[Theory] Hagoromo Clan and Kin & Gin Borthers

[Hawker]

lol I hope the confusion between Hagoromo being Sage's first name and also being the name of the clan introduced in that Hashirama's flashback chapter will be sorted out.

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

lol I hope the confusion between Hagoromo being Sage's first name and also being the name of the clan introduced in that Hashirama's flashback chapter will be sorted out.

Well, first we have too see if his name is Hagoromo or Bagoromo, which means we have to wait for some VIZ scans. :yeah:

 

[Da Best Ever]

the gin andkin brothers are an anomaly

No differentthan usain bolt running faster than the average or Lebron James jumpinghigher than most

People some people can do what others can'tu are putting more into it

Im saying they aren't related to thesage because that would mean they are direct descendant of him like senju and uchih because senju and uchiha got something from him

U think because they were able to survive eating the kyuubi flesh that they are related to him well thats wrong and that would meantheir ancestor is his child as well but if that were true thenthey would be a part of this whole story

The gin and kin brothers were just blessed some people are able to do things better than others naturally

Also only the sage and his two sons as well as the uchiha and senju are related to the princess not everyone like u said

She didn't create chakra, and chakra was taught by the sage and when I say taught I mean he showed howto form it on their own the princess and the sage have nothing to do with chakra existing

 

[Da Best Ever]

Report me because this counts as doing it again

Oh and I dnt need to post all I need to do is read the manga and watch anime and if im banned or kicked off orwhatever I will still be able toread the manga...why??? In the words of tobi~ there are so many ways to go about things~

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

the gin andkin brothers are an anomaly

No differentthan usain bolt running faster than the average or Lebron James jumpinghigher than most

People some people can do what others can'tu are putting more into it

Im saying they aren't related to thesage because that would mean they are direct descendant of him like senju and uchih because senju and uchiha got something from him

U think because they were able to survive eating the kyuubi flesh that they are related to him well thats wrong and that would meantheir ancestor is his child as well but if that were true thenthey would be a part of this whole story

The gin and kin brothers were just blessed some people are able to do things better than others naturally

I agree with you, not everyone is the same, which means they are people with extraordinary talents.

But I see what's the trouble with you >>> it doesn't have to mean that they are direct descendants from him - like the Uzumaki Clan, they are related to him through the Senju Clan - just related to him, distantly that is.

Also only the sage and his two sons as well as the uchiha and senju are related to the princess not everyone like u said

She didn't create chakra, and chakra was taught by the sage and when I say taught I mean he showed howto form it on their own the princess and the sage have nothing to do with chakra existing

Sorry about that, it's my fault, I messed up.

Report me because this counts as doing it again

Oh and I dnt need to post all I need to do is read the manga and watch anime and if im banned or kicked off orwhatever I will still be able toread the manga...why??? In the words of tobi~ there are so many ways to go about things~

. . . :| . . . but why do you do it. . . don't you know how the edit the damn post? :erm:

 

[Da Best Ever]

If there were any other clans that meant something like uchiha and senju than madara would knw it and more of these other clans would be mentioned but nothing is said about uzumaki orHagoromo thats significant

Madara would knw

Madara would knw

Madara would knw and he hasn't been wrong thus far


It wouldn't be senju and uchiha hatred it would be senju uchiha and uzumaki hatred

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

If there were any other clans that meant something like uchiha and senju than madara would knw it and more of these other clans would be mentioned but nothing is said about uzumaki orHagoromo thats significant

Madara would knw

Madara would knw

Madara would knw and he hasn't been wrong thus far


It wouldn't be senju and uchiha hatred it would be senju uchiha and uzumaki hatred

So. . . we know that the Senju Clan and Uzumaki Clan are related. . . doesn't that link the Uzumaki Clan to the Sage, not directly of course? hmm

 

[Hikari Uchiha Senju]

I really like your theory, I hope at least a bit comes true because I'm so sick of all this Senju/Uchiha/Uzumaki thing.
Btw, wouldn't it be cool if they are also very close Hyuuga clan relatives? ^_^

 

[Da Best Ever]

Yea I knw how to edit but if I dnt want to then that's why

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

I really like your theory, I hope at least a bit comes true because I'm so sick of all this Senju/Uchiha/Uzumaki thing.
Btw, wouldn't it be cool if they are also very close Hyuuga clan relatives? ^_^

Thanks! :yeah:

About the Hyuga, I really don't know, cuz there aren't any links in between them. hmm

Yea I knw how to edit but if I dnt want to then that's why

_@:

 

[Da Best Ever]

Actually byyour thoughts on gin and kin then the hyuuga are a part of this since they are said to have originated the sharingan from their byakugan which seems right if I were thinking how u think and the evidence to support the hyuuga claim is about as much as their is to support the gin and kin claim

 

[zamki]

Well..Nice,I would say.

 

[Jarex]

i think that manga stream transtion is right. bogoromo hmm seems legit

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

Actually byyour thoughts on gin and kin then the hyuuga are a part of this since they are said to have originated the sharingan from their byakugan which seems right if I were thinking how u think and the evidence to support the hyuuga claim is about as much as their is to support the gin and kin claim

Yeah, but as we know from the history of the Naruto world, the are no connections between the Uchiha Clan and the Hyuga Clan - what Kakashi said about the Sharingan being derived from the Byakugan was just a story/fairy tale, which was only ever mention once in the beginning of a Manga that has over six hundred Chapters.

Well..Nice,I would say.

Well, than I would say thanks. :yeah:

i think that manga stream transtion is right. bogoromo hmm seems legit

Hmm. . . maybe, who knows. . . hmm

 

[The Sach]

Nice point you have got there, sir...=D=D
Actually, there is a possibility Hogoromo clan has it's roots in SO6P...And connection between Kinkaku and Ginkaku to SO6P via Hagoromo clan seems quite possible to me, but I think the other possibility is Hagoromo clan came into existence after SO6P, as SO6P himself became a legend due to his contribution to the ninja world; few decendents of SO6P took his last name and started their own clan, 'Hagoromo clan'...:yeah:

 

[BlacLord™]

Before you read this thread, please read the quote below, it's from another thread that I made around seven months ago about the Hagoromo Clan - it's not too long. :yeah:

As you read there, my thoughts go towards that the Hagoromo Clan was one of the Clans that formed the Hidden Cloud village.

Now, we learned from Naruto Shippuden Chapter 646: "God Tree", that the Sage's name was Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki, the same name that the Clan bears - hinting towards that the Sage most likely was an ancestor of the Clan.

We already know that it was said that the Kin & Gin brothers were possibly related to the Sage. And from which village were they? That's right - the Hidden Cloud village. Which automatically hints towards that they were members from the Hagoromo Clan, linking them to the Sage.

Conclusion: Kinkaku and Ginkaku were members from the Hagoromo Clan, which was one of the Clans that formed the Hidden Cloud village and one of the Sage's descendants.

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PS: If the Sage's name is Bagoromo, like it was translated by ***********, and not Hagoromo, like it was translated by MangaPanda, than this theory kinda sinks down. :erm:

Hagoromo is his first name, the clan name is Ootsutsuki. ^^

 

[NaruSasuRival]

Actually, I always thought they were a connection between the sage and that cloud village. I think the cloud people have too much intel on Rikudo without being Uchiha or Senju. They had (1) exclusively chakra manipulation; they don't even use a lot of juts, (2) they had almost all Rikudo's treasures, and (3) they had a room to tame bijus. How did they manage to be the only clan who know how to become perfect jinchuriki in a very mathematical fashion.

Also, that turtle island seems more like the grandpa toad.

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

Nice point you have got there, sir...=D=D
Actually, there is a possibility Hogoromo clan has it's roots in SO6P...And connection between Kinkaku and Ginkaku to SO6P via Hagoromo clan seems quite possible to me, but I think the other possibility is Hagoromo clan came into existence after SO6P, as SO6P himself became a legend due to his contribution to the ninja world; few decendents of SO6P took his last name and started their own clan, 'Hagoromo clan'...:yeah:

Well, yeah, that's what I was thinking too, that they became a Clan after his death, or something similar. :yeah:

Hagoromo is his first name, the clan name is Ootsutsuki. ^^

Yes, yes it is. . . hmm

Actually, I always thought they were a connection between the sage and that cloud village. I think the cloud people have too much intel on Rikudo without being Uchiha or Senju. They had (1) exclusively chakra manipulation; they don't even use a lot of juts, (2) they had almost all Rikudo's treasures, and (3) they had a room to tame bijus. How did they manage to be the only clan who know how to become perfect jinchuriki in a very mathematical fashion.

Also, that turtle island seems more like the grandpa toad.

Yup, a lot of connections. :yeah:

 

[0moi]

You my friend are on to something, but who were they allied to, Uchiha or Senju?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

The Key to the mystery is the Sword of Nunoboko:

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The exact words that Obito used on the raw is:

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オビト :　「これは天沼矛の剣…六道�� �持っていた聖なる剣だ」

Obito: Kore Wa Amanonuboko No Ken… Rokudō No Motte Ita Seinaru Kenda.

天沼矛 - Amanonuboko also pronounced as Amenonuhoko

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Based on the book "The Origins of the World's Mythologies" By Michael Witzel that "Onogoroshima was traditionally connected to the Famous Maelstrom between Awajishima and Shikoku" (p. 488)


This "famous maelstrom" is none other than the Naruto Whirlpools between Shikoku and Awajishima:

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When Izanagi and Izanami dipped Amanunoboko into the ocean, they stirred the waters forming the maelstroms/whirlpools, and from these whirlpools rose Onogoro Island.

Onogoro is literally the Island of the Whirlpools, and became the new home of the creator spouse.

And that is how the Ohtsutsuki became the Uzumaki Clan:

Part 1:

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Nunoboko was said to have created the world (not ex nihilo but created the world by reshaping it since the world was already in existence before Hagoromo's birth) and the blade was based on Amenonuhoko/Amanonuboko , the heavenly jewelled spear used by Izanami and Izanagi:

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From a Manga in-universe perspective, this could give a possible hint of how the Otsutsuki Tribe became the Uzumaki Clan

Amenunuhoko was used to create the mythical Onogoro Island which became the abode of Izanami and Izanagi:

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The island was said to be located in one of the islands near Awajishima, where the Naruto strait and Naruto whirlpools are located (between Awajishima and Shikoku)

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This is most probably Kishimoto's inspiration for Uzu no Kuni or Uzushiogakure

Like I hypothesized before, the Otsutsuki bloodline and the Uzumaki bloodline are one and the same, the surname simply changed over time, but the bloodline remains the same:

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Hagoromo, when he refashioned the world, used the sword to create Uzushio and placed the Otsutsuki Kingdom/Tribe there, only then did they assume the name of the Uzumaki Clan inspired from their new abode. This was probably done as a way to isolate them for their safety since they were the keepers of Rikudou's seals

Part 2:

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Remember the Naruto Bridge in the Zabuza Arc? the one built after Gato's defeat that connects the Land of Waves with the Land of Fire, and was named in honor of Naruto?
Well:

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Amenonuhoko - Created Onogoro Island

Nunoboko (inspired from Amenonuhoko/Amanonuboko) - Created a mythical island (Uzushiogakure)

Onogoro- found somewhere between Naruto City and Awaji

Uzushio - found between Land of Fire and Land of Waves.

So it means that the Uzumakis didn't always live there, only when Hagoromo created the Island with Nunoboko and the Uzumakis settled there did they assume the Uzumaki Surname based on their new home, so prior to settling in Uzushio the Uzumakis have a different surname which is most probably Ohtsutsuki

And that is why the Uzumaki Clan is the only clan who based their surname on their geographical location, because prior to the creation of Uzushio and prior to settling there, they had a different surname: Ōtsutsuki
So, if the Uzumakis only assumed the surname when they relocated in Uzushio, then where was their original abode?

Which leads to the second part of my hypothesis: The Uzumaki's original homeland when they were still using the Ohtsutsuki surname was the Land of Lightning:

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If you look at the second picture very closely you can see that Kin and Gin's hair were not really their hair, their "hair" along with their horns are their headdresses modeled from the Japanese "Shaguma" and you can clearly see they're merely artificial headwear since its material resembles the Sage's Banana Fan.

Kin and Gin's ancestors were probably a renegade faction of the Ohzuzukis who refused the Exodus to Uzushio

I wouldn't be surprised if Kishimoto put those headdresses on them, not only to distinguish them from one another, but also to hide their real hair color: red