Haku vs Neji.

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Location: 終末の谷, Shūmatsu no Tani.

Distance: go-ju M

Intent: The utter destruction of the others existence.

Restrictions : None.

I say Haku Extremely High difficulty.


 

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İ have debated this with Forbidden Technique before, my last post pretty much covers it; Neji wins:

When Naruto refrred him as a chick; he said "i am a boy".
He clearly defines himself as a male; his choices shall be respected.

About this "near S/T speed".
I guess databook hyped him to be fast as light; but it was most likely a hyperbole.
Naruto with KCM was having a cqc skirmish with Itachi in war arc. A version of Naruto that's much faster in base and had a much more version of kyuubi chakra mode. Guess Itachi was superb above S/T fast.

Lemme tell you how Neji can counter all that speed gg:
First off he can see all .
Also he can . He would be aware of anything (assuming he did not finish Haku off before ice mirrors) even he is trapped.

Also; his rection is more than enough to handle ice needles.
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^Ya i took them from DA's thread too lazy to find and i was lookin for them anyway.

And for speed:
Look how much distance the extended arrow covered:



And he was able to cover the distance when he had sever wounds (literally holes on his body) while the Kidomaru was falling from upwards from top of a tree; a shorter distance.



Are we going to say Neji can't react "cuz Haku is S/T lel"? Nope. He was speedy in mirrors; but nothing much suggests he won't be reacted by Neji at all.
And look what Haku says for Sasuke:

Haku's movements and attacks can be countered; and Sasuke at that point of time was much slower and worse in taijutsu compared to part 2 Neji.
Neji is capable of dodging the attacks; and even if somehow take some hits; .[ ]
^And he made Kidomaru miss his "target" (a vital point) by method. A perfect counter to Haku's senbon attacks which relies on accuracy.



And i do believe rotation is capable of damaging mirrors. Even a , [ ], [ ]
Even if i don't; check this out:



^^Rotation repels anything opponent throws at the user of the tech. Haku can even die over his own needles or get slammed right through the mirrors himself. Neji does not even need to "touch" Haku in order to defeat him in ice mirrors (though he can); even outlasting is a viable choice and:


^This is the another reason for increasing Neji's chances. Haku's jutsu taxes a lot chakra for him; another reason for his downfall.
Haku was still able to move in mirrors; Neji kept up with a more skilled kyuubi-enhanced Naruto (and he was wasting energy and chakra in his own fight); a 3 years older one is more than capable of reacting and countering Haku.
 

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İ have debated this with Forbidden Technique before, my last post pretty much covers it; Neji wins:
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This is Haku's speed while using his Jutsu. Look how many times he went from mirror to mirro before the
Water dropped.

Base speed current Neji is only 0.5 faster. But its pretty late here I'll make
a full reply tommorow I think, Switching to my Phone now.
 

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This is Haku's speed while using his Jutsu. Look how many times he went from mirror to mirro before the
Water dropped.

Base speed current Neji is only 0.5 faster. But its pretty late here I'll make
a full reply tommorow I think, Switching to my Phone now.
Lee who is only 0.5 faster than Haku by databook kept up and blocked Haku 2 times:
1)


2)


Sasuke wo awakening sharingan was able to see through Haku's attack pattern and dodge (after getting impaled several times) after a while. This would be even easier for Neji due to taijutsu proficiency, experience in different movesets/ and superior speed:




After awakening sharingan, he was able to intercept Haku:



And lets go to Lee vs Sasuke: Sasuke lost the battle against weighted Lee by not being able to react...And Lee lost to Neji every single time in close quarters when Neji did not even have a developed kaiten back at the time. Neji was able to compete with Lee as the one who as the upper hand, what does this tell regarding to his speed? And he is grown about 3 years in this matchup.

Plus his eyes were keeping up with gated Lee:



Haven't even brought up kaiten, but such defense can do this:

Haku gets flicked away if he clashes with this defense.
Neji can change the trejectory of objectiles by .
And he resisten to assaults even in much larger scales than senbon needles [ ][ ] [though it is slim that if Neji would ever take a component hit form Haku]
Not even mentioning airpalms.
 
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Neji would win, I've covered this before.

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Haku either attacks up close in H2H combat or attacks through the use of Senbon, correct? Well, I don't see what stops Neji from emitting chakra from each and every single one of his chakra points [ ]. With this, he can successfully block the Senbon thrown, and alter their movements as seen here VS Kidomaru, a more refined marksman [ ]; trying a sneak attack is also futile due to Neji being able to sense within a 50 meter radius surrounding him [ ]. The use of up front combat has also been shown to falter against such defenses [ ]. If he can keep this up, he can successfully exit the ice mirrors, as they contain gaps in which Naruto entered from [ ]. After that, Haku can't just stay there. Maintaining his jutsu uses up a lot of chakra [ ], so he'd have no choice but to remove it. After that, a fatigued Haku falls to 64 palms.
 
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Lee who is only 0.5 faster than Haku by databook kept up and blocked Haku 2 times:
1)


2)


Lee-kun was able to block 2 attack's

1. His base speed. this should be obvious since Lee is 0.5 Faster than Haku.
2. He was able to block a Ice mirror attack which was.

a. Not directed at him.
b. With the help of guy sensei.

If Makyō Hyōshō is activated he is able to move at the speed of light

Source Wiki; ''Once Haku has entered the mirrors, it's possible for him to move between the mirrors at the speed of light.'' [ ]
[ ]




Sasuke wo awakening sharingan was able to see through Haku's attack pattern and dodge (after getting impaled several times) after a while. This would be even easier for Neji due to taijutsu proficiency, experience in different movesets/ and superior speed:




Yes Sasuke was able to dodge at the last moment. but would neji be able to do this
In his fight he had hard time keeping up with Kidōmaru's Amagumo, Since Haku can move with the
speed of light and keep throwing needles, at him. Everything goes in slow motion for neji Once byakugan is
activated, but the same thing applies for Haku in Makyō Hyōshō [ ]





After awakening sharingan, he was able to intercept Haku:



And lets go to Lee vs Sasuke: Sasuke lost the battle against weighted Lee by not being able to react...And Lee lost to Neji every single time in close quarters when Neji did not even have a developed kaiten back at the time. Neji was able to compete with Lee as the one who as the upper hand, what does this tell regarding to his speed? And he is grown about 3 years in this matchup.


Haku could prably keep up with Neji's taijutsu speed. Same applies For naruto
who only had a 2 in speed.




Plus his eyes were keeping up with gated Lee:



This is not proof that he was able to keep up with the speed of lee.
He was just watching. not to mention lee said this was his hidden technique to
Use against Neji.




Haven't even brought up kaiten, but such defense can do this:

Haku gets flicked away if he clashes with this defense.
Neji can change the trejectory of objectiles by .
And he resisten to assaults even in much larger scales than senbon needles [ ][ ] [though it is slim that if Neji would ever take a component hit form Haku]
Not even mentioning airpalms.



1. this was not Neji doing Hakkeshō Kaiten alone this picture clearly show's he was doing with the other Hyuga clan
Member to Increase the range.

2. You're right Hakkeshō Kaiten Is the perfect counter to Block Haku's senbon/Ice needle's But how long
can he keep using it ?

Haku could keep up Makyō Hyōshō for quite some time. he will experiment with Neji and find out his weak spot.
In this case his blind spot.
Haku would be able to do this because both Kidömaru and Haku have a 4 in intelligence.

He would be able to block Neji's attack with. Ice release : Ice dome.[ ]

If he captured Neji and blocked his handseal haku could easily use Sensatsu Suishō
since Haku is able to use

Also the fact that Neji had hard time dodging Kidomaru's Single arrow. due to his blindspot.
this Make's it way easier for haku to attack from every side and thus defeating Neji.

 

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Lee-kun was able to block 2 attack's

1. His base speed. this should be obvious since Lee is 0.5 Faster than Haku.
2. He was able to block a Ice mirror attack which was.

a. Not directed at him.
b. With the help of guy sensei.

So? He blocked it and only faster than Haku by 0.5. Keep in mind that Neji owns that Lee (with no gates) anyday of his life. Gai did not help him, they striked simultaneously, nothing suggests Lee can't react wo Gai.

If Makyō Hyōshō is activated he is able to move at the speed of light

Source Wiki; ''Once Haku has entered the mirrors, it's possible for him to move between the mirrors at the speed of light.'' [ ]
[ ]
And ameterasu is hot as sun...
Kid Naruto with little kyuubi enhancement kept up with Haku, same with Sasuke. Exaggarations and hyperboles are nothing much compared to feats.
For Neji's speed; he can strike 64 times in less than split seconds:

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^^He have already seen to being against objectiles that came at high rate of striking.

Yes Sasuke was able to dodge at the last moment. but would neji be able to do this
Yes by feats, databooks and hype he is faster, experienced, much better in taijutsu and have good deal of perception. Sasuke started to see through pattern after a while with no doujutsu, less skill in perception, speed and taijutsu.

In his fight he had hard time keeping up with Kidōmaru's Amagumo, Since Haku can move with the
speed of light and keep throwing needles, at him. Everything goes in slow motion for neji Once byakugan is
activated, but the same thing applies for Haku in Makyō Hyōshō [ ]
Seeing kid Sasuke and kid Naruto at slow motion is something anyone who has decent deal of perception can do.
Kidomaru's Amagumo (spider summonings) are also come at high striking rate and Neji was able to deflect them, and thay are much larger than needles, plus there was one thing made the harder to contend with, they had threads , while needles do not have such attiributes. What suggests Kidomaru's spiders are much slower than senbon needles?




Haku could prably keep up with Neji's taijutsu speed. Same applies For naruto
who only had a 2 in speed.
What?
So Haku can keep up with Neji because he kept up with someone who is much slower than him?




This is not proof that he was able to keep up with the speed of lee.
He was just watching. not to mention lee said this was his hidden technique to
Use against Neji.

He was able to watch Lee unlike many others out there, the only people whose eyes kept up with Lee's speed are Kakashi (sharingan), Gai (experienced in taijutsu and high speed movement) and Neji (byakugan was activated for a reason, and he is also experienced in taijutsu thus high speed movement), he can't physically keep up with gated Lee, but his eyes were keeping up and his body is more than cpaable of keeping up with something chapter 20 Sasuke was able to.







1. this was not Neji doing Hakkeshō Kaiten alone this picture clearly show's he was doing with the other Hyuga clan
Member to Increase the range.

He can still do it alone, and kaiten has a deflecting force, if something/someone hits it/he/she would be effected by getting repulsed by force, so blocking Haku via kaiten would [ ]and cause a gap of time for Haku not to strike immedeatly.

2. You're right Hakkeshō Kaiten Is the perfect counter to Block Haku's senbon/Ice needle's But how long
can he keep using it ?
His stamina is higher than Haku, how long Haku can keep ice mirrors?
Plus as i said, kaiten deflects the force and makes someone retreat for a while as a result, so Neji can keep it up. Plus airpalms can work for deflecting needles.
Haku could keep up Makyō Hyōshō for quite some time. he will experiment with Neji and find out his weak spot.
In this case his blind spot.
Not that long of a time, and Neji can fill area
And Neji is notstationary, he can move and change the . And unlike Kidomaru, Haku can2t control trejectory once the strike is made.
Even if he find his weak spot, what suggests Haku can aim a atrike when Neji have speed to dodge, and even if he takes some strikes, he have shown to be resistent to assault (which inflicted much more harm than needles can)


Haku would be able to do this because both Kidömaru and Haku have a 4 in intelligence.
Can or can't...Does not matter since Neji will be able to contend with Haku anyway.

He would be able to block Neji's attack with. Ice release : Ice dome.[ ]
He haven't shown to do so in ice mirrors, and that technique is defense purposes only, so he can't attack while he is also in the dome

If he captured Neji and blocked his handseal haku could easily use Sensatsu Suishō
since Haku is able to use
Neji blockes all tenketsu points with 8 triagrams 64 palms in less than seconds, if Haku enters cqc with Neji beforehand he is going down much quicker, since even kid sasuke without sharingan avoid his ice needles and overcame him in taijutsu. Trying same thing with Neji is a deathwish.
Also the fact that Neji had hard time dodging Kidomaru's Single arrow. due to his blindspot.
this Make's it way easier for haku to attack from every side and thus defeating Neji.
Kidomaru's attack is launched at full accuracy, and a much bigger weapon than a senbon also can be controlled after it gets launched thus makes it harder to dodge. Haku does not have any of these things, and Neji have shown to blocking multiple objectiles with kaiten while it wa literally raining spikes from Juubi's strike, a much more powerful attack in a much more higher speed rate and at a larger scale:


In part 1 he was able to this:


He can handle needles.
 
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Lol Part 2 Neji? It's damn near a stomp. Neji wins low diff.

Part 1 Neji would have been a better match but he still wins. He tanks attacks that rip through trees casually. Haku's needles are not like Kidomaru's arrows at all.

Furthermore, TenTen is on Neji's team. Neji and TenTen have been shown training together before so basically Neji literally practices against someone who uses projectiles with near perfect aim and she even admits that his defense is impenetrable.
 
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