[Discussion] Hakuba vs Zoro
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Stay salty dude. It's not because he can defeat Zoro that the world will end
Zoro didn't show enough for me to put him above Hakuba yet
Uzumaki Macho
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Nothing really but Zoro didn't show anything puting him above Hakuba either and i feel Hakuba has better hype. To put it simple, i've been more impressed by Hakuba than Zoro who i find disappointing
Dude this is BS, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that Zoro has way more hype than Hakuba and has been portrayed as stronger. Hakuba got caught in his tracks by Robin and was basically at her mercy. What has Hakuba done other than beat fodders?(Dellinger included) Zoro is currently fighting a Top executive without really being pressured at all, while Hakuba couldn't get pass Barts barrier and got no sold by Robin. Zoro is >Hakuba, get that wank outta here.
This is what someone with only straight forward reading will say. When i read the manga however, i look the underneath of the underneath and like i've said, when you re-read the entire dressrosa once again, Hakuba's hype and portrayal is currently above Zoro's. It may change in the future, but currently Hakuba is written as a stronger character
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Cavendish isn't that strong dude. Gladius is stronger than him, so I doubt that increasing his power by 2x would make him stronger than Zoro.
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1- We don't know if he would have died and judging by how his ultimate move didn't killed Bartolomeo, i doubt he would have
2- That move requires huge prep time. Cavendish had always been busy either because of his underlings, Bartolomeo and Robin, giving time to Gladius to seal the entire zone, something he only noticed when it was too late. He couldn't have pulled it off in a 1 on 1. It's like saying Konan is Obito's level because she almost defeated him with a prepped move. Infact the only time they were finally about to get their 1 on 1, Bartolomeo disturbed them.
3- The fight against Gladius was Bartolomeo's fight. The simply fact Cavendish didn't have his proper fight yet, the simple fact, Cavendish is the only one from the alliance who is still uninjured without having showcased the full extent of his strength, the simple fact Oda dedicated a chapter to show a semi-control of Hakuba from Cavendish should tell you he is reserving him for something even bigger for him
He will control it soon. Oda dedicated an entire chapter(Half and Half) to set it up for a future event. Hakuba even said he was hungry of battle, so unsatisfied yet. Would probably be satisfied after a major fight Oda is reserving for him. It's not for nothing he is the only uninjured one from the alliance we still don't know the full abilities. He got crazy hype and portrayal in the colloseum, yet we still don't know the full extent of his abilities
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1. Fashion Punk isn't Gladius's strongest move, Punk Super Arena is. I doubt that Fashion Punk is even stronger than Punk Rock Fest. Bartolomeo even said that Cavendish would have died if he got caught in the explosion.
2. Cavendish dealt with the underlings before Gladius started to prepare Punk Rock Fest, as seen in these pages.
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3. Cavendish isn't going to gain control of Hakuba that fast, it wouldn't make sense. He will do so later in the series.
I agree, that was great foreshadowing and I can't wait to see it's potential when he control it. The question still remains, how does current Hakuba beat current Zoro? I'm sure by the time Cavendish can control it, Zoro would be much stronger than he was before.
1- Punk Arena only has bigger area of effect. It's multiple bombs attacking a wide area, but it's not like each bomb will hurt Cavendish. Only one will, the one situated in Cavendish's area, and the impact of that bomb is smaller and likely weaker than fashion punk
2- There were plenty of underlings. Hell even in latest chapter, we've seen once again that there were some left to try and take Gladius' corpse. Cavendish said that Gladius was walking all around the battlefield, messing with the ground(at the time not knowing what Gladius was preparing). What do you think Cavendish was doing when he was doing all that? It's a move that requires prep time
3- Hakuba showed unsatisfaction. He said he was hungry for battle and that this "war" was the perfect opportunity to satisfy his killing intent. He disliked getting restrained by Cavendish and want to go out and satisfy his fury by killing some more. The chapter half and half was to tell Cavendish will control Hakuba soon and both Cavendish will be finally satisfied after a major battle, Cavendish because he seeks popularity and Hakuba simply because he is a killer maniac
By soon i mean during this arc and i doubt Zoro will get stronger(let alone much stronger) by the end of this arc. As for the current battle, well it depends on how long Hakuba will decide to borrow Cavendish's body to fight, but i always assume that the timelimit doesn't exist
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1. For Gladius, the bigger the explosion, the stronger his attack is.
2. He was fighting Gladius and Gladius managed to set up Punk Rock Fest during their fight. There were 8 nutcrackers on Level 3, with 8 mooks in each nutcracker. So there were 64 mooks when Sugar passed out. Half of them fought Bartolomeo and the other half fought Cavendish. Bartolomeo defeated the 32 attacking him and Cavendish defeated several of them before Gladius started setting up Punk Rock Fest. So there were likely around 10-15 of them when Gladius started setting up Punk Rock Fest. Unless you think a small number of soldiers can hold up someone like Cavendish for more than two seconds, then it makes no sense to assume that they held up Cavendish while Gladius was setting up Punk Rock Fest, especially since one of those panels showed Cavendish right in front of Gladius and fighting him.
3. Cavendish is asleep right now. What is he going to do if he wakes up? Ignore Diamante and go straight for Doflamingo, and then randomly challenge Trebol to a fight?
Someone who's on the same level as Dellinger was terrified just by feeling Zoro's strength, so I don't get how that point can help you to say that Hakuba is above Zoro. Robin can't stop Zoro as he can overwhelm her with his strength and free himself.
OT: Zoro wins this.