mustafagrbz
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funny.do you want me to list all disasters caused by Madara here just because Hashirama didnt/couldnt kill him?
Hashirama the worst Hokage
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TrollingSage
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Would it match the countless lives Orochimaru has experimented on/ killed because Hiruzen let him go?
Unlike Orochimaru, Madara wasnt experimenting on people and killing people from his own village when Hashirama let him go.
mustafagrbz
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it wouldnt i guess but he directly/indirectly caused many times destruction of Konoha and now trying to put the world into genjutsu there is no competition there, at least now. who knows maybe orochimaru will do more evil things later
TrollingSage
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Well look I know you like Hiruzen but you cant compare him letting Oro go to Hashirama letting Madara go. As you said Madara is responsible for this war going on right now, but when he fought Hashirama, he hadnt directly attacked anyone from the village.
Oro on the other hand, had experimented with children from his own village and killed them, and showed no remorse for it either. Hiruzen should have locked him up at the very least.
He just believes dreams can come true; that's all... He wanted a vilage which exists within peace; for that ideals; he was willing to die. In Senju side, Tobirama was 100% right; in Uchiha side, Madara was 100% right as you said... But the point is; Hashirama did not have "sides"; and it is a part of his ideals, he wanted a place where the children do not have to kill each other and in that place; there would be no unecessary conflict between "sides". Him dying for his brother, peace and avoiding unnecessary conflict; was in his dreams and ideals; it is not just about building a certain place, it is also about idea of overall peace. That's why he wanted Madara as hokage, it was sign of friendship and trust and possible future peace. He is a human afterall, he can make mistakes, it is not like he wanted those mistakes to happen; in fact he avoided them as much as possible.
mustafagrbz
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I am not trying to justify Hiruzen s actions just trying to say Madara caused more harm than Ororchimaru which makes me believe that letting Orochimaru go is nothing compared to letting Madara go
Madara is the kid that everyone hates, even his own blood (Uchiha clan) and the fact he isn't trusted by nobody but the Hokage put him in a awkward position because he knows he won't be the 2nd even though he co-found the village and he was smart enough to realize Tobirama would soon grow tired of the Uchiha and mistreat (isolate) which would/did lead to their fate (death).. You can't blame Hashirama for acting on his feelings and not pseudo-justice, it's too unrealistic and like he said would cause even more problems for the two clans
TrollingSage
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I get your point, but Hashi gave Madara the benefit of the doubt. Now way could he have known what he was planning. Hiruzen on other hand had seen first hand how evil Oro had become. If situations were reversed, I seriously doubt Hashirama would have let Oro go. Not after seeing kill children from his precious village.I am not trying to justify Hiruzen s actions just trying to say Madara caused more harm than Ororchimaru which makes me believe that letting Orochimaru go is nothing compared to letting Madara go
mustafagrbz
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mustafagrbz
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Why? Of course i can blame Hashirama for acting on his feelings if he were an ordinary man you were right but he should have put aside his own feelings for the sake of peoples lives he was responsible for as a leader
Of course he would've let him go, Hiruzen just like hashirama were to kind, Even in their final fight hashirama still didn't wan't to kill madara.
Even after he left the village and talked about fighting with hashirama in the future, Unless hashirama thought madara was no threat to the village at all.
Hashirama didn't stop Madara from leaving, the same as Hiruzen failed to stop Oro.
If hashirama had listened to Tobirama in the first place, The shinobi world would've been safer, Many lives would've been saved from preventing the shinobi world war, The juubi wouldn't revived and so on.
Same if Hiruzen listened to Enma he would've saved lives from Oro's experiments and so on.
nomadenbug
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Hashirama is not really good for hokage, he is too kind, Madara is the same, he is actually kind but too emo, I think Tobirama is the most fit for hokage.
mustafagrbz
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Tobirama is better than the other 2 yes i agree.but when it comes to the best hokage i think it is Minato all of his actions were selfless just like what it is supposed to be as Hokage though even if Itachi didnt have the title he surely did more than all Hokages for the sake of Konoha
tobirama just had to kill him with his sword damn it, why couldn't he have done it, so what if hashirama gives him that look, i mean look if tobirama killed madara and hashirama killed tobirama then tobirama still would've been a hero because who's the one with the juubi now? that's right, madara is still fking with the ninja world
Founding Fire Shadow
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Setting any bias aside, that is a foolish judgement, Hashirama was only striving for peace & recognized the potential in Madara as an ally & had the wisdom to see through the bigotry of old hates unlike Tobirama, the fact that he was willing to sacrifice himself on a moments notice to achieve this is a testament to his resolve as Madara pointed out, regardless if sparing Madara at that moment was a mistake or not, Hashirama had the strength to protect the village from Madara in the near future & passed on the Will of Fire that guided shinobi from Hiruzen's era, to Itachi's, to Naruto's to ensure its protection in the distant future, he is the founder of the village, the very reason for the Leaf's existence, hardly is he the worst Hokage, if we had to choose a worst Hokage then by all means that title goes to Tsuande who not only is the weakest but also allowed the village to be destroyed which it still would be if it were not for Nagato's change of heart.shodaimeicon:
na minato is the best hokage. if itachi was a hokage he is also a bad hokage, he choose his brother before the village, while minato choose the village than his family and himselfTobirama is better than the other 2 yes i agree.but when it comes to the best hokage i think it is Minato all of his actions were selfless just like what it is supposed to be as Hokage though even if Itachi didnt have the title he surely did more than all Hokages for the sake of Konoha
Hashi's willingness to kill himself is what made the founding of the leaf possible.
naruttebayo
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a dream of peace can't be blamed .
u can say he is naive but saying that he is the worst is just wrong at many level .
a leader is one who can keep their people united .
if it has to be madara , no senju would agree , if it has to be tobirama , well u know what happened next .
hashi was the only choice which both admired . he was willing to sacrifice himself that's how i think a leader should act at the time of need
i wish that if only madara would have been a little cooperative , the things would have been different .
u can say he is naive but saying that he is the worst is just wrong at many level .
a leader is one who can keep their people united .
if it has to be madara , no senju would agree , if it has to be tobirama , well u know what happened next .
hashi was the only choice which both admired . he was willing to sacrifice himself that's how i think a leader should act at the time of need
i wish that if only madara would have been a little cooperative , the things would have been different .