The same kabuto who knows of the tech and is easy to avoid? The same Kabuto who has Edo madara match any wood release used?
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hashirama is automatically second strongest without a debate.
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Ummm Madara does not bend to kabuto's will
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But all in all, If Hashirama uses that jutsu at the same time kabuto uses edo tensei then its over. he wont have enough time to wave hands seals, summon, then command that summon to use a jutsu while hashirama is already casting an offensive jutsu.
First off; EDO madara IS Kabuto's Play toy! Period!
Second; Madara and Kabuto ar on the same team and would not fight, especially when madara hates the senju leader!
Third; Flower tree world isnt faster then EDO summon, and is easy to avoid. You hold your breath derp derp. Can you not hold your breath? Is that impossible for you? Did you not see the kages do that?
Please learn anything besides the standard FTW, sage mode, buhda blah blah about my boi Hashirama. You and every other noob makes him look pathetic as if he doesnt have other moves. At least look up his moves on wiki..
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these guys are considering Tobirama's watergun > Madara+Kyuubi TBBs
Madara combined his Susano'o sword with TBB to blast out the arms of the Shinsuusenju. I mean only ARMS.
Where is Tobirama and where is Madara and WHere is Hashirama XD
Minato teleporting the Shinsuusenju doesn't mean he can beat that beast
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How is madara kabutos play thing when he let madara have free will..he never once controlled madara....then he broke free from the jutsu.. kabuto was never in control
Kabuto stated he was on madara's side, not the other way around. Kabuto is helping madara with his goal, not madara helping kabuto
And Edo tensei is slower actually
Edo Tensei seal sequence:Tiger → Snake → Dog → Dragon → Clap hands
after that he has to wait on the coffin to appear, then give orders
Wood release Advent of a World of Flowering Trees seal sequence: Snake.
one sign and the jutsu commences.
And did you really say hold your breathe? LMAO do you know how stupid that sounds? how long will he be holding his breathe for until he need oxygen. The only counter is to destroy the trees and the pollen in the air. did you not see thats the only way the kages survived?. they all passed out except for onooki. holding their breathe was not effective at all lol cant believe you even said that...holding your breathe....really dude??
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And no one claims it is everything.Lol that thing is so overrated. If I have learned one thing in my life, it is size isn't everything.
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Fast; even obito couldn't stop him!
Kabuto Claps his hands; any of his Edos Go Coffin then Puff! They literally can be in the middle of a big move, and they want even know it and want be warned:
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Madara only broke from the jutsu because 1) Kabuto was out of action, 2) Kabuto did not know Madara could, 3) Kabuto was not keeping track of Madara when he was fighting the Brothers. Basically, if kabuto was aware and knew madara would try the hand signs to break free, he easily Unsummons him!
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Don't breathe in the Pollen. Either A) Hold your breathe, or B) Cover your noise so you want inhale the pollen. Mei has never seen the jutsu a day of her life and the first thing she stated was "Do not breathe in the pollen".
Kabuto Knows of the Jutsu and it is easy to avoid and Use Edo tensei! The Jutsu isn't a super One hit KO like most noobs think. The tree world gets countered then Decimated by Edo army and other things!
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The same Kabuto who admit inferiority to Hashirama?
It is simply your choice to include the Edos or not. However, if you have the obligation to include the Edos, Hashirama also gets to have all the people under his power (Tobirama/Uchiha clan/Sarutobi clan/Senju clan).
Either you keep it 1 vs 1. Or we go Army vs Army.. where Hashirama pawns madly.
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1. He didnt just clap his hands. In the scan before he jumps back to perform the handseals needed.
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which are once again
Tiger → Snake → Dog → Dragon → Clap hands
Then the coffins also appear one by one. slowing it down even further.. This is even evident in the scan you posted.
"When first summoned, the body of the reincarnated is stored in a coffin; their body will appear grey and in a state of minor "decay": marred by cracks and other imperfections, and the individual will also appear to be "disengaged".
courtesey of naruto pedia.. So this means out of the box they are not even ready to fight.
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Kabuto has to give them a command to do so. He has to activate the corpse then either decide to control it or let it have free will. taking up even more time.
Now back to the top. Kabuto had to make space to use his signs. this jutsu is offensive as soon as the snake sign is waved.
Here one sign: Snake
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While kabuto is waving his signs hashirama is already done. when he completes his signs this is happening here
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He is being hit by wood style even before the pollen is a factor. all of this is happening either while he is still waving signs, or the coffins are appearing. he has yet to give an order to the edos yet to even fight.
and the scan you didnt post would be here
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holding your breathe that effective???
No.. not effective. they only reason they did not succome sooner was because gaara had them elevated above the pollen. kabuto cannot fly so he would then still be on the ground. and just like the kage he would be sleep.
It does not matter why madara broke free your giving him an excuse. he was never under kabuto's control. there is no scan where he is so this is never the case.
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Holding your breathe obviously wont work forever.
Edo tensei is slower and the caster can be struck before he is done waving signs if the mokuton jutsu is used at the same time as edo tensei.
Without flight or a jutsu to destroy the flowers and the pollen your screwed.
Edo tensei has steps you dont just clap and they are ready to fight. the jutsu is not as instant as you make it seem.
Kabuto has to give them a talismen to even be able to command his summons which takes even more time.
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That is the last and final step to edo tensei and by then kabuto is asleep. he will get as far as coffins summoned, but the corpes will not be animated. then will be in a disengaged state until then. if they are not disengaged they will have free will and at that point are not considered kabuto's usable summons.
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If FTG does not take chakra depending on size then Minato chakra reservers are terribly low
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Manga fact Edo tensei is a jutsu just like any other summon that can be used in a fight. A village is not a part of a ninjas arsenal. Big difference.
Show where He made any hand signs please! He simply gave himself room from Tobi who was to close when he was trying to talk to him. Then on top of that the hand signs happened in a matter of seconds when him and Obito were about to engage in combat so whats your point again? LMMFAO hahahahahahahahha FTW Isnt instant and is a process as well. And again to kill this thought of kabuto having slow handsigns, It clearly shows it took a few seconds! FTW isnt as fast!
And you have his abilities greatly mistaken! He can choose to summon them with no will off bat or already have them prepared. Example 1:
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Here he clearly was waiting to be ordered. Which doesnt take long btw, all he needs to do is Pick which talisman he wants to use (Mind erase killing machines, Mind/personality still there killing machines, or free will)
Example 2:
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And here you clearly see Madara is summoned with conscious and is in battle mode (ofc he was like what happened in that scene, but he could bust ass if you wanted to.lol) But let me kill it ASAP With you real Quick Again to kill any doubts:
Kabuto Can do so many things with Edo its pitiful. Please dont get it twisted!
Then you show a picture of AFTER THEY WERE HIT BY MADARA THEN EFFECTED BY FLOWER TREE WORLD. Ill Post it all since you want to lie and not read the manga:
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They had time to talk and think.
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Gaara had enough time to save them all with sand
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MADARA SNEAKS UP ON THEM AND HITS THEM OUT THE AIR!
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And Mei even had time to move and almost preform a jutsu before the Pollen kicking in! Manga fact!
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FTW Isn't instant and doesn't effect the opp ASAP. If they avoid the pollen they can still fight. That is why Madara forced them out the air and caused/made them breathe it in with force. What are you reading to not see this? Kabuto also has knowledge on Hashi' to know how and what jutsu he will use or has used. Then on top of that Kabuto has Anti Wood poison to shut Hashi down, then what? Edo army or atleast 3 edos come and its a wrap! Down deal! GG no Re!
Kabuto>>>Hashirama in a All out fight!
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in the scans where he controls his edos right off the bat he had prep time. and as far as versus threads go there is no prep time. so in the case of versus threads he has to inserst them during the battle as orochimaru did when he was fighting the third hokage.
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and because you cannot see him performing the seals does not mean he did not perform the seals. if he didnt have to use seals he would have not made space to use the seals in the first place. and there is already manga proof you need seals to use the jutsu. and the point was Edo tensei is slower. i never said kabuto<Hashirama, just if he uses edo tensei at the same time as FTW he is dead. in a versus thread no prep time is allowed. if thats the case then hashirama>Kabuto because with prep time he caught all of the tailed beasts with his prep time. you say he can use the hand seals in a matter of seconds, but dont realize how fast one hand seal is waved. Fact is FTW is faster than edo tensei and if casted at the same time as edo tensei then kabuto will be defeated. Its slower because it has more signs,the coffins have to appear, and talismens need to be inserted.
FTW has less signs and can be used to attack before the pollen takes effect. theres not doubt its faster. if you want to give kabuto the prep time and say the talismens are already inserted then i can give hashirama the tailed beasts since he caught them and they are summons aswell.
and as for gaara saving them, kabuto would never have countered that move if he was by himself. they only had extra time because gaara saved them. the fact mei had enough time to cast a jutsu was thanks to gaara. gaara barely saved them at that so saying they had enough time is bias. if gaara was note there, they would have been hit sooner meaning the jutsu is not moving as slow as you say. the jutsu was fast enough to block onooki's stone golem which was already casted and attacking. you failed to not that he stopped that attack instantly, noting the speed of the jutsu if it was a 1v1.
In a versus thread, he needs to implant the talismen himself. You even said yourself he already has the prepared
"And you have his abilities greatly mistaken! He can choose to summon them with no will off bat or already have them prepared"
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"Here he clearly was waiting to be ordered"
All insinuating prep time.
FTW is faster. its common sense
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rinnegan users > Hashirama means madara ,nagato and obito...if madara do not use rinnegan properly then hashirama can beat madara. hashirama can never kill obito nor nagato
Hashirama never fought with the Bijuu nor do we know how he controlled them. If you can Show how he did then I'd happily allow The 8 Bijuu to be under his control. Even then it would matter since Edo army>>>8 Bijuu.
Kabuto using hand signs or not means nothing since it is a small feat and only seconds, so drop it. Second, Placing talismans are a small feat and is nothing that takes more then a few seconds as well. What you are doing is trying to find any and everything to make it seem as if Kabuto will never pull it off.
Hashirama literally has nothing that can Kill Kabuto lets start by saying that. FTW is easily countered and avoided. EDO Will happen and Hashi has nothing to stop it. Kabuto summons one edo asap that EDo summons another edo etc etc . 1 turns to 2, 2 to 4, 4 to 8 etc etc.
Then whats this crap with "Prep", Just like Minato needs his kunais already marked and is counted its the same with kabuto. Just like Sasori booby traps his 298 puppets its the same thing.
Whether you want to believe it or not, Kabuto can and has shown the ability to summon with their mind intact or at least with the ability to function:
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Right here Kabuto summons and uses Diedara with out a single talisman placed on anything yet.
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next; Kabuto notes he "finally awakes". But As you can see Diedara was able to use Clay bird, fly the bird for a shit load of miles perfectly before Kabuto Decides to Activate him with a talisman. SO in short if you haven't gotten it yet, its manga fact he can get them to act or preform with out a talisman! The Talisman just gives them the order he wants them to carry Specifically (i.e. Kill mode, personality mode etc etc). Even When Oru summoned the 1st and 2nd they talked and was active before Oru completely controlled them. So ill repeat myself yet again...
EDO>>>>>>>>>FTW and it is a simple Feat and is going to happen whether Hashi' like's it or not.
Kabuto>>>>>>>>>>Hashirama in a all out fight!