Hashirama Senju VS 3rd Raikage

[Unbiased King]

@Unbiased King,


One loses the battle if he's not able to fight anymore, the death itself is not the only way to win a fight, taken Tsukuyomi as an example, which let you fall in coma after enduring its effects. Once the third Raikage inhaled the pollen, he's left paralyzed or asleep without being able to move. Hashirama could simply crush him with a single Mokuton technique, if he's lying on the ground without protecting himself.

But once again, his LRA is superior to any offense Hashi has, he can crush him with a massive trunk or something of the like, but he'd still be intact. Also, from your perspective I can say that Gaara > Kimmimaru being that if Kimmimaru stayed in Oro's lair and rested, he wouldn't have exerted himself in combat and shortened his already cut life span.
Or, Hiruzen>Oro + Hashi + Tobirama because he sealed his arms and thus he was not able to continue combat, in addition to sealing the others' souls.

I just wanted to clarify, that Hashirama has a great stamina, too. Everyone's seeking for a part of his power, he created a village, he created a valley in a fight with Madara.

Absolutely. But I'm not certain of the point you're trying to make. Are you trying to prove Hashi is god-like? I'm not disagreeing. I'm just asking what his great DNA will do for him against the 3rd.

You should remember, that Naruto used his sensory ability, in order to go with the third's moves and push his hell stab into his own chest; the ability to sense the opponents techniques is just another benefit.

Sorta. When Naruto is in Sage Mode, he senses danger, not chakra. Sensory types sense chakra. You cannot expect one who sense chakra to perform in the same capacity as one who senses danger.

ABC logic indeed works,

ABC logic does not work, unless you agree that Rock Lee>Deidara being that he beat Sasuke or that Sasori=Kankuro, being that they beat each other so their scoreboard is Win:1 Lose:1.

as both the Bijus, Raikages and perfect Susanoos concept is based on destructive power,

OH, so you mean in the context of POWER ABC Logic works? Well I'd imagine that more power>less power. If this were DragonBallZ that literally involved farting power against opponents with little variation of technique, I'd completely agree. But no, this is Naruto, where techniques and their abilities are endless and nearly immeasurable.

and the perfect Susanoo is by far superior to the other Biju, except of Kurama.

Why do you say this? Do you have a manga page to support this claim?

Madara most likely referred to a single slash when comparing it with the Biju itself. This Susanoo is not only huger, it doesn't feel pain

Source?

and can rebuild damaged parts of its body. The Akatsuki pairings have caught most of the Jinchuriki, though latter were pretty much good Jinchurikis, Kakuzu and Hidan even faced the full two tails. Madaras Susanoo however was going to crush the five Kage with a single stroke, it would easily destroy the most Biju.

Sure, it's powerful, but nowhere is it compared to the power of an actual tailed beast, unless you can prove otherwise.[/quote]

If Hashirama beat such a monstrosity, he will beat a human, too.

If the 3rd pounded the Hachibi and went against 10,000 troops, he can beat one human, too.

We can't make this an argument based on Feats only. :l

 

[OnPoint]

Sandaime doesn't have an answer to Kajukai Kōrin or the pollen it produces. Similarly, he's going to have difficulties getting past Moku Bunshins which can't be seen through without the ocular powers of the Eternal Mangekyō and Hashirama's Bringer-of-Darkness Genjutsu, which will render him completely blind. If the third is put to sleep, how easy will it be for Shodai to suppress his chakra with the Wood Style? Too easy. Now, Sandaime Raikage is an incredibly durable shinobi, but with his Raiton no Yoroi gone (coupled with being completely knocked out), i'm sure the 1st will be able to crush, for instance, his head with thick Mokuton tendrils [

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[Strict]

POWER[/B] ABC Logic works? Well I'd imagine that more power>less power. If this were DragonBallZ that literally involved farting power against opponents with little variation of technique, I'd completely agree. But no, this is Naruto, where techniques and their abilities are endless and nearly immeasurable.

We talk about mere destructive forces, whose concept is compared to Dragonball, both Susanoo and the Bijuu aren't do anything but destroying targets with sheer power. Madaras words can be interpreted differently, I think it's just logical. The Bijus strongest attack destroys one mountain, maybe, Kishimoto implied, that the perfect Susanoo is even stronger, when it cut not only one but two mountains and not only this. The slash of Susanoos sword crushed the meteorite in pieces, caused a shock wave which devastated the landscape by travelling towards a distant mountain range, cut two mountains and continued to travel.

Sandaime is completely overwhelmed by the pollen, the bringer of darkness and the Mokuton bunshin. I'm not even going to mention the rest of Hashiramas power.

 

[TobisPawn]

In no scenario does he get stomped. A draw at best. Feats AND hype.

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Raikage gets utterly stomped. Hashirama shoots out a flower world and it's over.

You're telling me Raikage's feats match Hashirama? Raikage couldn't defeat the second strongest Bijuu, while Hashirama beat both Madara and the strongest one. You're telling me Raikage's hype matches Hashirama's? Hashirama was so strong people refused to believe his strength too strong to be true. Madara says the man can change landscapes just like PS can, and you're telling me that at best he's forcing a draw with Raikage?

Oh, NB...the only place where you'll find someone claim that 3rd Raikage = Hashirma

 

[Unbiased King]

:rofl:rofl:

Raikage gets utterly stomped. Hashirama shoots out a flower world and it's over.

You're telling me Raikage's feats match Hashirama? Raikage couldn't defeat the second strongest Bijuu, while Hashirama beat both Madara and the strongest one. You're telling me Raikage's hype matches Hashirama's? Hashirama was so strong people refused to believe his strength too strong to be true. Madara says the man can change landscapes just like PS can, and you're telling me that at best he's forcing a draw with Raikage?

Oh, NB...the only place where you'll find someone claim that 3rd Raikage = Hashirma

Now I'm not one to get butthurt, but I kinda am by the tone of your post. So I'll voice why I thought so, or better yet you can sniff around my thread and save me 5mins worth of typing/brain power.

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But until recently has my opinion changed when someone gave proof of Mokuton suppressing chakra of a regular shinobi. If it weren't for that, I would have maintained my view as my arguments (aside from the Wood Dragon) were factually irrefutable.

 

[BigBlade Master]

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