[Spoilers] Hashirama defeated Madara? Unbelievable!

[TheSages456]

madara is my favorite character but its ridiculous to say he didnt lose fair and square at the valley of the end. there was no outside help. only hashirama and madaras statues are at the valley of the end not mitos or some random people. its rather pathetic how people try to find excuses for why madara lost.

madara confronts hashirama
they have a brief exchange of some mokuton and fire style
madara summons kyuubi
hashirama fights kyuubi and madara
hashirama takes away madaras control of kyuubi
hashirama suppresses the kyuubi
hashirama and madara fight again with hashirama winning.

is that really so hard to believe? mito wasnt there, get that crap out of here. it was:
ems madara with the kyuubi vs hashirama. it was a fight between just them and hashirama won.

 

[BloodSeed]

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ive wonder why people ignore this lines when it contradicts their belief

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and madara today was not madara that hashirama fought, he was completed BEYOND HIS PRIME + he is an edo

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and add this the union between the two of them this is my trump card!


and it was stated that "the first hokage who was stronger than madara"
and + this

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only nobody that the deceased first hokage can defeat madara that means hashirama>madara even he had a Disease :rofl:

 

[Mante]

Hashi was a very strong shinobi indeed U_U
have you noticed the size of the full form Susano?! O_O too much OP x_x

 

[CopyCatNinja]

Seeing Madaras complete susano'o in the spoiler in this thread:

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It really makes me wonder.. how the hell did Hashi manage to beat him? Its quite the damn feat seeing as all we've been told about hashirama is that he can throw trees and heal himself without seals. Its defiantly an incredible feat if you ask me.

I've fort that many times.. I dont no how hashi was able to do it.. when all he has is wood style

 

[Bman95]

he used a jutsu

 

[Hexuze]

I really do hope Kishi shows the full fight between those two.

He has too!!!

 

[dominicansharingan]

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[Akai Suisei]

Edo Madara is strong no doubt but is it really that hard for people to understand that he could not do all these things if he wasn't an Edo. Being an Edo does away with things like pain and stamina loss, as well as chakra loss. Cant forget that he had no Mokuton when he fought Hashi.

When Madara fought Hashirama there was no way he was this powerful.

If Madara wasn't an Edo the 5 Kage would have killed him a long time ago.

Just look at Itachi and Nagato if proof is required. Both of them can spam powerful tech thanks to being Edo. These same tech's took a heavy toll on them when living.

I think Madara is a badass but we gotta face the facts here.

 

[ntel]

Sighh...Fanboys,stupid trolls what more?This thread is more of wars now etc stating whos more boss etc.Sigh

 

[serpiente clan]

Mokuton can probably rip Madara out of susanoo just like gaara's sand did, plus look at black zetsu, tripping up Naruto with his techniques. Hashirama can change the battlefield to his liking, no reason why he couldnt do that also and take away his footing.

then there's Hashirama's mokuton clones, if Madara can spam them imagine what Hashirama could do. then, there's his probable his probable water style> Madara's fire style, and there's the infinite darkness genjutsu. Oh, and he can heal wounds without seals. More than enough to beat Madara i'd say.

Well. Said broky

Madara fan dont get that ems and ms are the same,ems give the user i new ability nothing more.. hashirama wood jutsu is the best jutsu vs any uchiha he can create i jungle he can make wood clone, he is water user earth user infine healing ninjutsu brute strenght like tsunade speed genjutsu, taijutsu...he was i peerfect shinobi ...

 

[LionLion]

Remember in the manga, and episode, madara said something about the fight with hashi was to gain power, it wasn't a real fight to him. he also said " not in his real words" what really did happen to hashi and him during the fight. i think it was the episode vs konan i'm not sure though

 

[Sukalotta Kok]

Madara has hash cells , Rinnegan, and is in Edo form. The Madara that fought hash before was far weaker. Madara never got to use the Rinnegan against hash nor Hash's cells against him in edo form.

 

[naruto1246]

dont question it just accept it

 

[immortal sage]

Remember in the manga, and episode, madara said something about the fight with hashi was to gain power, it wasn't a real fight to him. he also said " not in his real words" what really did happen to hashi and him during the fight. i think it was the episode vs konan i'm not sure though

if you want to quote madera then remember he said that the fight with hashi was a real fite to the death and that the fight with the kage was nothing compared to that its a pretty good complement to hashirama considering that madera isnt easly impressed

 

[xBijuu]

Now we all know that Hashi > Hiruzen, right?

A > B, B > C = A > C logic does not work in Naruto my friend.

 

[Cerox0]

Hashi was def beast. Wood Style ftw.

 

[KuroNero]

A > B, B > C = A > C logic does not work in Naruto my friend.

LOL I know exactly what you mean man. But at the same time, bear in mind part one power scaling was muuuuuuch lower than it is in part two, so Hiruzen beating Hashirama and Tobirama together means he is likely the stronger shinobi, regardless of the flashiness of his fight. Hiruzen is *MOST LIKELY* the stongest Hokage of them all.

Haha, that logic thing is sooooo true lolol good on ya man, +rep

 

[Jonbostic]

The madara that is fighting the kage is not the same one that fought Hashi!! He is the new and improved upgraded kabutodara uchirama!!

 

[BloodSeed]

A > B, B > C = A > C logic does not work in Naruto my friend.

A=Madara B=Kakashi C=tenten
A>B
B>C


madara > kakashi
kakashi > tenten
madara ? tenten

??????????xd when there's a big gap in power difference it works

 

[CDT23]

shodai is legendary to the point of fairytales... and has been ranked among SO6P him self. the Answer is... Hashirama is on a whole level of his own. it goes like this... Genin, Chunin, Jounin, Sanin/Akatsuki, Akatsuki/Kage, Hashirama and SO6P.