Guy, Bending Air or Space? Viz Confirms which one

[fastrthnwind]

Onmyoudon staff is a physical chakra that can be shaped into anything the user wishes for. It being bent or even melted [

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]. Bending space would mean in the fashion of Kamui. Gai's speed only caused a big shock wave. And lol, you clearly haven't read about Quantum Fluctuation.

''That means that conservation of energy can appear to be violated, but only for small values of t (time). This allows the creation of particle-antiparticle pairs of virtual particles. The effects of these particles are measurable, for example, in the effective charge of the electron, different from its "naked" charge.''

Bold refers to the brutal force of acceleration Gai had put in to charge with speed. Underlined refers to the air that had been affected by Gai's speed, thus it causes shock wave. Same principle as gravity.

the scale in which that happens is on the subatomic level. you cant even compare the two because they cant even be related in the same scenario.

 

[Bronze]

Ah, so many fights. Lol



Pretty good explanation. It definitely seems more alone the lines of a shock-wave being produced as Gai is moving at high speed, causing the pressure waves to collide violently.

All we saw is the air colliding around, and this happens by great deal of acceleration. It would have been on Kamui's fashion if he distorted space.

the scale in which that happens is on the subatomic level. you cant even compare the two because they cant even be related in the same scenario.

Him moving at subatomic level has nothing to with the fact he didn't bend space. If he distorted space, it would have been on the same fashion as Kamui.

 

[Apêx1]

He didn't distort space. Stop relying on VIZ for everything, no translation is absolute, what it comes down to is logic. Any rational person would realize what Gai did was not remotely comparable to distorting space.

 

[fastrthnwind]

All we saw is the air colliding around, and this happens by great deal of acceleration. It would have been on Kamui's fashion if he distorted space.



Him moving at subatomic level has nothing to with the fact he didn't bend space. If he distorted space, it would have been on the same fashion as Kamui.

its not the same because he only bent space, not break it into another dimension like kamui.

 

[Bronze]

its not the same because he only bent space, not break it into another dimension like kamui.

No, I am referring to this fashion:

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Its completely different fashion and form from Gai. All we saw is a big pile of shock wave sending everything around. Bending space would mean its moving like sound vibration, and Gai hadn't shown that.

 

[-Punk-]

Tsunade still > Gai - Your vintage ignorant wanka .

 

[shelke]

All we saw is the air colliding around, and this happens by great deal of acceleration. It would have been on Kamui's fashion if he distorted space.

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Indeed. Shock wave is nothing but pressure waves colliding with one another, as they cannot keep up with the speed at which the body is moving.

 

[Apêx1]

its not the same because he only bent space, not break it into another dimension like kamui.

Do you know what distorting space is? For example, if you have giant object over a very small object, you would obviously not see the small object as the light rays emitted would get blocked by the large object. Distorting the space would cause the light rays to move around the large object, thus allowing us to see the much smaller object behind it. It is indeed similar to what Kamui does in exception of sending you to another dimension. A star distorts. Gai does not distort with his immense velocity. Since time and space are interrelated, you would literally have to reach the speed of light to cause a dilation in the time to distort the space. Gai is not in his league to distort space time.

 

[Bronze]

Indeed. Shock wave is nothing but pressure waves colliding with one another, as they cannot keep up with the speed at which the body is moving.

Exactly. *********** is actually correct on this part. He twisted the air and it caused waves around. People are ignorant if they believe he actually distorted space

 

[Owarij]

Do you know what distorting space is? For example, if you have giant object over a very small object, you would obviously not see the small object as the light rays emitted would get blocked by the large object. Distorting the space would cause the light rays to move around the large object, thus allowing us to see the much smaller object behind it. It is indeed similar to what Kamui does in exception of sending you to another dimension. A star distorts. Gai does not distort with his immense velocity. Since time and space are interrelated, you would literally have to reach the speed of light to cause a dilation in the time to distort the space. Gai is not in his league to distort space time.

What?. You don't need to reach the speed of light to distort space. You would only be able to distory it at SOL because with that speed you'd have gathered a such an incredible mass . Gai and his chakra , according to the manga simply got so heavy, so massive, that it gained its own Gravitational pull. Every object with mass has a pull. Only when things get massive do we notice it however. It's the reason if you something flies outside a planets orbet it will be sucked it. Gai recreated that effect .

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It's a fictional manga, you're thinking too much into this

 

[Sennin of Logic]

its not the same because he only bent space, not break it into another dimension like kamui.

Bent space from going near light-speed looks nothing like kamui anyway if articles are correct.

 

[Bogard]

What?. You don't need to reach the speed of light to distort space. You would only be able to distory it at SOL because with that speed you'd have gathered a such an incredible mass . Gai and his chakra , according to the manga simply got so heavy, so massive, that it gained its own Gravitational pull. Every object with mass has a pull. Only when things get massive do we notice it however. It's the reason if you something flies outside a planets orbet it will be sucked it. Gai recreated that effect .

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It's a fictional manga, you're thinking too much into this

Nice explanation. Infact i wanted to say something similar, but the war around it was so much funny that i decided to let go but you just came and ruined it lol

 

[fastrthnwind]

What?. You don't need to reach the speed of light to distort space. You would only be able to distory it at SOL because with that speed you'd have gathered a such an incredible mass . Gai and his chakra , according to the manga simply got so heavy, so massive, that it gained its own Gravitational pull. Every object with mass has a pull. Only when things get massive do we notice it however. It's the reason if you something flies outside a planets orbet it will be sucked it. Gai recreated that effect .

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It's a fictional manga, you're thinking too much into this

DAMMIT OWARIJ! D:

You took the fun out of it >.<

 

[Sennin of Logic]

DAMMIT OWARIJ! D:

You took the fun out of it >.<

Not necessarily. Owarij does have a point, and it's a valid argument. However, the manga did not say that Guy increased in mass. Therefore, his argument is not a manga fact. Conversely, since he came up with the argument, the near-speed of light argument is no longer a manga fact. So it all comes down to what interpenetration you choose. Personally I think he's near-light speed still.

 

[Apêx1]

What?. You don't need to reach the speed of light to distort space. You would only be able to distory it at SOL because with that speed you'd have gathered a such an incredible mass . Gai and his chakra , according to the manga simply got so heavy, so massive, that it gained its own Gravitational pull. Every object with mass has a pull. Only when things get massive do we notice it however.

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It's a fictional manga, you're thinking too much into this

True, you don't need to reach SOL. I was inferring that the difference in speed was so great from what Gai actually performed that it was impossible to distort space. Gai's is considered massively hypersonic after he blitzed Madara. The Night Moth definitely did not close such a large gap to distort the space. Distorting space is seen as the only way to surpass the speed of light in the current world. Gai distorting space would cause him to go even quicker, and potentially reaching SOL. Even when you reach infinite mass at SOL, you still can go FTL by distorting the space, contracting space behind you and expanding it in front of you (in theory)*.

Yes, I know it's a fictional manga. However, the fact the manga said 'distorted space' implies something which could be misleading to some members (the one I initially replied to clearly, among others) and I am simply trying to clarify it was a mistranslation.

 

[Touken]

Physics... sounds cool now but it's all utter crap at college.

 

[Owarij]

Distorting space is seen as the only way to surpass the speed of light in the current world. Gai distorting space would cause him to go even quicker,

No movement can go faster than the speed of light. If fictionally Gai was to ever arrive at such a speed. His mass would be infinite and thus require equivalent energy to even move him in the first place , thus creating the mass energy equivolance paradox

This, among many other obvious reasons is why Gai wasn't anywhere remotely near SOL

Common sense would indicate the latter argument as the only logical and or possible reason for space distortion

 

[MightGai]

I love how people keep using physics laws and theorems on a Manga where people use magic from their eyes.

 

[Bronze]

What?. You don't need to reach the speed of light to distort space. You would only be able to distory it at SOL because with that speed you'd have gathered a such an incredible mass . Gai and his chakra , according to the manga simply got so heavy, so massive, that it gained its own Gravitational pull. Every object with mass has a pull. Only when things get massive do we notice it however. It's the reason if you something flies outside a planets orbet it will be sucked it. Gai recreated that effect .

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It's a fictional manga, you're thinking too much into this

Madara had seeing his attack coming. No one can see a distorting space attack what so ever. So, no.

 

[Stxluciferr]

Dat space time taijutsu