Hashirama, Edo Minato and DMS Kakashi vs. RSM Naruto

DemonicAvenger

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Dec 4, 2012
Messages
3,254
Reaction score
271
How? :lol

I really don't see how it's much of a question. Naruto has far more firepower than the team combined here and can hard counter any Kamui tactics with Dimension filling combo.

Minato's basically a non factor and Hashirama outside of SS is blitz or instant KO material. Kakashi + SS is the only he ache and it's not that hard to counter
 

KidGamer65

Legendary Shinobi 🐸
Supreme
Joined
Aug 5, 2012
Messages
38,776
Reaction score
2,272
I really don't see how it's much of a question. Naruto has far more firepower than the team combined here and can hard counter any Kamui tactics with Dimension filling combo.

Minato's basically a non factor and Hashirama outside of SS is blitz or instant KO material. Kakashi + SS is the only he ache and it's not that hard to counter

The only way he has far more firepower than them combined is if he uses his Avatar, and if he ever enters his Avatar he gets pinned just like the vastly superior Juubi did by Myojinmon and then he's finished off by Kakashi and Hashirama. Without his Avatar the only firepower he has worth even mentioning here is his BDFRS, which is individually weaker than his standard Bijuu Dama in RSM which is weaker than Hashirama's Chojo Kebutsu even with the power of Sasuke's Chidori added to it. All 9 might be superior, but Kamui Shuriken and S/T Barrier warp them away, and then Naruto gets turned to paste by SS or cut apart by Susanoo.

Any other offense Naruto has is straight up countered or blocked by PS.
 

Unorthodox

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Feb 11, 2012
Messages
16,325
Reaction score
693
His whole Argument is based of some mesely explosion size as if that means a damn thing when the power output is to great.

Kamui Shuriken are only used as retaliations to BDFRS. If Naruto throws FRS variants then S/T Barrier sucks them in. Not to mention the explosion of those FRS variants isn't anywhere near as large as the explosion from VoTE which stripped off half to most of Madara's PS, so FRS variants aren't destroying Kakashi's Susanoo.
If you want Naruto to block the Shuriken from hitting his BDFRS w/ an attack thrown after the fact, said attack will need to reach the Shuriken first, and that's impossible as they aren't faster than Naruto's BDFRS. That's what I'm saying.

No they're not because Kakashi susanoo is not durable enough to tank CHOU YFRS we've seen Juubi dama's fully charged failed against a much smaller form of the god tree basically while YFRS ripped it apart it's cutting power would split Kakashi's Susanoo then add he did that before his RSM Cloak. Stop acting like Kamui shurikens are a factor Naruto could send a clone to run into them or extend a chakra arm to simple touch them there not worth shit here. Plus there are only 4 Kamui shuriken while they're are 6 BDFRS. S/T barrier is a non factor because he has no outside Kunai to send them to so they still get blown up regarless. Suggest Minato can react to Naruto anyways. Also what stops Naruto from repeating this? And uses Suicide clones to get close then use BDFRS would wreck this team.

Except the team has no reason to split up, nor does Naruto have the ability to actually split them up. Since Minato's offense is useless he can camp on SS or in Kakashi's Susanoo. So if he uses BDFRS on them, Kamui Shuriken warps it away. Naruto can fire 9 at a time, Kakashi can fire 4 Shuriken at a time that have warping AoE's as large as PS's body. Then Minato has S/T Barrier for the rest.

Except i was not talking about splitting up. Camping in Susanoo or SS does nothing for the team useless is useless regarless. Warping Aoe being as large as PS body means nothing when the size of the Explosion from BDFRS makes Sasuke PS not visible Let alone 6 ST Barrier is moot since he has no outside kunai to redirected to so it blows in his face. Naruto could also just rinse and repeat.

Then Chojo Kebutsu and PS slash turns Naruto to paste. This whole argument was pointless to make because as long as the team remains in the same position together there's no way Naruto does any of this.

Naruto can easily stay while above Shinsuusenjutsu Also he could toss HIS FRS Varaients at Hashirama already explained why it'll work about. Kakashi Susanoo is not hitting Naruto similar to how Sasuke could not land a hit on Kaguya. Then Naruto bombards his Avatar with Bijuu FRS.

Yeah, destroying the Kurama avatar is possible, if they hit. :lol Which they won't for reasons already explained. If Naruto uses BDFRS Kamui Shuriken warps it away. S/T Barrier warps it away.

Stop with the bs destroying his Kurama Avatar is impossible for Hashirama and this team outside of Kamui shurikens. 6 BDFRS > 4 Kamui shurikens and Naruto can use a dude to set it off prematurely, S/t barrier useless since he has no outside marking to warp it to.

And lol. The Shinju's durability feats are trash compared to Hashirama's upper tiered Mokuton Jutsu. YRS is blocked. BDFRS is warped away by Kamui Shuriken.

Shinju root withstood Juubi dama while Hashirama Buddah arms was blasted apart normal BD also PS Blades shredded Multiple SS arms ANY BD FRS Variants slicing power > Madara's PS Blades so his Buddah gets fodderized.

Except they do. Naruto's projectiles are useless. Then SS and PS kill him.

Except the don't SS and PS is blown off the map.

Naruto wins low diff this dumbass and his shitty nonsense.
 

Unorthodox

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Feb 11, 2012
Messages
16,325
Reaction score
693
The only way he has far more firepower than them combined is if he uses his Avatar, and if he ever enters his Avatar he gets pinned just like the vastly superior Juubi did by Myojinmon and then he's finished off by Kakashi and

Did'nt Mindless Juubito slap Myojinmon apart with his bares or chakra arms? Not only can Naruto do that he could just dodge it.

Boy you sound bout dumb af right now Naruto low diffs like i said.
 

KidGamer65

Legendary Shinobi 🐸
Supreme
Joined
Aug 5, 2012
Messages
38,776
Reaction score
2,272
His whole Argument is based of some mesely explosion size as if that means a damn thing when the power output is to great.

When talking about two explosions of the same kind (bijuu dama) that's all that matters. Don't make shitty excuses now son. In terms of explosive size:

-Madara's BD barrage>RSM Naruto's BD that can damage his own Avatar with a direct hit>>1 BDFRS.
-Chojo Kebutsu equaled Madara's BD barrage. Thus it's superior to a single BDFRS and a single BD from RSM Naruto.



No they're not because Kakashi susanoo is not durable enough to tank CHOU YFRS we've seen Juubi dama's fully charged failed against a much smaller form of the god tree basically while YFRS ripped it apart it's cutting power would split Kakashi's Susanoo then add he did that before his RSM Cloak. Stop acting like Kamui shurikens are a factor Naruto could send a clone to run into them or extend a chakra arm to simple touch them there not worth shit here. Plus there are only 4 Kamui shuriken while they're are 6 BDFRS. S/T barrier is a non factor because he has no outside Kunai to send them to so they still get blown up regarless. Suggest Minato can react to Naruto anyways. Also what stops Naruto from repeating this? And uses Suicide clones to get close then use BDFRS would wreck this team.

Lmfao what the hell are you on about?

1. No version of the Shinju besides the Shinju itself has been shown in this Manga. The Bijuu Dama tree is NOT the Shinju. YRS cutting the Shinju and failing to cut Madara in half doesn't mean it cuts PS when the Shinju's durability feats are trash compared to PS. That simple.

2. Again, you sound stupid crying about the same thing over and over even though I've addressed it. Mention this again without a real counter and it'll be ignored. No one has time to argue with a trash debater over nonsense points. Kamui Shuriken are used to block Naruto's attacks. So unless Naruto can outspeed his own attack that will be fired first there's nothing to discuss here. And he can't, so don't ever bring this point up again. And I already addressed the number of Shuriken vs. the number of Bijuu Dama. :lol

3. Then Minato places some. :lol Naruto can repeat his attack all he wants, it's not like it matters.

4. Suicide clones to get close? What are you even talking about? Clone spam? Kakashi's PS rapes clone spam.

And no, Minato doesn't need to be able to react to Naruto in order to be able to react to Naruto's attacks from the distance Naruto will need to throw them at in order to survive, a distance he'll never even reach with Kakashi and Hashirama pressing him.


Except i was not talking about splitting up. Camping in Susanoo or SS does nothing for the team useless is useless regarless. Warping Aoe being as large as PS body means nothing when the size of the Explosion from BDFRS makes Sasuke PS not visible Let alone 6 ST Barrier is moot since he has no outside kunai to redirected to so it blows in his face. Naruto could also just rinse and repeat.

The explosion is irrelevant. When the ball gets warped there is no explosion. Same goes for the S/T Barrier. Try again. And Naruto's Gudo Dama don't instantly return to him after using this tech. But wait, hold on, why am I even entertaining the dumb idea of him rinsing and repeating BDFRS attacks when Kamui Shuriken warp them to another dimension? :lol. Once his BDFRS are warped he loses 4 of his Gudo Dama, then S/T Barrier takes care of the last 2. Or Hashirama overpowers the last 2 with Chojo and then when they reform Kakashi takes care of them using his Shuriken.


Naruto can easily stay while above Shinsuusenjutsu Also he could toss HIS FRS Varaients at Hashirama already explained why it'll work about. Kakashi Susanoo is not hitting Naruto similar to how Sasuke could not land a hit on Kaguya. Then Naruto bombards his Avatar with Bijuu FRS.

Good thing Kakashi's PS can fly. And Naruto without an Avatar isn't beating PS. He can't block it's attacks

If he uses his Avatar he gets raped by Myojinmon, so let's forget about that. He can hover over SS all he wants, it doesn't change the fact that Kakashi and Minato make his projectiles 100% useless in this fight.

Lmaoooo yeah. KAGUYA. Sasuke being unable to hit Kaguya with Susanoo while his Susanoo was in the process of being destroyed=/=Kakashi being unable to hit Naruto with his Susanoo. Sasuke a punch on Kaguya right before that, so let's not act like she has the ability to weave all of Sasuke's attacks in close quarters. Let's not act like Naruto will do the same to Kakashi either, especially when his top, impressive speed comes from his Shunshin, not his flight.

PS Kakashi engages Naruto in CQC above SS's range like you say he will and then he gets demolished. Projectiles are warped by Minato, BDFRS is taken out by a combo of S/T Barrier and Kamui Shuriken, any regular FRS variant that can't be warped away is blocked by PS.


Stop with the bs destroying his Kurama Avatar is impossible for Hashirama and this team outside of Kamui shurikens. 6 BDFRS > 4 Kamui shurikens and Naruto can use a dude to set it off prematurely, S/t barrier useless since he has no outside marking to warp it to.

Not really. Chojo Kebutsu is stronger than an attack that can canonically damage Naruto's Avatar. If Naruto is left immobile with no way to defend himself then it's a wrap. So forget about the Avatar unless Naruto got the power to do what the superior Juubi failed to do. :lol Bringing Juubito's feats are pointless because a JJ's chakra arms>>>Naruto's chakra arms by feats.



Shinju root withstood Juubi dama while Hashirama Buddah arms was blasted apart normal BD also PS Blades shredded Multiple SS arms ANY BD FRS Variants slicing power > Madara's PS Blades so his Buddah gets fodderized.

The Shinju's root didn't withstand a thing. No Juubidama was used after the Shinju's release anyway so I have no idea what you are talking about. The Bijuu Dama tree is not a root of the Shinju so if that is what you are implying you can stop now because that thing doesn't look like the shinju in any way besides the fact they are both trees. :lol

Hilarious how this guy is insinuating YRS can cut something that can survive a Juubidama (The tree) despite it failing to cut Madara in half. :lol And based on what does BDFRS have slicing power stronger than Madara's PS? Oh wait, nothing. Just like 90% of your post.

BDFRS power comes from the explosion. Any feats of it's slicing power are fanfiction. Crying "Rikudo boost almighty god buff" doesn't prove that the wind blade (where all the slicing power comes from) goes from cutting CT fragments to cutting apart Mountain Ranges like Madara's susanoo does.

In terms of slicing power BDFRS has nothing on PS. In terms of explosive power 2 BDFRS are not superior to Madara's 11 BD barrage and the explosion size will tell you that. So once Kakashi takes care of 4 of the BDFRS, the other 2 are overpowered and Naruto is killed. Though I'm waiting to read all these excuses on why the explosive power is irrelevant in this case because Naruto has RSM. :lol

Except the don't SS and PS is blown off the map.

Naruto wins low diff this dumbass and his shitty nonsense.

Based on nothing. Team puts Naruto to sleep. :lol Shit argument is a shit argument.

Did'nt Mindless Juubito slap Myojinmon apart with his bares or chakra arms? Not only can Naruto do that he could just dodge it.

Boy you sound bout dumb af right now Naruto low diffs like i said.

He used his chakra arms. By feats in pure physical power the Juubi's chakra arms>>>>Naruto's chakra arms. :lol Ripping apart the Hokage's barrier is superior to anything Naruto has ever done in the physical strength department.

And where are the speed feats for Naruto in Kurama Mode to outright dodge Myojinmon?

Oh wait, they don't exist. Quit while you're behind pal. Naruto low diffing is a conclusion fueled by nothing but a ridiculous overrating of his abilities.

Lmao you're over here going on about BDFRS yet Naruto would kill himself in the explosion if he used it in this fight without his Avatar. :lol And if he stays in his Avatar Myojinmon binds him.
 
Last edited:

ARGUS

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Mar 14, 2014
Messages
6,324
Reaction score
319
-- TBB are grabbed and tossed right back at naruto through SS or S/T barrier

-- BDRS and Bijuus RS are either warped by kamui or by S/T barrier

-- avatar gets binded and then PS/Chojo wreck it

-- humanoid naruto can't deal with PS when his main offense can either be stopped or sent back at him

-- only way he can truly take this team out is with Ashura avatar but that won't happen when Kyuubi clones are restricted and he won't have time to gather that much NE especially witj Kakashi and hashirama up his ass

Team mid diffs
 

Unorthodox

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Feb 11, 2012
Messages
16,325
Reaction score
693
-- TBB are grabbed and tossed right back at naruto through SS or S/T barrier

-- BDRS and Bijuus RS are either warped by kamui or by S/T barrier

-- avatar gets binded and then PS/Chojo wreck it

-- humanoid naruto can't deal with PS when his main offense can either be stopped or sent back at him

-- only way he can truly take this team out is with Ashura avatar but that won't happen when Kyuubi clones are restricted and he won't have time to gather that much NE especially witj Kakashi and hashirama up his ass

Team mid diffs

I knew no matter what you would agree with Kid lol

@Kidgamer im on that ass.
 

ARGUS

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Mar 14, 2014
Messages
6,324
Reaction score
319
I knew no matter what you would agree with Kid lol

@Kidgamer im on that ass.

manga has already shown us that RSM avatar got damaged by an attack much weaker than Chojo. Now add PS slashes on top of that and the fact that hashirama already bound an entity which is physically superior to his avatar and the fact that his offense is shut down
We get to the conclusion that he loses

The restriction on clones make this certain
 

Lord Tywin

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Mar 10, 2014
Messages
11,086
Reaction score
899
Gates ain't gonna do shit. Kiriri musou shits on them. Sending a charging kaguya hundreds of meters away>>what juubito did
 

Warlocks

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Aug 18, 2015
Messages
6,276
Reaction score
396
When talking about two explosions of the same kind (bijuu dama) that's all that matters. Don't make shitty excuses now son. In terms of explosive size:

-Madara's BD barrage>RSM Naruto's BD that can damage his own Avatar with a direct hit>>1 BDFRS.
-Chojo Kebutsu equaled Madara's BD barrage. Thus it's superior to a single BDFRS and a single BD from RSM Naruto.





Lmfao what the hell are you on about?

1. No version of the Shinju besides the Shinju itself has been shown in this Manga. The Bijuu Dama tree is NOT the Shinju. YRS cutting the Shinju and failing to cut Madara in half doesn't mean it cuts PS when the Shinju's durability feats are trash compared to PS. That simple.

2. Again, you sound stupid crying about the same thing over and over even though I've addressed it. Mention this again without a real counter and it'll be ignored. No one has time to argue with a trash debater over nonsense points. Kamui Shuriken are used to block Naruto's attacks. So unless Naruto can outspeed his own attack that will be fired first there's nothing to discuss here. And he can't, so don't ever bring this point up again. And I already addressed the number of Shuriken vs. the number of Bijuu Dama. :lol

3. Then Minato places some. :lol Naruto can repeat his attack all he wants, it's not like it matters.

4. Suicide clones to get close? What are you even talking about? Clone spam? Kakashi's PS rapes clone spam.

And no, Minato doesn't need to be able to react to Naruto in order to be able to react to Naruto's attacks from the distance Naruto will need to throw them at in order to survive, a distance he'll never even reach with Kakashi and Hashirama pressing him.




The explosion is irrelevant. When the ball gets warped there is no explosion. Same goes for the S/T Barrier. Try again. And Naruto's Gudo Dama don't instantly return to him after using this tech. But wait, hold on, why am I even entertaining the dumb idea of him rinsing and repeating BDFRS attacks when Kamui Shuriken warp them to another dimension? :lol. Once his BDFRS are warped he loses 4 of his Gudo Dama, then S/T Barrier takes care of the last 2. Or Hashirama overpowers the last 2 with Chojo and then when they reform Kakashi takes care of them using his Shuriken.




Good thing Kakashi's PS can fly. And Naruto without an Avatar isn't beating PS. He can't block it's attacks

If he uses his Avatar he gets raped by Myojinmon, so let's forget about that. He can hover over SS all he wants, it doesn't change the fact that Kakashi and Minato make his projectiles 100% useless in this fight.

Lmaoooo yeah. KAGUYA. Sasuke being unable to hit Kaguya with Susanoo while his Susanoo was in the process of being destroyed=/=Kakashi being unable to hit Naruto with his Susanoo. Sasuke a punch on Kaguya right before that, so let's not act like she has the ability to weave all of Sasuke's attacks in close quarters. Let's not act like Naruto will do the same to Kakashi either, especially when his top, impressive speed comes from his Shunshin, not his flight.

PS Kakashi engages Naruto in CQC above SS's range like you say he will and then he gets demolished. Projectiles are warped by Minato, BDFRS is taken out by a combo of S/T Barrier and Kamui Shuriken, any regular FRS variant that can't be warped away is blocked by PS.




Not really. Chojo Kebutsu is stronger than an attack that can canonically damage Naruto's Avatar. If Naruto is left immobile with no way to defend himself then it's a wrap. So forget about the Avatar unless Naruto got the power to do what the superior Juubi failed to do. :lol Bringing Juubito's feats are pointless because a JJ's chakra arms>>>Naruto's chakra arms by feats.





The Shinju's root didn't withstand a thing. No Juubidama was used after the Shinju's release anyway so I have no idea what you are talking about. The Bijuu Dama tree is not a root of the Shinju so if that is what you are implying you can stop now because that thing doesn't look like the shinju in any way besides the fact they are both trees. :lol

Hilarious how this guy is insinuating YRS can cut something that can survive a Juubidama (The tree) despite it failing to cut Madara in half. :lol And based on what does BDFRS have slicing power stronger than Madara's PS? Oh wait, nothing. Just like 90% of your post.

BDFRS power comes from the explosion. Any feats of it's slicing power are fanfiction. Crying "Rikudo boost almighty god buff" doesn't prove that the wind blade (where all the slicing power comes from) goes from cutting CT fragments to cutting apart Mountain Ranges like Madara's susanoo does.

In terms of slicing power BDFRS has nothing on PS. In terms of explosive power 2 BDFRS are not superior to Madara's 11 BD barrage and the explosion size will tell you that. So once Kakashi takes care of 4 of the BDFRS, the other 2 are overpowered and Naruto is killed. Though I'm waiting to read all these excuses on why the explosive power is irrelevant in this case because Naruto has RSM. :lol



Based on nothing. Team puts Naruto to sleep. :lol Shit argument is a shit argument.



He used his chakra arms. By feats in pure physical power the Juubi's chakra arms>>>>Naruto's chakra arms. :lol Ripping apart the Hokage's barrier is superior to anything Naruto has ever done in the physical strength department.

And where are the speed feats for Naruto in Kurama Mode to outright dodge Myojinmon?

Oh wait, they don't exist. Quit while you're behind pal. Naruto low diffing is a conclusion fueled by nothing but a ridiculous overrating of his abilities.

Lmao you're over here going on about BDFRS yet Naruto would kill himself in the explosion if he used it in this fight without his Avatar. :lol And if he stays in his Avatar Myojinmon binds him.

kaguya chakra arms >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Juubi's /jubito chakra arms
and Naruto's chakra arms was almost = to kaguya chakra arms
 

Eng nawashi

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Regular
Joined
Apr 17, 2015
Messages
1,529
Reaction score
57
TTBRS get warped while it is still above Naruto's arm since Naruto wouldn't be able to shunshin while holding 9 TTBRS .
 

KidGamer65

Legendary Shinobi 🐸
Supreme
Joined
Aug 5, 2012
Messages
38,776
Reaction score
2,272
Gates ain't gonna do shit. Kiriri musou shits on them. Sending a charging kaguya hundreds of meters away>>what juubito did

How is sending Kaguya flying a feat that lets send Myojinmon flying when Kavuya is nowhere near as large or heavy? Lmao what type of sense do you think you make here? He cant even use that with his avatar, so he'd have to put it down which is the point of Hashirama using the jutsu.

And it wasn't even hundreds of meters away. :lol Try again.

kaguya chakra arms >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Juubi's /jubito chakra arms
and Naruto's chakra arms was almost = to kaguya chakra arms

Lmao. I have no reason to believe she was going all out when she hit and failed to damage Naruto but raped Susanoo in one strike a page later.
 
Last edited:

Lord Tywin

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Mar 10, 2014
Messages
11,086
Reaction score
899
How is sending Kaguya flying a feat that lets send Myojinmon flying when Kavuya is nowhere near as large or heavy? Lmao what type of sense do you think you make here? He cant even use that with his avatar, so he'd have to put it down which is the point of Hashirama using the jutsu.

And it wasn't even hundreds of meters away. :lol Try again.
If Naruto's caught, which he probably won't be, he'd immediately cancel his avatar and destroys the gates. Juubito did it, Madara did it, so will Naruto.
Bold is based on nothing but brain gas
 

KidGamer65

Legendary Shinobi 🐸
Supreme
Joined
Aug 5, 2012
Messages
38,776
Reaction score
2,272
If Naruto's caught, which he probably won't be, he'd immediately cancel his avatar and destroys the gates. Juubito did it, Madara did it, so will Naruto.
Bold is based on nothing but brain gas

Bold is based on the fact that Naruto has never done it and you cant support the claim that he can. Your strategy is also auss. If he puts down his avatar to break the gates he opens himself up to SS and PSs attacks, which is the point to begin with. Make the avatar useless.
 

Lord Tywin

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Mar 10, 2014
Messages
11,086
Reaction score
899
Bold is based on the fact that Naruto has never done it and you cant support the claim that he can. Your strategy is also auss. If he puts down his avatar to break the gates he opens himself up to SS and PSs attacks, which is the point to begin with. Make the avatar useless.
Wtf?:lol all he has to do is to have 5 tails boil his chakra. Why can't he do it again?
And I'm sure you remember how fast Naruto can activate and deactivate his avatar. None of them have the speed to get between that time gap
 
Top