Hashirama And Madara Comparison

[AlphaScythian]

The senju and the uchiha fought for that whole day.

Show me those uchiha in the manga?

 

[God of War]

Madara is a more aggressive, deadly fighter. If your were fighting him, in the middle of you trying to say a corny oneliner, he would kick you through a few walls and proceed to blitz your dead body.

Hashirama is a more soft fighter who can kill if he needs to, but does not possess a killing moveset. Fighting him, he'd probably tire you out or restrict you down to stab you.

This isn't a VS thread or a __>___ thing just an analysis

Hashirama is a stationary fighter. He has lackluster taijutsu feats but a haxxed KKG. He uses fluid mokuton to move himself through the terrain that he creates. It doesn't matter which location he fights, it's eventually a forest.

Madara uses a much more energetic style of fighting, and DANCES for fun. He plows through enemies in a game like manner, doesn't waste any movement when it comes to fighting, and Ises brute force rather than analytic skill. He is well versed but not as versatile as Hashirama

You would ask Hashirama to help you take over a village, but Madara would be more useful for full scale warfare.

• Hashirama has more chakra than Madara
• Madara is more cunning than hashirama
• Madara is more destructive than Hashirama
• Hashirama utilizes more power than Madara
• By feats Madara has displayed more power and his in life, achieved greater power than Hashirama who still used his Friends to fight the winning battle
• They were unlike Ashura and Indra because Hashirama was more talented than Madara

Just a little correction Agreed fully with this.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

Then Madara commands more power than Hashirama. Not sure how you got it the other way around.

As a Juubi Jin yes. As himself, ShinSenju should be equal in terms of power

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

Show me those uchiha in the manga?

There are none. Madara did them like he did the SA

 

[AlphaScythian]

There are none. Madara did them like he did the SA

he killed his own you say?

 

[V h o]

Show me those uchiha in the manga?

Show me Madara locked in combat with Hashirama and the senju.

 

[Rogerr]

Madara > Hashirama, there is your comparison.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Show me Madara locked in combat with Hashirama and the senju.

I can show you bunch of senju with battle worn armour and stuff? Proof enough?

 

[V h o]

I can show you bunch of senju with battle worn armour and stuff? Proof enough?

You mean the aftermath proving that the senju won the battle. OP is saying Madara fought alone. Worn armor means there was a battle, not Madara went against Hashirama, Tobirama, and the senju clan alone.

 

[AlphaScythian]

You mean the aftermath proving that the senju won the battle. OP is saying Madara fought alone. Worn armor means there was a battle, not Madara went against Hashirama, Tobirama, and the senju clan alone.

Yes madara fought alone.
Madara stated that there are no uchiha that follow him anymore.
There were no uchiha at the start and there were no any dead uchiha at the end hashirama was strictly telling about battle with madara and not with uchiha.

 

[V h o]

Yes madara fought alone.
Madara stated that there are no uchiha that follow him anymore.
There were no uchiha at the start and there were no any dead uchiha at the end hashirama was strictly telling about battle with madara and not with uchiha.

What, Madara said there is no one in the Uchiha who felt that way anymore. If no one followed Madara then why did they make alliance with Madara as the leader...

I don't even like using the anime as reference, but it showed Madara with people before the fight. Madara who couldn't beat Hashirama alone, is capable of fighting for a day against Hashirama, Tobirama, and the other senju. lol what sense does that make.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

What, Madara said there is no one in the Uchiha who felt that way anymore. If no one followed Madara then why did they make alliance with Madara as the leader...

I don't even like using the anime as reference, but it showed Madara with people before the fight. Madara who couldn't beat Hashirama alone, is capable of fighting for a day against Hashirama, Tobirama, and the other senju. lol what sense does that make.

Hashirama gave mercy

 

[AlphaScythian]

What, Madara said there is no one in the Uchiha who felt that way anymore. If no one followed Madara then why did they make alliance with Madara as the leader...

I don't even like using the anime as reference, but it showed Madara with people before the fight. Madara who couldn't beat Hashirama alone, is capable of fighting for a day against Hashirama, Tobirama, and the other senju. lol what sense does that make.

Depending on translation.
Because only official leader can accept the truce beloved or not?

But you use this anime reference.

It makes total sense, madara just got his hands on EMS, prior to that what he had? MS
And we all know how fast MS burns away, sasuke killed it in 3 short fights.
All that time probably for some years madara was limited to 3t and his basic skills to stand against hashirama, tobirama and senju, using MS in extreme dire situations to survive and still was 2nd best.

 

[V h o]

Depending on translation.
Because only official leader can accept the truce beloved or not?

But you use this anime reference.

It makes total sense, madara just got his hands on EMS, prior to that what he had? MS
And we all know how fast MS burns away, sasuke killed it in 3 short fights.
All that time probably for some years madara was limited to 3t and his basic skills to stand against hashirama, tobirama and senju, using MS in extreme dire situations to survive and still was 2nd best.

Show me 1 panel where Madara was in combat with Hashirama + the senju clan. Usually leaders accept truces....
If Madara lost to Hashirama with PS & Kurama, what makes you think Madara with just PS can beat Hashirama, Tobirama, and the senju clan? I use this reference because it supports my side, while nothing supports yours. The manga never showed Madara even fighting Tobirama.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Show me 1 panel where Madara was in combat with Hashirama + the senju clan. Usually leaders accept truces....
If Madara lost to Hashirama with PS & Kurama, what makes you think Madara with just PS can beat Hashirama, Tobirama, and the senju clan? I use this reference because it supports my side, while nothing supports yours. The manga never showed Madara even fighting Tobirama.

You know too well that scan you just make up invisible uchihas in it. Yes leaders do that hence madara took the truce (is what i said already U_U)

@bold. Show me a proof that hashirama had SM when madara got EMS, you dont think he was born with it.
I never said he could beat them all but neither they could kill him when he had chakra.

That anime isnt cannon so this kind of support makes you look bad.

Madara vs tobirama was more then implied in manga lol. I cant believe you're serious.

Funny how hashirama said "if we kill you..." not if i kill you.

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Tobirama screaming "it's our chance" again denotes that madara was fighting senjus not just hashi.

 

[V h o]

You know too well that scan you just make up invisible uchihas in it. Yes leaders do that hence madara took the truce (is what i said already U_U)

@bold. Show me a proof that hashirama had SM when madara got EMS, you dont think he was born with it.
I never said he could beat them all but neither they could kill him when he had chakra.

That anime isnt cannon so this kind of support makes you look bad.

Madara vs tobirama was more then implied in manga lol. I cant believe you're serious.

Funny how hashirama said "if we kill you..." not if i kill you.

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Tobirama screaming "it's our chance" again denotes that madara was fighting senjus not just hashi.

Are there any panels to show Hashirama didn't have SM at that point? Using the aftermath of a fight doesn't prove who fought in it. Madara was shown

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Hashirama, he wasn't shown fighting Tobirama or the senju... If you show me panels of Madara fighting everyone as you said, I will rescind my point. As for the anime point, the anime doesn't disagree with the manga here. If Hashirama sent Madara a

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, then why would he come alone and the senju come together. Any time during truces, the leader and multiple people come along as back up if things don't go as plan. Madara going alone makes no sense.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Are there any panels to show Hashirama didn't have SM at that point? Using the aftermath of a fight doesn't prove who fought in it. Madara was shown

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Hashirama, he wasn't shown fighting Tobirama or the senju... If you show me panels of Madara fighting everyone as you said, I will reside my point. As for the anime point, the anime doesn't disagree with the manga. If Hashirama sent Madara a

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, then why would he come alone and the senju come together. Any time during truces, the leader and multiple people come along as back up if things don't go as plan. Madara going alone makes no sense.

How about there also are no scans of hashi having SM at that point and its logically not viable, SM requires time to learn hashi couldnt just leave his clan n get one with nature while at war. It obvious hashi got SM during peace time hence why madara was confident he was above hashirama when he got kyuubi.

Rofl you still deny that madara was fighting them. How about ill use your kind of logic and you will be the one to show me uchihas that came along with madara that they were no longer supporting to the point they were freaking defecting to senju, then i will reside my point.

Cease fire agreement is more the reason for uchiha not to follow madz who didnt take it, they were tired of war and came to view him as warmonger.

Madz came alone cuz he had revenge business and wasnt supported by his clan while senju had no such problem.
Truces dont get accepted on battlefield ffs U_U

Even if madara would meat hashirama alone at 1st its given that tobirama would come along with help as he is a sensor and wouldnt miss two chakra monsters in one spot.

There are simply more hints pointing that madz was alone rather then with uchihas yet you use anime as proof.

 

[V h o]

How about there also are no scans of hashi having SM at that point and its logically not viable, SM requires time to learn hashi couldnt just leave his clan n get one with nature while at war. It obvious hashi got SM during peace time hence why madara was confident he was above hashirama when he got kyuubi.Rofl you still deny that madara was fighting them. How about ill use your kind of logic and you will be the one to show me uchihas that came along with madara that they were no longer supporting

to the point they were freaking defecting to senju, then i will reside my point.

Cease fire agreement is more the reason for uchiha not to follow madz, they were tired of war and came to view him as warmonger.

Madz came alone cuz he had revenge business and wasnt supported by his clan while senju had no such problem.
Truces dont get accepted on battlefield ffs U_U

Even if madara would meat hashirama alone at 1st its given that tobirama would come along with help as he is a sensor and wouldnt miss two chakra monsters in one spot.

There are simply more hints pointing that madz was alone rather then with uchihas yet you use anime as proof.

I've proven my point that Madara had people a few times now, and you still deny it. As I said, show me panels of Madara fighting all of them, and I'll rescind my point. It was shown that madara engaged in combat with Hashirama; nothing proves your point. Truces happen whenever both parties decide to stop fighting. At

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point if Madara decided to agree with Hashirama, it would've been a truce- on the battlefield. Signing papers afterwards just solidifies the agreement. Also there were still people who wanted war as told by

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himself, so your point is false. Not to mention only some of the

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decided to join the senju before the alliance. Madara did not come alone, he was sent a cease fire agreement and came with people. Never before have people came alone to a cease fire agreement, so why should it be different now. If Madara simply wanted revenge as you stated he would've attacked the senju at night or attack Tobirama first, the man who did the action, instead of attacking the man he stated was superior to him alongside the clan. It makes no sense.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I've proven my point that Madara had people a few times now, and you still deny it. As I said, show me panels of Madara fighting all of them, and I'll rescind my point. It was shown that madara engaged in with Hashirama; nothing proves your point. Truces happen whenever both parties decide to stop fighting. At

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point if Madara decided to agree with Hashirama, it would've been a truce- on the battlefield. Signing papers afterwards just solidifies the agreement. Also there were still people who wanted war as told by

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himself, so your point is false. Not to mention only some of the

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decided to join the senju before the alliance. Madara did not come alone, he was sent a cease fire agreement and came with people. Never before have people came alone to a cease fire agreement, so why should it be different now. If Madara simply wanted revenge as you stated he would've attacked the senju at night or attack Tobirama first, the man who did the action, instead of attacking the man he stated was superior to him alongside the clan. It makes no sense.

As i already said, and you didnt counter but repeated same thing again, even if madz whould engage hashirama alone senjus would come and in the end madara was shown to be alone vs senju. Whole day of battle i dont think senjus would conviniently came at last 5 sec.

You say oh but there were uchiha, well show them, or show their corpses or body parts. You completely neglect that madara wasnt followed nor respected and the clan was defecting for the very same reasons.

Im not gonna drag this any further, i've countered all you got while you blindly cling to specific scans of madara ***** slapping each and every one senju while cant give me a single panel of even uchiha torn up robe at that battle.

Cease fire agreement is accepted via another letter not on battlefield, no response means war as it always has. Nobody signs treaties at battlefield U_U

 

[KingHashirama]

o-o hopefully you know Hashirama only uses Mokuton when its necessary... Otherwise he goes taijutsu and kenjutsu.

Anddd Hashirama was basically more cunning than Madara, had more destructive techniques.


ehh, unlike Indra and Ashura, Madara and Hashirama were never really "equals".

As i already said, and you didnt counter but repeated same thing again, even if madz whould engage hashirama alone senjus would come and in the end madara was shown to be alone vs senju. Whole day of battle i dont think senjus would conviniently came at last 5 sec.

You say oh but there were uchiha, well show them, or show their corpses or body parts. You completely neglect that madara wasnt followed nor respected and the clan was defecting for the very same reasons.

Im not gonna drag this any further, i've countered all you got while you blindly cling to specific scans of madara ***** slapping each and every one senju while cant give me a single panel of even uchiha torn up robe at that battle.

Cease fire agreement is accepted via another letter not on battlefield, no response means war as it always has. Nobody signs treaties at battlefield U_U

the anime > you

What you say is not supported in the manga, but is countered in the anime.