[VS] Guy [8th Gate] v. Naruto [RSM]

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Naruto Uzumaki (Current)
Location: Gai v. Madara
Starting Distance: 10 meters
Mindset: BL
Knowledge: Manga
Conditions:
  • No Truth-Seeking Orbs.
  • No Fox Avatar
  • Naruto is willing to fight Gai in close quarters combat.
 

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Current Naruto? Stomps lol
Can EOS Naruto tank Guy's spacetime bending kick without his Fox Avatar? I mean, the Avatar is pretty much what makes him god tier in the first place and it isn't logical to presume that he's more durable than his Avatar when Sasuke's Kusanagi blade bypassed his abdomen (reference to Shin's telekinesis abilities) and Momoshiki's Lava Rock Golem contested it and required the assimilation of Perfect Susano'o power to be split in half. You think EOS Naruto's SPSM Avatar is significantly more powerful than Night Guy or that Momoshiki's Lava Rock Golem can tank the blunt force of the technique?
 

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MG totally outdid a Madara who was superior to both Naruto and Sasuke combined.

I find it hard to believe that Naruto grew enough in ability, even if he wasn't rusty, to be stronger than both him and Sasuke.
 

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MG totally outdid a Madara who was superior to both Naruto and Sasuke combined.

I find it hard to believe that Naruto grew enough in ability, even if he wasn't rusty, to be stronger than both him and Sasuke.
Didn't Naruto and Sasuke explicitly outplay Juubi Jinchuuriki Madara though? Well feats indicate that he did exponentially improve if you're in touch with The Last: Naruto the Movie and Baruto Manga.
 
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I remember (key point, memory) him being completely on top of things when Will Zetsu intervened
Naruto and Sasuke outplayed Juubi Jinchuuriki Madara to the point that he had to steal Kakashi's eye and attain his other Rinnegan. Perfect Juubi Jinchuuriki Madara is a different story though, I still don't see how it directly effects this battle simulation though.
 
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Naruto and Sasuke outplayed Juubi Jinchuuriki Madara to the point that he had to steal Kakashi's eye and attain his other Rinnegan. Perfect Juubi Jinchuuriki Madara is a different story though, I still don't see how it directly effects this battle simulation though.
Gai outplayed him to the point where Madara only survived because Gai died out too quickly.

As in, he didn't even have the chance to get himself a power up. Then theres the 2 on 1 matter.

Pardon, i mixed up the forms.

So for me, Gai still did better than both, and here we're talking only 1 of them. What say you?
 

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Gai outplayed him to the point where Madara only survived because Gai died out too quickly.

As in, he didn't even have the chance to get himself a power up. Then theres the 2 on 1 matter.

Pardon, i mixed up the forms.

So for me, Gai still did better than both, and here we're talking only 1 of them. What say you?
I agree, except for the fact that Naruto significantly improved post-EOS. I mean like exponentially improved. We see him tanking GWR in base (composed with Six Paths Sage TCM chakras) where earlier he couldn't block Juubi Jinchuuriki Madara's Six Paths Sage Art: Violet Light Fang even with the stack of Six Paths Sage Mode (the purest form, even manifested Truth Seeker Orbs like TTJ Madara.) that def implies a clear cut disparity btw thier respective incarnations IMO.

Therein shouldn't Naruto (EOS) exponentially exceed his WA iteration per the power scale structure?
 
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I agree, except for the fact that Naruto significantly improved post-EOS. I mean like exponentially improved. We see him tanking GWR in base (composed with Six Paths Sage TCM chakras) where earlier he couldn't block Juubi Jinchuuriki Madara's Six Paths Sage Art: Violet Light Fang even with the stack of Six Paths Sage Mode (the purest form, even manifested Truth Seeker Orbs like TTJ Madara.) that def implies a clear cut disparity btw thier respective incarnations IMO.

Therein shouldn't Naruto (EOS) exponentially exceed his WA iteration per the power scale structure?
Would you say that growth is enough to make him stronger than BOTH him and Sasuke as teenagers?

That's the question, for me
 

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Would you say that growth is enough to make him stronger than BOTH him and Sasuke as teenagers?

That's the question, for me
Tbf yea. Post-EOS Rinnegan Sasuke has magnificent feats as well, like, he obliterated a meteor the size of the leaf with base chidori. If I recall, he was destroying boulders with pure physical strength alone. I think it's logical to state that the duo exponentially improved to the point of collectively dwarfing thier WA incarnations.
 
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Tbf yea. Post-EOS Rinnegan Sasuke has magnificent feats as well, like, he obliterated a meteor the size of the leaf with base chidori. If I recall, he was destroying boulders with pure physical strength alone. I think it's logical to state that the duo exponentially improved to the point of collectively dwarfing thier WA incarnations.
Hmm

Remember how their techniques produced that epic explosion when they clashed, the Thunder Arrow and RG? Do you think just one of them can match that combined power?
 

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Naruto > Fox avatar in durability anyway

Jigen/Isshiki fights both proved that in spades

And since fox avatar >>> anything Gai has ever damaged, Gai cant even hurt Naruto here

Naruto low diffs

Dude doesnt even need to actually show up either...He could sic 2,000 clones on Gai and just wait out the 8th gates timer and let Gai strain himself to death
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MG totally outdid a Madara who was superior to both Naruto and Sasuke combined.
This never happened

Madara was at no point in the story superior to a Six Paths Naruto and Sasuke team

They were literally rickrolling him even after he ate the Shinju for more power and he openly ran from them in search of his 2nd and eventually 3rd eye because he knew he had chance otherwise

Current Naruto > The Last Naruto > War arc Naruto > War arc uncloaked Naruto > Pre Shinju Madara > Gai in 8th Gate

Gai isnt doing anything here
 

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This never happened

Madara was at no point in the story superior to a Six Paths Naruto and Sasuke team

They were literally rickrolling him even after he ate the Shinju for more power and he openly ran from them in search of his 2nd and eventually 3rd eye because he knew he had chance otherwise

Current Naruto > The Last Naruto > War arc Naruto > War arc uncloaked Naruto > Pre Shinju Madara > Gai in 8th Gate

Gai isnt doing anything here
So why didn't either of them solo him before Kaguya happened?

If they were superior, how did he get to Kakashi?

And so on.
 

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So why didn't either of them solo him before Kaguya happened?
Beca...Because he RAN AWAY?

Then GOT STRONGER

Then CAME BACK

Did you not read my post????

I outright said this like three times...
If they were superior, how did he get to Kakashi
This is stupid

This is like me asking if Zabuza was superior to Naruto and Sasuke, how did Naruto and Sasuke get to Kakashi

Being inferior doesnt mean you cant accomplish a single freaking feint

Which is exactly what Madara used to escape them, he feinted them and substituted himself for one of his Limbo clones

This is ALSO directly stated

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What is it with you and ignoring things the series flat out tells you man?

Youve done it in every thread youve addressed me in 😂
And so on.
You say "so on" as if you made points prior to this

And you didnt ;)
 

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Beca...Because he RAN AWAY?

Then GOT STRONGER

Then CAME BACK

Did you not read my post????

I outright said this like three times
In this series, we have seen weaker characters try and fail to runaway, as in Killer F against Sasuke.

So please give a reason for Madara escaping that breaks the standard rule. Standard rule itself being buit in the basic logic of speed being needed for movement and movement being needed for escape.



This is stupid

This is like me asking if Zabuza was superior to Naruto and Sasuke, how did Naruto and Sasuke get to Kakashi

Being inferior doesnt mean you cant accomplish a single freaking feint

Which is exactly what Madara used to escape them, he feinted them and substituted himself for one of his Limbo clones

This is ALSO directly stated

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What is it with you and ignoring things the series flat out tells you man?
Zabuza didn't think they would go straight for Kakashi, andwhen they did they concealed their movement so that he didn't even know they were going to Kakashi.

Can you show what unknown trick Madara used to escape not one but two people who are outright superior to him, please?


You say "so on" as if you made points prior to this

And you didnt ;)
Not my points, but yours.

They all have these basic flaws of principle that need not be restated for every instance.
 

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In this series, we have seen weaker characters try and fail to runaway
Which means literally nothing to what I just said
as in Killer F against Sasuke.
Bee wasnt weaker than Sasuke he was far stronger

He beat the snot out of Sasukes entire team without using any of his full strength

And then he "lost" to amaterasu on purpose so he could escape the village

This is all directly stated
please give a reason for Madara escaping that breaks the standard rule
I already gave the reasoning

Naruto and Sasuke were far weaker than Zabuza but could still manage to pull off a feint against him AND free Kakashi

Madara vs Naruto/Sasuke is the same scenario

All he does is feint them, then run away

He accomplishes a single fucking action against

Your stance here is beyond silly

Madara being able to accomplish a single thing against Naruto and Sasuke doesnt debunk the fact he is weaker than they are

Look at the entire Sasuke vs Itachi fight, Naruto vs Pain, Jiraiya vs Pain, Kisame vs Killer Bee etc

Literally every fight with a decisive victor and superior still has the weaker party accomplishing things against the stronger even if they lose in the end

Being inferior doesnt mean youre helpless
Zabuza didn't think they
Thats what a feint is

This isnt an argument against Madara being able to feint Naruto and Sasuke

Zabuza didnt think their target was Kakashi, just like Naruto and Sasuke didnt think Madaras target was Kakashi AND didnt know of his ability to substitute himself with a clone

Its literally the exact same scenario

Try a little harder plz
Can you show what unknown trick Madara used to escape not one but two people who are outright superior to him, please?
I already have

Literally already posted the panels
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It is directly stated in black and white that he substituted himself for his clone

Theres no "unknown trick"

Youre apparently just too thick headed to be able to read it

I reiterate my earlier question...Why are you unable to grasp things the series is DIRECTLY telling you?
Not my points, but yours.
You are literally rambling right now

What you are saying makes no sense as you have yet to even properly reply to any one of my posts or arguments
They all have these basic flaws of principle
No actually thatd be your stupid replies

Wherein you prove you barely comprehend this series in every one
 
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