[VS] Hashirama cannot beat Nagato.
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Says the guy with 4 red bars.
OT. Hashirama wins. Stop using that god awful excuse of madara not wanting to kill hashirama. Wouldn’t had been better for him to just take the whole body instead of just cells.
This is a terrible explanation especially since phantom dragons would be a terrible jutsu to use vs Hashirama.
Why?
1) It took 3 days for them to extract tailed beast chakra with all members present. Hashirama has more chakra and life force than BM Naruto meaning it would take him days or more just to seal him ALONE.
2) It requires heavy concentration to use that technique. Something Hashirama would not allow especially since his mokuton can act independently of his control meaning Nagato is 100% Open to counter attacks.
Everything else is countered by Mokuton clones, flower tree world, deep Forrest emergence or SS
Uverdore9
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Nice counter. Okay I'll write mine. Phantom dragons and phantom dragons sealing jutsu is different. The dragon which consumed hanzo's men are the former and the one used to extract the tailed beasts are the latter. Nagato do not need a sealing, rather the terribly fast phantom chakra eating dragons which drain out chakra and soul in an instant touch. Trees have life in them so the dragons will wilt them and go on to catch hashirama after negating his creations. Preta path not only absorbs chakra but ninjutsu. It can absorb the wood element into the bottomless pit and nagato can use all the paths successively. Asura path is the most underestimated because of lack of feats. Shuradou A dangerous armored weapon that holds the repulsive wish for a person's blood!One of Rikudo's techniques where arms/weapons are summoned (w/ Kuchiyose) make ones own body into a weapon. To toy with the enemy through the usage of Taijutsu normally humanly impossible one can disgustingly change their shape at will. The enemy suffers a certain death blow. Summoning (again Kuchiyose) unknown bombardment weapons that have yet to be manufactured in the Ninja World, in order to cope with the opponent, different weapons are equipped to match the enemies flow during battle.*Arms increase, a fierce attack that pressures the enemy. A godsend to take advantage of the chink in the enemies armor through the use of various tactics. From what this db says its clear that demonic path is not just a missile explosive machine. It's a lifeforce eater. You can see the implication in the underlined and bold. It is a certain death blow which means durability is meaningless against it. And the machines have a will of thier own and have life in them, proof is they followed choji without nagato/demonic path controlling it with hand seals which is impossible otherwise. Going on to the next. Human path just needs a single touch to drain you of all your powers. Just like what happened with shizune. NingendouInstant communion of mind with mind!
Holding ones psyche in the palm of their hand the soul is robbed!Pain Rikudou possesses a power similar to causing the death of a human being, one of the abilities among the six. To pull out a human beings soul, is a jutsu to snatch away ones life.*The hand guides the soul to ascend to heaven. One's final moments come when the hand is placed on their head, everyone of ones own feelings/thoughts not a single one is out of reach, an exceedingly inhuman ninjutsu. An Indispensable device, in several seconds the caster will be inside ones head and be able to read their memories, on occasion to investigate a target the opponent is cross examined, it's then that it displays maximum effectiveness. Consent or refusal as it were, opponent information is deciphered. As thought is prohibited a quite fear approaches, a power that is "a work of god", it's possible to say this jutsu is taboo!
The end comes when ones memories are read, it's only natural that instant death comes to those that are useless. Its clear that instantly the psyche is taken control of. Human can enter hashirama's psyche and control his thoughts and feelings and drain out his soul. There is no defense against this. The only defense is a tailed beast inside you and we saw naruto had to put a rasengan in the tailed beast's hand to puncture nagato and was helpless despite him having almost the full chakra of nine tails and this is something hashirama dont have. It's an instant win if this happens. Next. Hell kings powers. Jigokudou It's a heartless act to manipulate life and death by calling on the ruler of hades!!The soul of the living is pulled out in-order to be eaten, this hijutsu (hidden jutsu, I.E. clan jutsu) calls out the ruler of hades. To lay down life's burden unconditionally the soul is eaten. The power is drawn out the instant the jutsu users touches (litterally to lay ones hands on) someone, resistance is impossible. Once grasped the person can only await death. Directed towards judging the authenticity of the answer to the question, the gift of a tranquil death awaits a person who states falsehoods.Because Rikudou's power is, authority over the god who rules over life and death. To let live and to kill, entrusting everything to the ruler of hades. It's impossible to resist and only a tailed beast wielder can even resist it. It drains the power instantly leaving you powerless. And the jutsu can be awakened with a single touch as it has always been shown. Hashirama's wood wont affect nagato considering nagato has reacted to V2 bee who is near as fast as V2 A and wood element dont have feats to say it can catch nagato, nagato will evade it and use it on hashirama. He can also fly in his bird and come towards hashirama in god buddha. The chameleon can also absorb the strength of victim as was shown in the manga. Nearly all of pains techniques can absorb strength and life of the victim even absorption realm as naruto noted he couldnt do anything even with his great sage mode strength and could only counter ghost realm with natural energy. We also saw no resistance from bee who is physically strong as A from the clashing lariat they shown we can judge that. So while hashirama's strength is drained and all his jutsus are being life drained and chakra absorbed infinitely, how will he be able to calculate his moves right? Gravity push can simply push any underground trees while also using other jutsu. Gravity pull and demon missiles or purple dragons and a celestial terra blast simultaneously is a no counter scenario for hashirama including the dogs which will destroy his wood creations as physical attacks only multiply them.
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Rikudou Tobi
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1. Tailed beast chakra>Every individual human chakra including Hashirama
2. Bm naruto has more life force than Hashirama that it’s not even funny. Just look at what his life force did to madara’s woo dragon.
3. Hashirama said that the SA kyubi cloak was comparable to his chakra, Bm naruto himself far exceeds Hashirama
4. Hashirama fought for one day and he ran out of chakra against Madara.
Naruto fought for 2-3 days and he temporarily ran out of chakra like almost 5 times. The only reason why he didn’t permanent run out of chakra for a day like Hashirama or Madara is because bijus have unlimited source of chakra, so they just need to keep kneading chakra constantly to supply their host.
5. Phantom dragon one touch one shots everybody regardless of who (human) you are. The only way to win is by running away.
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hashirama destroys Nagato with no difficulty. His chakra pressure alone would make Nagato’s red Hair white
Rikudou Tobi
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Yes kidgamer did. They think Hashirama can beat Dms kakashi, Tobious, One eyed RG Madara, Sasuke, and Rsm Naruto because they said 1,000 armed kanon was bigger and the debris splash coming from the ground has more firepower than VoTe2 Naruto v Sasuke.
He also thinks Hashirama has more chakra then all the tailed beast combined because he can suppress some of them with Gracious gates. Which I might add is the dumbest thing I ever heard because obito was able to control the jyubi and the kyubi at the age of 14 years old but his chakra was still nowhere near the level of a full tailed beast. Not even half a tailed beast either.
Rikudou Tobi
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He was still wrong regardless. If there were people that were able to understand this concept before the Hashirama reveal then what makes him incapable of figuring it out?
How about this for common sense.
Fake Madara is akatsuki behind the scenes leader who is the strongest even more so than Nagato (he’s taking orders from him is evidence of this too) but Fake Madara said that Hashirama was the one that beat him at VoTe at his strongest.
Now before we learned that half of the statement was a lie, wouldn’t common sense tell you that Hashirama>Fake Madara>Nagato, therefore Hashirama>Nagato?
Now that we got the whole chapters out and we got more details into what Six path powers are, reincarnated powers, Ohtutsuki powers, and biju powers are entirely with the explanation of fan translated databook. You would think he should realize by now that Hashirama is miles away from being the strongest thing to grace the naruto series, right?
Well from the looks of it, it didn’t. He’s just a bandwagon follower following the hype train.
Simple minded guy that believes Big jutsu+Empty Hypes+Big boom boom= >Everybody else.
He’s the kind of guy that if he watches HxH he’d think Netero is the strongest. If he watched db super, he’d think Jiren is the strongest.
So one track minded. I don’t even know why you’re defending him.
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Lmfao Nagato wasn’t controlling himself in that battle so that’s a terrible argument.
You guys are just trolling now.
Uverdore9
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That's not how it goes. The controlled Nagato still moves and reacts at his own full power whereas Kabuto overlooks the entire fight from his hideout.
If anything, he had a hella advantage in that fight: seeing through every attack anyone can throw at him.
Itachi resisted Edo Tensei according to Kabuto so he didn't go all out against Naruto and Bee, He could finished off Nagato with Totsuka Sword and Tsukuyomi but he didn't.
I can agree that hashirama wins but your reasoning of madara taking whole body of hashirama is also flawed.
Madara considered hashirama a friend. Even at the end he didn't kill hashirama (clone), he was talking to him bragging about his win. People blatantly state hashirama didn't want to kill madara but forget that madara had even deeper emotions for hashirama.
2ndly, madara had the plan of izanagi and hence disappearing from the scenes to work in the shadows. If he killed hashirama (not saying he could), his objective will fail and tobirama would have always hunted him.
blazekev90
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I always thought this would be an interesting fight nonetheless. People underestimate Nagato, which is fine but I can definitely see him pulling out a near death victory.