Hashirama being Ashura made no sense

[BlacLord™]

You're all just making conjecture and mis-interpreting the manga completely.

Even if the the transmigration meant in terms of talent (which it doesn't), nowhere suggests that Hashirama was a prodigy. He fought every single day from a young age and managed to survive till the post-era of the Warring States - that itself is going to bolster his power and skill. Secondly, who knows how much or what method of training he used/did? We don't, so stop making presumptions.

Thirdly, when Hagoromo talked of transmigration; he meant their chakra and will. Hashirama, like Ashura sought for peace throughout his life and believed by uniting people through cooperation, peace could be achieved. Also, Ashura did at some time in his life, "awaken" his own power, and that would be directly inherited by Hashirama.

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

Nothing is written in stone (apart from the Uchiha Tablet; and even that can no longeer be counted on).

Hashirama shared Ashuras Will of Fire. Doesnt matter if Hashi had his own gift (Mokuton). However, that said, Mokuton is still a nod towards the Yang aspect of the Juubi (the Juubi/Trees body) whereas Madara still represented the Yin (Juubi eye/Sharingan/Rinnegan).

So i think they were adquate representations of Indra and Ashura.

If you are looking for more similarities personality wise, then yeah Sasuke and Naruto also reflect Indra and Ashura.... however let's remember that Naruto is not Senju either.

 

[Vapid]

I made a mistake when I said Madara's fault, I meant Hashirama's. Hashirama's part in the failure could be killing Madara. It could have also continued into using the Tailed Beasts as weapons that are distributed for peace, that's not the true way to bring lasting peace so he failed.

Ah, then we agree on the fact that he wasn't a legit Ashura reincarnate (I also pointed out him using the Tailed Beasts as a weapon).

You're all just making conjecture and mis-interpreting the manga completely.

Even if the the transmigration meant in terms of talent (which it doesn't), nowhere suggests that Hashirama was a prodigy. He fought every single day from a young age and managed to survive till the post-era of the Warring States - that itself is going to bolster his power and skill. Secondly, who knows how much or what method of training he used/did? We don't, so stop making presumptions.

Thirdly, when Hagoromo talked of transmigration; he meant their chakra and will. Hashirama, like Ashura sought for peace throughout his life and believed by uniting people through cooperation, peace could be achieved. Also, Ashura did at some time in his life, "awaken" his own power, and that would be directly inherited by Hashirama.

Naw, Hashirama was a prodigy.

 

[Barbarossa]

I don't think that reincarnations are picked by their abilities,but it depends on situation

 

[BlackFlame44]

Ah, then we agree on the fact that he wasn't a legit Ashura reincarnate (I also pointed out him using the Tailed Beasts as a weapon).


Naw, Hashirama was a prodigy.

What an impeccable rebuttal

 

[ShinjuMadara]

I think it will be revealed that zetsu gave Hashirama wood release, because it doesn't make sense that he had it on his own

 

[Madara Uzumaki Uchiha]

I'm sorry, but no. Naruto is not as prodigious as Hashirama overall. Hashirama was actually a genius, who acted like a goofball; Naruto is a legit retard (IQ south of 70).

I would like manga evidence that proves your point. Or atleast show me evidence that proves my
Claims to be wrong.

Don't just say no, I provided clear manga evidence- please show me scans of hashimara's so called genius in action. All I remember of hashirama was that he wanted to kill himself to appease madara, and that he begged the other kages to not fight. Furthermore, Hashirama had the amazing idea to give out the biju to other villages.

 

[Vapid]

I would like manga evidence that proves your point. Or atleast show me evidence that proves my
Claims to be wrong.

Don't just say no, I provided clear manga evidence- please show me scans of hashimara's so called genius in action. All I remember of hashirama was that he wanted to kill himself to appease madara, and that he begged the other kages to not fight. Furthermore, Hashirama had the amazing idea to give out the biju to other villages.

You want me to prove that Naruto is retarded? You're asking for too many scans...

 

[Naruto hinata]

Hashirama unlike the Ashura line was a complete prodigy and the greatest genius in the Naruto universe (aside from the ootsutsukis). With his own power he is the strongest character in the series.

Ashura was supposed to be a flunky with no skill but a success at hard work while Indra had power passed down to him. But from their first meeting Madara was always leagues inferior to Hashirama.


-Even in their final fight WITH the Kyuubi and the prowess of his little brother's eyes he STILL lost to Hashirama. To be honest, it would have made more sense if Madara was Ashura because Ashura was able to
achieve power equal to Indra with the help of his comrades. If anything he used the power of the Kyuubi (consider it an ) to equal the power of Hashirama...

that doesn't make kurama his comrade

 

[Madara Uzumaki Uchiha]

You want me to prove that Naruto is retarded? You're asking for too many scans...

Or you could prove that hashimara was such a genius.

I want you to prove that my claims that naruto is an incredible on hands learner are false.
Naruto learned kage bunshin in hours, he leaned rasengan in record time- it took minato years to make rasengan naruto makes a new rasengan varient on the spot/in weeks.

 

[Kamui Sama]

Hashirama shared the ideals of Ashura with the whole unity of the village and whatnot, I think that is more important in the transmigration process than skill

 

[lanakui8]

I believe Asura decides to possess someone due to the person's heart and them being of senju origin, not because of a person's circumstances.

 

[~Sky~]

I think Ashura cared more about like-mindedness than he did talent or lack thereof.

I do agree though, Hashirama was born OP.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Hashirama was a child progrigy
Hashirama was always on top
Hashirama isn't one you'd even say had a lot of friends
Hashirama basically fought on his own, especially against madara, and seeked no aid
Hashirama didn't really work all that hard considering he was always ahead of the curve(better stone skipper than madara by deafult), Best KKG(OP by default). In fact madara probably worked harder than him just to catch up and keep up... Madara kept boosting himself with sharingan, MS and EMS yet hashi always found a way to miraculously be on the same league as him?
Hashirama wasn't even all that caring. Not even to attain power did Madara(the supposedly evil indra reincarnate) ever attempt to kill hashirama yet once hashirama was fed up, he up and kills his 'best friend'/'brother'. Fascinating.

I agree with you but the whole reincarnation/transmigration was BS anyway.

 

[firestack1]

agreed with your opinion