[VS] Hashirama takes the Akatsuki challenge

[EliteKakashi]

No it doesn't. That's your assumption on what it means.
yes it does. Since the only way to surpass it is pushing past previous limits. As it clearly states.
stamina and chakra became one and the same due to Harogomo's story.

Stamina and chakra have always been one and the same(well, in the sense that stamina converts to chakra), haven't they?

I think Lee(or someone) explained it very early in part 1, then I know Shikamaru did in the Konoha Invasion arc:

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[BenjerminGaye]

Stamina and chakra have always been one and the same(well, in the sense that stamina converts to chakra), haven't they?

I think Lee(or someone) explained it very early in part 1, then I know Shikamaru did in the Konoha Invasion arc:

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that's what made it different. Stamina was physical energy. Chakra was gained by mixing it with spiritual energy.

Ebisu and Kakashi explain it.

But due to Harogomo's bs retcon it's one and the same now.

 

[EliteKakashi]

that's what made it different. Stamina was physical energy. Chakra was gained by mixing it with spiritual energy.

Ebisu and Kakashi explain it.

But due to Harogomo's bs retcon it's one and the same now.

Oh.

Well I barely paid any attention to anything Hagoromo said anyway.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Oh.

Well I barely paid any attention to anything Hagoromo said anyway.

Harogomo's story ruined the manga beyond repair. And what makes it worse is the fact that the story itself makes no sense.

The tree needs ppl's chakra to make the chakra fruit.
yet kaguya was the first one with chakra after eating said fruit.
Harogomo states that kaguya used i.t. on ppl yet i.t. can't be done without chakra. It's how genjutsu is maintained.
So if she Harogomo and hamura were the only ones with chakra at the time how/why is she putting ppl in I.T.? They Don't even have chakra yet I.T. (a genjutsu mind you) is effecting them. Genjutsu in itself can only work on those with chakra.
Then there's I.T. failing to work on edo's because. .. reasons?

 

[Bronze]

No it doesn't. That's your assumption on what it means.

No, it's a factual interpretation. But hey, if you think you had better meaning of the text, let's hear it...

yes it does. Since the only way to surpass it is pushing past previous limits. As it clearly states.

It was referring to the one removing the tag.

stamina and chakra became one and the same due to Harogomo's story.

Hagoromo's story explained that people, before Kaguya ate the forbidden fruit, fought without Chakra. So how could they sustain the energy to do that? Stamina. Stamina is how long you could last; Chakra is spiritual and physical energy. If you have problems grasping the meaning of both, read the manga or dictionary.

Stamina and chakra have always been one and the same(well, in the sense that stamina converts to chakra), haven't they?

I think Lee(or someone) explained it very early in part 1, then I know Shikamaru did in the Konoha Invasion arc:

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Not really. Your favourite character, Kakashi, blatantly differed them from each other:

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The fact he adds ''and'' makes both of them separated.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Not really. Your favourite character, Kakashi, blatantly differed them from each other:

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The fact he adds ''and'' makes both of them separated.

Well, yeah, this is pretty much what I said in my post. Stamina can/does convert in to chakra. They are two separate things.

 

[Bogard]

Well, yeah, this is pretty much what I said in my post. Stamina can/does convert in to chakra. They are two separate things.

This thread could be helpful:

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Although some links faded with time

 

[BenjerminGaye]

No, it's a factual interpretation. But hey, if you think you had better meaning of the text, let's hear it...

I already explained it. At this point I'm repeating myself.

It was referring to the one removing the tag.

no shit. In order to beat the clone you have to become stronger that what you were when you took the tag off. The clone cannot become stronger since his abilities are fixed.

Hagoromo's story explained that people, before Kaguya ate the forbidden fruit, fought without Chakra. So how could they sustain the energy to do that? Stamina. Stamina is how long you could last; Chakra is spiritual and physical energy. If you have problems grasping the meaning of both, read the manga or dictionary.

and then after they get chakra stamina and chakra are 1. Herp. Derp.

Not really. Your favourite character, Kakashi, blatantly differed them from each other:

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The fact he adds ''and'' makes both of them separated.

told before retcon. Holds no ground.

 

[Bronze]

I already explained it. At this point I'm repeating myself.

You didn't explain anything.

no shit. In order to beat the clone you have to become stronger that what you were when you took the tag off. The clone cannot become stronger since his abilities are fixed.

Despite the previous sentence saying, the clone has an exact weapons, battle experience, abilities etc to the original.

and then after they get chakra stamina and chakra are 1. Herp. Derp.

Nope. Chakra and stamina have always been separate things, but both had relations.

told before retcon. Holds no ground.

What recton?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You didn't explain anything.

Yes I did.

It's stamina is fixed meaning it won't go down. It won't tire like regular fighters do. But that also means it can't go up. Which is how team guy got pass them.
SM is a multiplier but since stamina is fixed it won't go up even if it somehow went into sm.

Page 2.

Despite the previous sentence saying, the clone has an exact weapons, battle experience, abilities etc to the original.

and nowhere in there does it say the clone can become stronger. Hence why you becoming stronger overpowers the clone. Like really tho, how the fck do you think team guy got past it? Luck?

Nope. Chakra and stamina have always been separate things, but both had relations.

Nope.
Here kakashi states you turn your energies into chakra:

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Here Ebisu explains it:

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Both are incoorect since you're born with chakra and handseals/concentrating isn't necessary to create it.

This is my last reply since I've been repeating myself for a page now. If you're still confused... well just read it again.

What recton?

Harogomo's.

 

[Bronze]

Yes I did.
Page 2.

But that's your assumption, though.

and nowhere in there does it say the clone can become stronger. Hence why you becoming stronger overpowers the clone. Like really tho, how the fck do you think team guy got past it? Luck?

Stupid, clones don't get stronger than their original counterpart, when they have equivalent abilities to them.

Nope.
Here kakashi states you turn your energies into chakra:



Here Ebisu explains it:



Both are incoorect since you're born with chakra and handseals/concentrating isn't necessary to create it.

And where does it say stamina is same as Chakra?

This is my last reply since I've been repeating myself for a page now. If you're still confused... well just read it again.

Bye then.

Harogomo's.

When?

 

[FemmeFatale]

Grandpa solo, takes them all.
some wont even require too much chakra

 

[Conspirator.]

Hashirama wins every scenario.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

But that's your assumption, though

no its not.

Stupid, clones don't get stronger than their original counterpart, when they have equivalent abilities to them.

you're still not getting it.

And where does it say stamina is same as Chakra?

it doesn't. It says stamina is turned into chakra. But based on what Harogomo says. That's not the case.

Bye then.



When?

read it for yourself.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Cool idea for a matchup. Very original.

Hashirama flattens the Akatsuki clones with speed alone. His double is at a fixed level, Sage mode will overwhelm him. Fighting the low ranked akatsuki irl will be the same as before; bringer of darkness disorientates them whilst he busts them up one by one. Hashirama's wood tanks Konan's bombs. Six paths of pain get crushed by gates. Nagato and MS Obito are the biggest challenge, but Mokuton bushin, mokuton dragon, flower tree world and sage mode win the day.

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

Hashirama clears

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Cool idea for a matchup. Very original.

Hashirama flattens the Akatsuki clones with speed alone. His double is at a fixed level, Sage mode will overwhelm him. Fighting the low ranked akatsuki irl will be the same as before; bringer of darkness disorientates them whilst he busts them up one by one. Hashirama's wood tanks Konan's bombs. Six paths of pain get crushed by gates. Nagato and MS Obito are the biggest challenge, but Mokuton bushin, mokuton dragon, flower tree world and sage mode win the day.

Two sage mode's in 1 day? Take note that he gets no rest between matches.