Guy (no gates) vs Zabuza

ShaneEyyy · Jan 20, 2013

Am I crazy for thinking that Zabuza can beat Guy if Guy can't use his Inner Gates?

I am fully aware that Guy is very fast, however when he faced Kisame who had a 4/5 in DB for speed, which Zabuza also has; Kisame was keeping up with him no problem. The only reason Kisame lost was because he didn't know Hirudora was a taijutsu. Also, Zabuza is tied with Kisame for having a 4.5/5 in DB for Taijutsu and has a comparable sized sword that would make Guy keep a distance. That being said, Guy without his gates will not stomp Zabuza so easily, Zabuza would put up a very good match in tai/kenjutsu against him.

Also, don't tell me Zabuza won't be able to put up the mist because when Zabuza was edo and was facing Kakashi's division (which included Guy), Zabuza put it up in front of the 10000+ shinobi. In other words, he put it up against Guy and 10000 other ninja with him which also included Kakashi and Rock lee, two more incredibly fast shinobi. He already put it up against Guy, you can't go against the manga on that.

That being said, the Hidden Mist Jutsu will be up and Guy can't sense Zabuza nor does he have a jutsu to counter it, he will fall to Zabuza's Water Clone feints, if Zabuza even needs them.

Thoughts?

Unorthodox · Jan 20, 2013

zabuza is defeated if guy can fight with lookin at your feat he can fight without his eyes periode

ShaneEyyy · Jan 20, 2013

unorthodox said:
zabuza is defeated if guy can fight with lookin at your feat he can fight without his eyes periode

This post is ignorant.

He can't look at Zabuza's feet because he can't find Zabuza in the mist, that's the difference.

Unorthodox · Jan 20, 2013

ShaneEyyy said:
This post is ignorant.

He can't look at Zabuza's feet because he can't find Zabuza in the mist, that's the difference.

read the end i said if he can fight while just lookin at your feet you could fight with his close

ShaneEyyy · Jan 20, 2013

unorthodox said:
read the end i said if he can fight while just lookin at your feet you could fight with his close

No.....he can fight by looking at your feet, how does that imply he can use Silent Killing? (fighting with his eyes closed only means he can use sound to react to Zabuza)

Unorthodox · Jan 20, 2013

ShaneEyyy said:
No.....he can fight by looking at your feet, how does that imply he can use Silent Killing? (fighting with his eyes closed only means he can use sound to react to Zabuza)

he simply use leaf whirlwind if he gets close silent killing yet it didnt work on genin naruto sasuke & sakura

TheTailedSage · Jan 20, 2013

Zabuza wins Mid-high diff in the mist gai doesnt have any counters, the only thing i can think of is leaf hurricane to clear mist but im not sure if it will work

Slug Princess Tsunade · Jan 20, 2013

Zabuza wins this, because Guy has absolutely no counter the the mist.

Edo Odin · Jan 20, 2013

TheTailedSage said:
Zabuza wins Mid-high diff in the mist gai doesnt have any counters, the only thing i can think of is leaf hurricane to clear mist but im not sure if it will work

Slug Princess Tsunade said:
Zabuza wins this, because Guy has absolutely no counter the the mist.

Actually, Hirudora would likely prove to be a very effective counter to the mist. Then again, can Guy use it without the gates ?

Slug Princess Tsunade · Jan 20, 2013

6 paths said:
Actually, Hirudora would likely prove to be a very effective counter to the mist. Then again, can Guy use it without the gates ?

I think he can't use it without gates, but honestly I'm not sure.

TheTailedSage · Jan 20, 2013

6 paths said:
Actually, Hirudora would likely prove to be a very effective counter to the mist. Then again, can Guy use it without the gates ?

Hirudora is like hidden lotus, Its a gates technique so he cant use this move

ShaneEyyy · Jan 20, 2013

unorthodox said:
he simply use leaf whirlwind if he gets close silent killing yet it didnt work on genin naruto sasuke & sakura

Yet, Zabuza was about to decapitate all the genin and Tazuna but Kakashi intervened so it would have worked on them

You sound like a dumbass, everybody says Zabuza wins, deal with it and stop finding this ignorant excuses.

TheTailedSage said:
Zabuza wins Mid-high diff in the mist gai doesnt have any counters, the only thing i can think of is leaf hurricane to clear mist but im not sure if it will work

Zabuza wins low diff, like you said Guy has no counters so what would make the fight so difficult for Zabuza? nothing

6 paths said:
Actually, Hirudora would likely prove to be a very effective counter to the mist. Then again, can Guy use it without the gates ?

Slug Princess Tsunade said:
I think he can't use it without gates, but honestly I'm not sure.

No, Guy can only use Hirudora when entering the 7th gate because he can't come up with all that chakra and force without the gates, This is common sense.

Edo Odin · Jan 20, 2013

TheTailedSage said:
Hirudora is like hidden lotus, Its a gates technique so he cant use this move

You sure ? Well, in that case, I guess Zabuza takes this.

TheTailedSage · Jan 20, 2013

ShaneEyyy said:
Yet, Zabuza was about to decapitate all the genin and Tazuna but Kakashi intervened so it would have worked on them

You sound like a dumbass, everybody says Zabuza wins, deal with it and stop finding this ignorant excuses.

Zabuza wins low diff, like you said Guy has no counters so what would make the fight so difficult for Zabuza? nothing

No, Guy can only use Hirudora when entering the 7th gate because he can't come up with all that chakra and force without the gates, This is common sense.

Low difficulty is harsh and from what i understand Gai wear weight so when he takes them off He gains speed, plus he can jump really high out of the mist, Just think of the Kisame Vs gai battle, look how high he was in the air, Dainamic entry into thr ground and it catches zabuza off gaurd but zabuza still wins though

ShaneEyyy · Jan 20, 2013

TheTailedSage said:
Low difficulty is harsh and from what i understand Gai wear weight so when he takes them off He gains speed, plus he can jump really high out of the mist, Just think of the Kisame Vs gai battle, look how high he was in the air, Dainamic entry into thr ground and it catches zabuza off gaurd but zabuza still wins though

Incorrect, if he jumped into the air attempting to use Dynamic Entry, that move consists of aiming. He cannot aim at something he can't see and doesn't know where it is. It is actually now unknown if he wears weights or not because if he did, why hasn't he shown them yet? He is facing Edo Madara, the most powerful ninja in the Narutoverse, he would have taken them off......they are just leg warmers.

And sorry for flaming you the other day, but you really werent grasping what I was saying, even Icelerate told you my arguments were better. Not trying to start something there but just saying I wasnt being a retard.

TheTailedSage · Jan 20, 2013

ShaneEyyy said:
Incorrect, if he jumped into the air attempting to use Dynamic Entry, that move consists of aiming. He cannot aim at something he can't see and doesn't know where it is. It is actually now unknown if he wears weights or not because if he did, why hasn't he shown them yet? He is facing Edo Madara, the most powerful ninja in the Narutoverse, he would have taken them off......they are just leg warmers.

And sorry for flaming you the other day, but you really werent grasping what I was saying, even Icelerate told you my arguments were better. Not trying to start something there but just saying I wasnt being a retard.

Did i not say Dynamic entry into the ground? i never said he was aiming at zabuza i said the ground, if he did this he would wreck the ground ultimately wrecking the ground dramatically making it difficult for zabuza stepping on the ground, Im not basing what im about to say on manga facts but the rubble in the ground moving will allow gai to sense where exactly zabuza is (just an assuption/quiestion)

I said no banta on the other thread you started again for no apparent reason if we can agree from NOW for no more childish banta i will gladly restrain myself

ShaneEyyy · Jan 20, 2013

TheTailedSage said:
Did i not say Dynamic entry into the ground? i never said he was aiming at zabuza i said the ground, if he did this he would wreck the ground ultimately wrecking the ground dramatically making it difficult for zabuza stepping on the ground, Im not basing what im about to say on manga facts but the rubble in the ground moving will allow gai to sense where exactly zabuza is (just an assuption/quiestion)

I said no banta on the other thread you started again for no apparent reason if we can agree from NOW for no more childish banta i will gladly restrain myself

That is a poor argument. Zabuza has also immense strength, great enough to wield his huge sword with 1 hand with ease, something Suigetsu hasnt accomplished. Guy hitting the ground won't tell where Zabuza is, there would be to much vibration of the ground crumbliing.

And can you please tell me what "banta" means?

TheTailedSage · Jan 21, 2013

ShaneEyyy said:
That is a poor argument. Zabuza has also immense strength, great enough to wield his huge sword with 1 hand with ease, something Suigetsu hasnt accomplished. Guy hitting the ground won't tell where Zabuza is, there would be to much vibration of the ground crumbliing.

And can you please tell me what "banta" means?

Its not an argument because i already said Gai loses

ShaneEyyy · Jan 21, 2013

TheTailedSage said:
Its not an argument because i already said Gai loses

It was an argument about Guy being able to smash the ground giving him Zabuza's location.

TheTailedSage · Jan 21, 2013

ShaneEyyy said:
It was an argument about Guy being able to smash the ground giving him Zabuza's location.

Well im not guna pull stuff out my ass and say he might get lucky and hit him LOL also if he did this the impact of the shockwave would clear the mist

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