Hashirama not having sealing techs.

[obito uchiha the wraith]

This makes absolutely no sense at all! He even has a scroll called the scroll of SEALING!

 

[itachi4real]

He prolly doesnt know any sealing tech that seals edos...hell i dont f***in know

 

[xxSAGExx]

Could be that he couldn't use sealing jutsus while using the gates to hold Madara, he did like tired in that one panel with what looks like chakra rods in his back.

 

[KingHashirama]

Highly false, you can notice that he got more tired out during this chapter.

When he was not as tired (only one pant) he said he would seal him:

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He is more tired here now (multiple pants), he says they will now have to wait for the sealing squad:

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So he does have sealing jutsus. But something else is the matter with him, something probably relating to the black rods.

 

[Ababeel]

I did not see this surprising honestly. Zzz

 

[LitzSabr]

Yes, He has but he didn't have it this time on his back. Also he did said about sealing madara himself as posted above

 

[RikudouMadara]

Highly false, you can notice that he got more tired out during this chapter.

When he was not as tired (only one pant) he said he would seal him:

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He is more tired here now (multiple pants), he says they will now have to wait for the sealing squad:

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So he does have sealing jutsus. But something else is the matter with him, something probably relating to the black rods.

Well....actually the *********** portrays otherwise.

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I believe this....Hashirama says he was waiting for a ninja capable of sealing him, I believe because Hashirama was exhausted, and using everything he had to restrain Madara he wasn't capable at the time. It's never said he can't, or he doesn't know how to perform sealing techs. Just atm his condition is impeding him.

For example I can play a few symphonys of Mozarts, but if my hands are broken at the moment I cannot play. I'm highly capable, but because of the condition of my hands I cannot. Or if there is no piano around at the time. My opinion, but I believe Hashirama does have sealing techs.

 

[ajpn920]

Highly false, you can notice that he got more tired out during this chapter.

When he was not as tired (only one pant) he said he would seal him:

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He is more tired here now (multiple pants), he says they will now have to wait for the sealing squad:

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So he does have sealing jutsus. But something else is the matter with him, something probably relating to the black rods.

LOL. Hashi was waiting for an opening to seal Madara. When the opportunity comes, the truth unfolds that he can't seal (what a joke). Perhaps what he really mean was to immobilize Madara and not seal him.

 

[KingHashirama]

LOL. Hashi was waiting for an opening to seal Madara. When the opportunity comes, the truth unfolds that he can't seal (what a joke). Perhaps what he really mean was to immobilize Madara and not seal him.

The question was him having seals or not.. atleast read the OP before making yourself look like a random troll..... And reread again, Naruto's rasenshuriken did not provide the opening needed.

He had already immobilized Madara before.. so no he didn't mean immobilizing.. he meant sealing....

Well....actually the *********** portrays otherwise.

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I believe this....Hashirama says he was waiting for a ninja capable of sealing him, I believe because Hashirama was exhausted, and using everything he had to restrain Madara he wasn't capable at the time. It's never said he can't, or he doesn't know how to perform sealing techs. Just atm his condition is impeding him.

For example I can play a few symphonys of Mozarts, but if my hands are broken at the moment I cannot play. I'm highly capable, but because of the condition of my hands I cannot. Or if there is no piano around at the time. My opinion, but I believe Hashirama does have sealing techs.

The "we" would be him and Naruto, only 2 facing Madara and working together.

Notice he later changed it to "our only choice (now) is to wait for a shinobi capable of sealing him". Notice the context changed. If the 'WE' was referred to the alliance also, he wouldn't have had to specifically say what he said in the second panel. So the "we" in the first panel is referring to the 2 people were working together to seal Madara, Mangapanda translation just shows out of those 2 who was going to do the sealing..

So in context both of the scans are the same, just worded differently.

 

[Bogard]

Highly false, you can notice that he got more tired out during this chapter.

When he was not as tired (only one pant) he said he would seal him:

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He is more tired here now (multiple pants), he says they will now have to wait for the sealing squad:

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So he does have sealing jutsus. But something else is the matter with him, something probably relating to the black rods.

He was talking about the blocking seal of his gates, not a sealing jutsu capable to seal spirits(notice what Tobirama says) [

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]. The gates have blocking seals on them. He wanted to take the opening to use them and immobilise Madara, then probably wait for a sealing spirit jutsu user

 

[ajpn920]

The question was him having seals or not.. atleast read the OP before making yourself look like a random troll..... And reread again, Naruto's rasenshuriken did not provide the opening needed.

He had already immobilized Madara before.. so no he didn't mean immobilizing.. he meant sealing....

Read again boy. The mangareader version. I don't troll like you.

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*********** clears this. Hashi can't seal.

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[RikudouMadara]

The question was him having seals or not.. atleast read the OP before making yourself look like a random troll..... And reread again, Naruto's rasenshuriken did not provide the opening needed.

He had already immobilized Madara before.. so no he didn't mean immobilizing.. he meant sealing....



The "we" would be him and Naruto, only 2 facing Madara and working together.

Notice he later changed it to "our only choice (now) is to wait for a shinobi capable of sealing him". Notice the context changed. If the 'WE' was referred to the alliance also, he wouldn't have had to specifically say what he said in the second panel. So the "we" in the first panel is referring to the 2 people were working together to seal Madara, Mangapanda translation just shows out of those 2 who was going to do the sealing..

So in context both of the scans are the same, just worded differently.

It could be seen that way....it could also be seen as Hashirama generalizing the situation. Meaning WE everyone considered an opposition to Madara seal him. This could also be reinforced by him saying to him self that OUR (as in everyone) only choice is to wait for a ninja capable of sealing him.

Also....if he was speaking of Naruto and himself only.....why would Naruto rely on Sai for the sealing? If Hashirama meant only those two, he wouldn't have to say our only choice is to wait, because Naruto could have performed it, correct? What I'm asking is why would he refer to himself and Naruto, then refer to someone else, if he had intended for he or Naruto to perform the sealing? Of course you know King I mean no disrespect.

I'm saying is, that I believe both times Hashirama was speaking in general, as in everyone in both scans.

 

[ajpn920]

It could be seen that way....it could also be seen as Hashirama generalizing the situation. Meaning WE everyone considered an opposition to Madara seal him. This could also be reinforced by him saying to him self that OUR (as in everyone) only choice is to wait for a ninja capable of sealing him.

Also....if he was speaking of Naruto and himself only.....why would Naruto rely on Sai for the sealing? If Hashirama meant only those two, he wouldn't have to say our only choice is to wait, because Naruto could have performed it, correct? What I'm asking is why would he refer to himself and Naruto, then refer to someone else, if he had intended for he or Naruto to perform the sealing? Of course you know King I mean no disrespect.

I'm saying is, that I believe both times Hashirama was speaking in general, as in everyone in both scans.

That "WE" refers to all. SA included. Only KingHashirama would deny this. He can't accept that someone like Hashi can't seal. This is the same guy that said Hashi is part of the earth because he can do wood clone and having wood element. Wood is part of the earth. We can't take this guy seriously..lol

 

[RikudouMadara]

That "WE" refers to all. SA included. Only KingHashirama would deny this. He can't accept that someone like Hashi can't seal. This is the same guy that said Hashi is part of the earth because he can do wood clone and having wood element. Wood is part of the earth. We can't take this guy seriously..lol

Well....no disrespect to you in any way. King is a good friend of mine, and I very much respect him and take him very seriously. I believe Hashirama has sealing techs as well....I believe his condition of being weakened kept him from performing it.

I believe all of his last strength was put to keeping Madara bound. Also he was on one knee, so I believe he does but his condition stopped him. As I said earlier....I can play plenty of pieces on the piano....and I'm highly capable, but if I were to have broken hands at the time.... then I cannot at that time, although I'm highly capable.

Just my opinion.....also I feel King has the right to express himself just like you, or anyone. No disrespect to you, or anyone. :yayy:

 

[KingHashirama]

It could be seen that way....it could also be seen as Hashirama generalizing the situation. Meaning WE everyone considered an opposition to Madara seal him. This could also be reinforced by him saying to him self that OUR (as in everyone) only choice is to wait for a ninja capable of sealing him.

Also....if he was speaking of Naruto and himself only.....why would Naruto rely on Sai for the sealing? If Hashirama meant only those two, he wouldn't have to say our only choice is to wait, because Naruto could have performed it, correct? What I'm asking is why would he refer to himself and Naruto, then refer to someone else, if he had intended for he or Naruto to perform the sealing? Of course you know King I mean no disrespect.

I'm saying is, that I believe both times Hashirama was speaking in general, as in everyone in both scans.

Then it is out of the context of which Mangapanda puts it in. So with that you are making it a whole new translation. You have to look for the thing contributed by both translations, not just pick one. Because in the Mangapanda one he later on also uses "WE" when referring to him and Naruto.. sooo.

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So that is why i'm saying the "we" Hashirama refers to in the *********** version is referred to him and Naruto since they both were gonna do a combo.

Sai came along with him..Sai is the one who brought Naruto there, so when hashirama said now we must wait for the shinobi.. Sai happened to be the one who could seal and was bringing Naruto there.. and bam naruto tells Sai.

And you are all good xD Not trying to be rude or anything here either.

 

[RikudouMadara]

Then it is out of the context of which Mangapanda puts it in. So with that you are making it a whole new translation. You have to look for the thing contributed by both translations, not just pick one. Because in the Mangapanda one he later on also uses "WE" when referring to him and Naruto.. sooo.

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So that is why i'm saying the "we" Hashirama refers to in the *********** version is referred to him and Naruto since they both were gonna do a combo.

Sai came along with him..Sai is the one who brought Naruto there, so when hashirama said now we must wait for the shinobi.. Sai happened to be the one who could seal and was bringing Naruto there.. and bam naruto tells Sai.

And you are all good xD Not trying to be rude or anything here either.

Well....to my understanding *********** cannot be out of context compared to mangapanda as *********** is the superior translation, correct? Also....I know King youre cool always man I don't mind...you're one of the few I can have a calm respectful conversation with.

 

[ajpn920]

Well....no disrespect to you in any way. King is a good friend of mine, and I very much respect him and take him very seriously. I believe Hashirama has sealing techs as well....I believe his condition of being weakened kept him from performing it.

I believe all of his last strength was put to keeping Madara bound. Also he was on one knee, so I believe he does but his condition stopped him. As I said earlier....I can play plenty of pieces on the piano....and I'm highly capable, but if I were to have broken hands at the time.... then I cannot at that time, although I'm highly capable.

Just my opinion.....also I feel King has the right to express himself just like you, or anyone. No disrespect to you, or anyone. :yayy:

Fair enough but because he believes that Hashi is part of the earth because of his wood element then I can't take him seriously. We all know that Hashi is an EDO. He can always have his stamina, chakra replenished being an EDO. Madara was immobilized yet he still waited for someone who can seal Madara? It's confirmed! Hashi can't seal something like spirits.

 

[KingHashirama]

Fair enough but because he believes that Hashi is part of the earth because of his wood element then I can't take him seriously. We all know that Hashi is an EDO. He can always have his stamina, chakra replenished being an EDO. Madara was immobilized yet he still waited for someone who can seal Madara? It's confirmed! Hashi can't seal something like spirits.

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Well....to my understanding *********** cannot be out of context compared to mangapanda as *********** is the superior translation, correct? Also....I know King youre cool always man I don't mind...you're one of the few I can have a calm respectful conversation with.

Thats why I'm saying if you keep them in context, the "we" in *********** is implied to Hashirama and Naruto, while mangapanda is more specific as to who going to do the sealing. Still the samething. And uhhh translations actually go either way to be honest, sometimes *********** screws up big time.

 

[RikudouMadara]

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Thats why I'm saying if you keep them in context, the "we" in *********** is implied to Hashirama and Naruto, while mangapanda is more specific as to who going to do the sealing. Still the samething. And uhhh translations actually go either way to be honest, sometimes *********** screws up big time.

Duely noted! ^_^

 

[Naijakid]

Its just a plot device so that Madara would survive