Hashirama Uncontrollable

[Senju Bean]

He broke out of Edo Tensei without forming any seals, just like that, on a whim. He wasn't even trying. Even Madara had to form seals. Hashi just did a little bit of flexing of his mental/physical powers, and bam! he's free. Like Superman breaking out of handcuffs.

Now Edo Tensei's control is so strong, that Kabuto stated the only genjutsu that can break it is Koto, the most powerful one. Even Minato couldn't budge, an he's almost a god at this point.

If Hashi can break out of Edo so easily, then he should be able to break out of tech's with lesser control. This could mean that virtually all genjutsu and most likely even Tsukuyomi would not work against him.

Edo Tensei and Genjutsu both control, but the former is direct and the latter is indirect.


Edo Tensei should have much better control then most Genjutsu since the user brings them back to their specifications. Kinda like rebuilding a computer. You have much better control over a computer you rebuilt then a computer you are trying to hack from afar.That is because of direct access. Edo Tensei is the direct access and Genjutsu is the hack from afar.

Hashi broke out of the stronger one, the direct access, Edo Tensei. Surely he could break out of the weaker one, the hack from afar, Genjutsu.

 

[-ahhimane-]

It was because Hashirama's WOOD is stronger than Orochimaru's wood control.
That pretty much proves that Madara wasn't able to break through the ET control.

 

[juzumaki]

what i found weird about that madara breaking edo tensei was that when he did it it looked as if he was brought back to life again

 

[Senju Bean]

It was because Hashirama's WOOD is stronger than Orochimaru's wood control.
That pretty much proves that Madara wasn't able to break through the ET control.

It might be the wood. But he didn't even use Mokouton. It seemed like he just decided he didn't want to be controlled and his whim became reality. He's just that powerful. Perhaps that's why there's such a huge gap between Madara and Hashi at VOTE.

 

[Goddess Tsunade]

Orochimaru is using Hashi's cells, and because it's his cells, he broke out of Oro's control effortlessly

 

[Senju Bean]

what i found weird about that madara breaking edo tensei was that when he did it it looked as if he was brought back to life again

I think he might have planned the creation of Edo Tensei. Perhaps somehow affecting Tobirama with a tech like Koto, making him invent Edo Tensei as a backup plan in case Nagato failed to follow through. That would explain Madara's knowledge of the precise seals to break out of Edo Tensei.

 

[Senju Bean]

Orochimaru is using Hashi's cells, and because it's his cells, he broke out of Oro's control effortlessly

Then how did he defeat countless Uchiha, many of which were masters of Genjutsu?

 

[-ahhimane-]

It might be the wood. But he didn't even use Mokouton. It seemed like he just decided he didn't want to be controlled and his whim became reality. He's just that powerful. Perhaps that's why there's such a huge gap between Madara and Hashi at VOTE.

Yes and that gap hasn't even nullified

 

[Goddess Tsunade]

Then how did he defeat countless Uchiha, many of which were masters of Genjutsu?

he was born in the era of wars where they fought Uchiha almost everyday so he might have developed a way of countering genjutsus,, remember when Gai said that you can avoid being caught in a sharingan genjutsu by not looking in the eyes..

 

[Senju Bean]

Yes and that gap hasn't even nullified

Possibly, back then, Hashi defeated PS Madara and Kurama. 1/2 Kurama is already a powerhouse, taking out all the Bijuu like that. I don't think Rinnegan is going to make that much of a boost. At most, it will replace the power lost by not having Kurama as a summon.

 

[Meee]

Hashirama didn't break out of shit, he resisted Oro's control while he was focused on Tobirama, Madara released the contract entirely.

 

[Senju Bean]

he was born in the era of wars where they fought Uchiha almost everyday so he might have developed a way of countering genjutsus,, remember when Gai said that you can avoid being caught in a sharingan genjutsu by not looking in the eyes..

Everytime he fought with Madara, he looked him straight in the eyes. You can see this in the panels when they were fighting as kids to the panels when they fought as adults.

Besides, then why Edo Tensei?, why not Genjutsu. That's like Superman able to break through metal handcuffs but not lockpads. ET and Genjutsu are both different forms of the same thing. Control.

 

[- J AV -]

Hashi is god of shinobi

 

[Goddess Tsunade]

Everytime he fought with Madara, he looked him straight in the eyes. You can see this in the panels when they were fighting as kids to the panels when they fought as adults.

Besides, then why Edo Tensei?, why not Genjutsu. That's like Superman able to break through metal handcuffs but not lockpads. ET and Genjutsu are both different forms of the same thing. Control.

your questions are confusing

but you shouldn't doubt Hashi's abilities =D
he's the God of Shinobi after all..

 

[Senju Bean]

your questions are confusing

but you shouldn't doubt Hashi's abilities =D
he's the God of Shinobi after all..

Well, actually Edo Tensei should have much better control then most Genjutsu since the user brings them back to their specifications. It like rebuilding a computer. You have much better control over a computer you build then a computer you are trying to hack from afar.That is because of direct access. Edo Tensei is the direct access and Genjutsu is the hack from afar.

Hashi broke out of the stronger one, the direct access, Edo Tensei. Surely he could break out of the weaker one, the hack from afar, Genjutsu.

Hope this clears things up a little.

But yes, a man that can pin down 2nd stage Juubi with city sized tori, he is indeed the God of Shinobi.

 

[ex killer]

Well, actually Edo Tensei should have much better control then most Genjutsu since the user brings them back to their specifications. It like rebuilding a computer. You have much better control over a computer you build then a computer you are trying to hack from afar.That is because of direct access. Edo Tensei is the direct access and Genjutsu is the hack from afar.

Hashi broke out of the stronger one, the direct access, Edo Tensei. Surely he could break out of the weaker one, the hack from afar, Genjutsu.

Hope this clears things up a little.

But yes, a man that can pin down 2nd stage Juubi with city sized tori, he is indeed the God of Shinobi.

give that man a cookie he has the power to explain complex things to st**d people!!

 

[SKTupac]

You're missing the point. Kabuto/Itachi undid the edo tensei, Madara was going to disappear. He then used a seal to take the contract onto hisself, so he didn't form a seal to get in to control of himself, but to undo the undo
Hashirama however did just take control of himself with power. Orochimaru didn't undo the seal on him.

 

[Naijakid]

Nice thread buddy...waiting for the Maddy fans to show

 

[Senju Bean]

Nice thread buddy...waiting for the Maddy fans to show

I guess they realized the truth and couldn't come up with a counter argument.

 

[Senju Bean]

Thinking about it, maybe he might even be able to override Nagato's charkra rod tech. The only thing I'm slight unsure about is Koto.