[VS] Hashirama takes the Akatsuki challenge

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The counter is..not getting hit, or blocking it. Totsuka can't cut through everything nor can Yata block everything. Hyperbole is not fact. Then there's the fact that he doesn't need to destroy Itachi's Susanoo to beat him. Mokuryu absorbs chakra. Jukai Kotan grabs him from under and removes him from Susanoo just how Gaara did it. Then there is the fact that he can't maintain Susanoo for long anyway.

I honestly don't feel up to looking up scans to prove or disprove any points(and for all I know I am wrong on this, so don't take it the wrong way/as me saying I definitely would prove you wrong), especially seeing as I pretty much skimmed over Madara's use of mokuton in the 5 Kages arc, and it's been a long time since I've read Deidara/Sasuke, and you're clearly far more knowledgeable than I in regards to most of these characters, but I wanted to cover this quote here.

Totsuka was stated to be a blade that has no actual physical form:

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So I'm not sure how you interpret what can and can't stop it. It sliced through the Hydra/snake heads with no difficulty at all. I don't know how tough those snake heads are supposed to be. I dunno how tough they are in relation to mokuton.

And yata is supposed to defend against every attack:

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I would assume this means it forms a 360 degree defense, otherwise it couldn't defend from every attack.

I understand hyperbole, but this hyperbole was at least given some feats to help back it up. Whether it's sufficient feats to claim it can defeat whatever Hashirama throws at it, I dunno, and I'm not the one best suited to debate that either way.
 

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lol at Kakuzu's attacks being weaker then C2

Hidan solos U_U
 

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lol at Kakuzu's attacks being weaker then C2

Hidan solos U_U

Lol, I really hope that you don't think that Kakuzu's attacks are stronger than C2. His Raiton was matched by Raikiri. His Fuuton was tanked by Hidan. Lol, I hope I don't have to continue.

I honestly don't feel up to looking up scans to prove or disprove any points(and for all I know I am wrong on this, so don't take it the wrong way/as me saying I definitely would prove you wrong), especially seeing as I pretty much skimmed over Madara's use of mokuton in the 5 Kages arc, and it's been a long time since I've read Deidara/Sasuke, and you're clearly far more knowledgeable than I in regards to most of these characters, but I wanted to cover this quote here.

Totsuka was stated to be a blade that has no actual physical form:

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No real physical form means that it doesn't have a set physical form, doesn't change the fact the object is a physical sword, as seen when he used it to slice Oro's Hydra apart.

So I'm not sure how you interpret what can and can't stop it. It sliced through the Hydra/snake heads with no difficulty at all. I don't know how tough those snake heads are supposed to be. I dunno how tough they are in relation to mokuton.
I'm going to go with the Mokuton that tangles with Bijuu. Lol.

And yata is supposed to defend against every attack:

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I would assume this means it forms a 360 degree defense, otherwise it couldn't defend from every attack.

I understand hyperbole, but this hyperbole was at least given some feats to help back it up. Whether it's sufficient feats to claim it can defeat whatever Hashirama throws at it, I dunno, and I'm not the one best suited to debate that either way.

No. It's actual abilities were given feats to back it up. Hyperbole is never, nor can it ever be backed up, because blocking one thing doesn't mean you can block everything, especially things much stronger,
 

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Does Hashirama regenerate his Chakra after each gauntlet? If not, he loses straight at scenario 2. Simple reasoning being he cannot bypass a clone with equivalent Chakra and techniques as he does, leading to his loss of exhaustion. Even if we were to assume he passes the scenario (which he doesn't), he loses the next one due to using most of his Chakra. And by the time he gets to scenario 6, either Nagato or Obito solo him.

Nagato an extraordinarily powerful shinobi. Hyped as invincible and unbeatable by the likes of Obito, Konan and Fukasaku. A man who was even able to take down Hanzo with such ease. He is second strongest edo summoning by Kabuto and the 3rd 6 paths. His hype allows him to be able to compete with even the god of shinobi, Hashirama Senju.

Knowing Hashirama's fighting style, it is unlikely that he will start out with SM and this is proven when he faced EMS Madara and 100% kyuubi for a very long hours. So with that being said, he is going to start using SM when Nagato pushes him to his base limits.

Why Hashirama's mokuton will be useless to Nagato? because Mokuton itself is nature transformation created from the combination of suiton and doton [ ]. Hashirama's chakra will still run through his mokuton allowing him to manipulate them. Preta path will absorb the chakra infused with that wood since preta path absorbs infinite amount of chakra [ ]. This will render most of Hashirama techniques useless.

-Mokuton jikai kutan can be destroyed by the rockets of asura path that has shown comparable fire-power to that of multiple giant rasengan [ ][ ].
-Flower tree world is huge threat because of its pollen, but Nagato's bird or his flight ability will allow him to get out of range.
-Mokuton mokujin maybe a great defence but it has no fire power threat. It will be destroyed by Gedo Mazo once its summoned by using these [ ][ ]. Gedo Mazo fire power is comprabale to kyuubi's TBB that even destroyed Mokujin [ ].

I will also use the fact Nagato can summon his animals to the battlefield and the dogs will be very threatening because they will keep dividing. If Hashirama decides to throw the gates, then that means he will just stand and focus on restraining them as result, Nagato will finish him off.

If Shinsuusenju comes out, then Nagato can destroy with his largest scale of shinra tensie or chibaku tensie. Shinra tensie that was used on konoha did not have half of Nagato's chakra because Nagato is only supplying deva path with 1/6 of his chakra. If that much was even able to take down konoha then one from 6/6 Nagato will with no doubts take down the Shinsuusenju. Chibaku tensie is always depended on how much chakra is concentrated on. It was even powerful enough to trap the juubi whos size is comparable to the shinsuuenju. So if this CT from sick,old,tired Nagato was this size [ ], then one from healthy, prime and full Nagato would dwarf the Shinsuusenju making it impossible to destroy its ord due to the amount of rocks protecting it.

Obito solos him because Kamui intangibility renders his arsenal all useless, and once he touches him, it's over. No Intel on Kamui, no reflex and sensory to intercept the Jutsu. It is just too op for him, even if he is God of Shinobi.
 

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Does Hashirama regenerate his Chakra after each gauntlet? If not, he loses straight at scenario 2. Simple reasoning being he cannot bypass a clone with equivalent Chakra and techniques as he does, leading to his loss of exhaustion. Even if we were to assume he passes the scenario (which he doesn't), he loses the next one due to using most of his Chakra. And by the time he gets to scenario 6, either Nagato or Obito solo him.


Obito solos him because Kamui intangibility renders his arsenal all useless, and once he touches him, it's over. No Intel on Kamui, no reflex and sensory to intercept the Jutsu. It is just too op for him, even if he is God of Shinobi.

He gets past 2 via sm
 
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Kakuzu fought the 1st hokage and lived so he has some experience with him.
If Itachi can put him under genjutsu it's over.
The only factors in scenario 5 are Kisame,Itachi,Sasori and Kakuzu.
They may overpowered him duo the number advanteges, but honestly, Hashirama is really power, especially in sage mode.
Team 6 loses low diff dup SS.
 

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Not when his clone opponent can also use it.

I don't think the clone can use sm, least to the extent hashirama can use it. And given the fact that their chakra is fixed while sm acts as a multiplier sm wouldn't help the clone.
 

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I don't think the clone can use sm, least to the extent hashirama can use it. And given the fact that their chakra is fixed while sm acts as a multiplier sm wouldn't help the clone.

It's a clone: An exact, complete copy of the original from DNA to Chakra. Anything original can do, clone does.
 

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It's a clone: An exact, complete copy of the original from DNA to Chakra. Anything original can do, clone does.

It says that the clone has a fixed chakra limit. So if it's opponent goes above said limit(sm) it cannot.
 

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BenjerminGaye, why are you arguing with Madara Rules?

Considering Team Gai was able to overpower their clones, all Hashirama has to do is activate SM to overpower it. Honestly, SM isnt even neccesary, Hashirama can beat it the same way Team Gai did in canon
 

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BenjerminGaye, why are you arguing with Madara Rules?

Considering Team Gai was able to overpower their clones, all Hashirama has to do is activate SM to overpower it. Honestly, SM isnt even neccesary, Hashirama can beat it the same way Team Gai did in canon

Bronze is madara rules?
Lmfao i didn't know.
 

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Where did it say this?

A secondary trap is laid under the Five-Seal Barrier. This technique is automatically started when the "forbidden" tags are removed. An exact copy of the person who removed the tag appears with their appearance, weapons, battle skills, and so on. Because the double has a fixed amount of stamina and doesn't feel exhaustion, it has an advantage in a drawn-out battle. In order to cancel this technique and defeat their copy, the one who removed the tag has no choice but to somehow push past the previous limits that they had at the time they removed the tag.

It's in the bold.
 

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It's in the bold.

It's contradicting itself.

''Because the double has a fixed amount of stamina'' and ''doesn't feel exhaustion''. How does this make any sense? If you don't have stamina or you run out, you're at the state of exhaustion or potentially death.

Not to mention I gave out the possibility of passing scenario 2.
 

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It's contradicting itself.

''Because the double has a fixed amount of stamina'' and ''doesn't feel exhaustion''. How does this make any sense? If you don't have stamina or you run out, you're at the state of exhaustion or potentially death.

Not to mention I gave out the possibility of passing scenario 2.

No it's not. It's stamina is fixed meaning it won't go down. It won't tire like regular fighters do. But that also means it can't go up. Which is how team guy got pass them.
SM is a multiplier but since stamina is fixed it won't go up even if it somehow went into sm.
 

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No it's not. It's stamina is fixed meaning it won't go down. It won't tire like regular fighters do. But that also means it can't go up. Which is how team guy got pass them.
SM is a multiplier but since stamina is fixed it won't go up even if it somehow went into sm.

It means the stamina is fixed within the base form. It doesn't suggest that is unable to go further form. And also, that's stamina, not Chakra.
 

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It means the stamina is fixed within the base form.
No it doesn't. That's your assumption on what it means.
It doesn't suggest that is unable to go further form.
yes it does. Since the only way to surpass it is pushing past previous limits. As it clearly states.
And also, that's stamina, not Chakra.
stamina and chakra became one and the same due to Harogomo's story.
 
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