Hashirama probably has all 5 elements

[Sennin of Logic]

Alright, everyone knows how Hiruzen can use all 5 elements, which is awesome. However, there's something that everyone's overlooking. It's the fact that spiral Zetsu can use all 5 elements through wood style.

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Now, Zetsu is made from Hashirama's cells. Therefore, he cannot have access to abilities that Hashirama couldn't posses. This implies that Hashirama himself has all 5 elements. He probably can use them through wood stye like Zetsu. This would actually support my theory that wood style is actually an imitation of the God tree as it produces all chakra and the users of it get all 5 elements.(black orbs, and no, contrary to popular belief, it is not yin-yang related) So in the same way, someone could use wood style to produce various natures in chakra.


Your thoughts?

 

[Joker]

I don't think so. If he did, he would've showcased them in his battle against Madara, considering he was the only one at that time who could even look at Madara without being a complete and utter peasant.

 

[Ahmed1993]

Until proven by the manga , he don't U_U

 

[Umari Senju]

True and I also just found a plothole thanks to your post as well. Remember how a while back it was stated that only the possessor of the Rinnegan can use all 5 elements? Yet now we see Hiruzen, and sprial Zetsu use all 5. Honestly Madara should be the only one capable of using all 5 elements at present.

 

[itachi4real]

I don't think so. If he did, he would've showcased them in his battle against Madara, considering he was the only one at that time who could even look at Madara without being a complete and utter peasant.

When? What fight are talking about. We have never seen the whole fight between madara and hashirama

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I don't think so. If he did, he would've showcased them in his battle against Madara, considering he was the only one at that time who could even look at Madara without being a complete and utter peasant.

That's all fine and well, but there's a problem with that. Almost no abilities of Hashirama's were showcased against Madara.

Until proven by the manga , he don't U_U

That's no fun.

 

[Bronze]

You're not factoring the real creation of Zetsu.

Zetsu is not just a clone of Hashirama. He also contains Gedo Mazo and Madara inside of him. They are experiments and a failure in fact. All of the Zetsu are creation of Madara's In'Youton, implanted with his will, Hashirama's enhanced cells from Gedo Mazo's powers. They maybe lower than Hashirama's cells in quality, but their bodies are stronger and better than his. To also add on, Madara was shown to be able to communicate telepathically with his Zetsu implying that Madara's powers is divided with Zetsu since they are his In'Youton.

The mini-Shinsuusenju in fact looks different if you look at the 5 heads. If Zetsu are creation of Madara' In'Youton, then the Rinnegan's element mastery can very well be transmitted to them.

Hashirama doesn't have 5 elements unless its shown or stated.

 

[Joker]

When? What fight are talking about. We have never seen the whole fight between madara and hashirama

We've seen enough to know all Hashirama used was Moukton and Gojuu Rashomon.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

It's a bit disgusting how everytime someone who's considered weaker than Hashi does something great people start making theories of "Hashi can also do it" lol... U_U

 

[Sennin of Logic]

You're not factoring the real creation of Zetsu.

Zetsu is not just a clone of Hashirama. He also contains Gedo Mazo and Madara inside of him. They are experiments and a failure in fact. All of the Zetsu are creation of Madara's In'Youton, implanted with his will, Hashirama's enhanced cells from Gedo Mazo's powers. They maybe lower than Hashirama's cells in quality, but their bodies are stronger and better than his. To also add on, Madara was shown to be able to communicate telepathically with his Zetsu implying that Madara's powers is divided with Zetsu since they are his In'Youton.

The mini-Shinsuusenju in fact looks different if you look at the 5 heads. If Zetsu are creation of Madara' In'Youton, then the Rinnegan's element mastery can very well be transmitted to them.

Hashirama doesn't have 5 elements unless its shown or stated.

That's not what Madara indicated.

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It's a bit disgusting how everytime someone who's considered weaker than Hashi does something great people start making theories of "Hashi can also do it" lol... U_U

Sigh. Don't generalize me with Hashi wankers. I see a wood style technique coming from a clone of Hashirama. So naturally, since all the wood-related techniques Madara and Zetsu have used so far are copies of Hashirama, I'm going to assume that the one they generally copy can do the same. I could care less about fandom.

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

Where the freak did spiral array come from anyway did I miss when he entered the war anyone

 

[SanjiNL]

True and I also just found a plothole thanks to your post as well. Remember how a while back it was stated that only the possessor of the Rinnegan can use all 5 elements? Yet now we see Hiruzen, and sprial Zetsu use all 5. Honestly Madara should be the only one capable of using all 5 elements at present.

*facepalm*

Not a plothole. Not even going to bother explaining. I'm tired of explaining everything to NB.

 

[itachi4real]

We've seen enough to know all Hashirama used was Moukton and Gojuu Rashomon.

Seriously? U have only seen 4 or 5 of his mokuton jutsus. Im sure he needed more than 4 or 5 jutsu to beat madara. My point is u dont know what hashi's full arsenal or u dont know what hes fully capable of cus we have never seen that much of him

 

[Ababeel]

It's a bit disgusting how everytime someone who's considered weaker than Hashi does something great people start making theories of "Hashi can also do it" lol... U_U

I agree with this gentlemen. U_U

 

[Bronze]

That's not what Madara indicated.

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Yes he indicated:

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He claims the beings he created were created through In'Youton which translates into Yin Yang.

 

[Ahmed1993]

That's no fun.

Sorry but i already f*cking hate the dude , he's OP for no f*cking reason , heck he's so OP that he's on the same level as Edo Madara who has Rinnegan and Mokuton.
He's the one who made me lose concern and enjoyment for this series , i'm just watching it to see how it ends nothing more nothing less.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Where the freak did spiral array come from anyway did I miss when he entered the war anyone

He didn't enter. Kishi just realized "Oh, crap, I need an excuse for the other shinobi to not fight Madara!" This unorganized entry is proof that he didn't plan on using Spiral Zetsu at first.

Yes he indicated:

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He claims the beings he created were created through In'Youton which translates into Yin Yang.

I stand corrected, but just because the creation process is yin-yang doesn't mean he added any other element into Zetsus in general. For instance, the only thing he mentioned he added was his will. He did not indicate that he altered the Zetsus' bodies.

 

[omarsen]

haha I see Hashirama fans are jelly because Hiruzen surpassed Hashirama in every aspect.

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[Joker]

He didn't enter. Kishi just realized "Oh, crap, I need an excuse for the other shinobi to not fight Madara!" This unorganized entry is proof that he didn't plan on using Spiral Zetsu at first.





I stand corrected, but just because the creation process is yin-yang doesn't mean he added any other element into Zetsus in general. For instance, the only thing he mentioned he added was his will. He did not indicate that he altered the Zetsus' bodies.

I see your point, but that doesn't mean Hashirama had these chakra natures. Chakra natures can be learned, so it's not far-fetched to say that SZ learned these on his own, including since he had twenty years to do so.

 

[Umari Senju]

*facepalm*

Not a plothole. Not even going to bother explaining. I'm tired of explaining everything to NB.

Well if I am wrong then I am wrong. Why don't you enlighten this uninlightened one instead of acting like an a**