hashirama is automatically second strongest without a debate.

[Sefirosu Masamune]

your just being bias at this point

Kabuto>Hashirama

ok so what but FTW is faster than ET.

And you cant compare minato or sasori to this type of prep time. its noted in the manga that he needs to insert talismens to control them. nowhere in the manga is it stated minato himself prepares his kunai. the same for sasori. he summons his puppets and controls them then and there with chakra strings. his method of control is completely different. your trynna play on a technicality because you know its bullshit to have edo's already prepared before a fight, at least in a versus thread point of view.

you say 4 signs are waved in seconds, but say a jutsu with one sign is still slower.

the point im making is FTW is faster than ET. even your own arguement supports this.

"Kabuto using hand signs or not means nothing since it is a small feat and only seconds,"

so with one sign the jutsu starts even before kabuto has began to summon. which was the point i was trynna make..

You can prove he may not need a talismen or that he beats hashirama, thats fine, but the point i was making is FTW is faster than ET.

 

[deadp00l]

you are not a debater simple, just another schmuck on here

 

[Draegod]

your just being bias at this point

Kabuto>Hashirama

ok so what but FTW is faster than ET.

And you cant compare minato or sasori to this type of prep time. its noted in the manga that he needs to insert talismens to control them. nowhere in the manga is it stated minato himself prepares his kunai. the same for sasori. he summons his puppets and controls them then and there with chakra strings. his method of control is completely different. your trynna play on a technicality because you know its bullshit to have edo's already prepared before a fight, at least in a versus thread point of view.

Opinions my brother , Opinions. You think Mrk of Kunais isnt prep, i think it is. Simple as that. It's obv you want change your mind so lets just drop it.

And BTW I liked/Supported hashirama since part one and before the 4th ninja war started (look it up on this site to see when i came and defended him). I'm his Biggest fan and liked/supported him before anyone on this site (for the most part, only a few of us liked and defended him). I could go into detail on why i think Kabuto>Hashi but then i would waste my time since you agree. This is nothing but a petty convo on opinions and some facts.

 

[accept pain]

automatically does not exists in manga and for your kind information hashirama is not that great which all of you think

 

[Sefirosu Masamune]

Opinions my brother , Opinions. You think Mrk of Kunais isnt prep, i think it is. Simple as that. It's obv you want change your mind so lets just drop it.

And BTW I liked/Supported hashirama since part one and before the 4th ninja war started (look it up on this site to see when i came and defended him). I'm his Biggest fan and liked/supported him before anyone on this site (for the most part, only a few of us liked and defended him). I could go into detail on why i think Kabuto>Hashi but then i would waste my time since you agree. This is nothing but a petty convo on opinions and some facts.

Well I can agree we wont change eachothers minds. but all in all i was entertained. i dont think minato's kunai is prep time because he can mark anything he touches so he could technically use a regular kunai. But im gonna plus rep you for atleast arguing with manga as apposed to blind assumption.

 

[accept pain]

SEE THE DIFFERENCE

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your so called shinsusenju is not that great but resengan is more versatile

 

[Draegod]

Well I can agree we wont change eachothers minds. but all in all i was entertained. i dont think minato's kunai is prep time because he can mark anything he touches so he could technically use a regular kunai. But im gonna plus rep you for atleast arguing with manga as apposed to blind assumption.

Appreciate. And Thanks for the altercation, we both had points. Btw have you never seen my Kabuto and hashirama threads in the past? I trolled the shit out of Uchiha fanbois and Minato/Sarutobi Fanbois. lol Good times. I always use the manga when saying what ever i feel, always been like that since 2010 (or when ever) when i first joined.

 

[YellowFang]

It has been established many times and I agree with it...
Other than the two Sages of Six Paths, Hashirama was the strongest shinobi to ever live in NV till now...

 

[Sea Of Thy Soul]

-Sasuke.
-Madara.
-Naruto.
-God Tree.

 

[Flawž]

It's not worth debating, No one counters shinshuusenju except the 2 hermit sage of six paths.

 

[damon hunt]

sorry but hashi is madara's ***** proven fact :

 

[Flawž]

sorry but hashi is madara's ***** proven fact :

waiting for the proof.

 

[Klad]

It's true though . Hashirama > Madara in any form .

 

[Cooh]

Uchiha > Senju

 

[Ababeel]

He is not IMO. Zzz

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Hashirama never fought with the Bijuu nor do we know how he controlled them. If you can Show how he did then I'd happily allow The 8 Bijuu to be under his control. Even then it would matter since Edo army>>>8 Bijuu.

Kabuto using hand signs or not means nothing since it is a small feat and only seconds, so drop it. Second, Placing talismans are a small feat and is nothing that takes more then a few seconds as well. What you are doing is trying to find any and everything to make it seem as if Kabuto will never pull it off.

Hashirama literally has nothing that can Kill Kabuto lets start by saying that. FTW is easily countered and avoided. EDO Will happen and Hashi has nothing to stop it. Kabuto summons one edo asap that EDo summons another edo etc etc . 1 turns to 2, 2 to 4, 4 to 8 etc etc.

Then whats this crap with "Prep", Just like Minato needs his kunais already marked and is counted its the same with kabuto. Just like Sasori booby traps his 298 puppets its the same thing.

Whether you want to believe it or not, Kabuto can and has shown the ability to summon with their mind intact or at least with the ability to function:

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Right here Kabuto summons and uses Diedara with out a single talisman placed on anything yet.

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next; Kabuto notes he "finally awakes". But As you can see Diedara was able to use Clay bird, fly the bird for a shit load of miles perfectly before Kabuto Decides to Activate him with a talisman. SO in short if you haven't gotten it yet, its manga fact he can get them to act or preform with out a talisman! The Talisman just gives them the order he wants them to carry Specifically (i.e. Kill mode, personality mode etc etc). Even When Oru summoned the 1st and 2nd they talked and was active before Oru completely controlled them. So ill repeat myself yet again...

EDO>>>>>>>>>FTW and it is a simple Feat and is going to happen whether Hashi' like's it or not.


Kabuto>>>>>>>>>>Hashirama in a all out fight!

Lol without madara being in kabuto's arsenal seeing as he put himself on his own contract, hashirama wins period.

 

[Waltz]

Lol without madara being in kabuto's arsenal seeing as he put himself on his own contract, hashirama wins period.

Actually, Itachi is the only Edo Tensei Kabuto needs to finish Hashirma as he maintains no counter for Itachi's caliber of Genjutsu. For example, Izanami: A Genjutsu which is employed by manipulating any of the opponents 5 senses and thus placing them in an endless loop of events where there actual body remains incapacitated, waiting, to receive the Totsuka Katana. ​

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Actually, Itachi is the only Edo Tensei Kabuto needs to finish Hashirma as he maintains no counter for Itachi's caliber of Genjutsu. For example, Izanami: A Genjutsu which is employed by manipulating any of the opponents 5 senses and thus placing them in an endless loop of events where there actual body remains incapacitated, waiting, to receive the Totsuka Katana. ​

Lol there are only certain type of people izanami can be used on reread manga before just saying itachi can use something it takes to much time to prepare anyway.

 

[KingHashirama]

Manga fact Edo tensei is a jutsu just like any other summon that can be used in a fight. A village is not a part of a ninjas arsenal. Big difference.

Manga fact, Kabuto's edos are considered a ARMY, just like the shinobi alliance. Sorry but Manga says Hashirama and HIS senju clan. =]. And yes everysingle Shinobi of the leaf is part of Tsunade's arsenal or any other Hokage that was loved. Why? Because she/he can call upon them to defend. And you can't even argue against this, because "summoning" is a simple means of transportation.. just because they aren't transported through a space time jutsu, doesn't mean they aren't part of his arsenal. =].

#Gotta use logic evenly on both sides.

#Kabuto admits inferiority you bother to defend.

 

[Mellanoma]

totsuka stabs shinshin Seals it...

Hashirama has no counter for Totsuka neither does any other person in the world