Gunpowder Regulation! Wait... wha???

[Darthlawsuit]

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WASHINGTON, D.C.—In the wake of the deadly bombing attacks in Boston, U.S. Senator Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ) today announced that he will reintroduce legislation he has proposed in a prior Congress to require that sales of explosive powder be subject to a background check. He will also file the legislation as an amendment to the gun violence prevention bill currently on the Senate floor.

Current law allows an individual to purchase as much as 50 pounds of explosive “black powder” without a background check, and also permits an individual to purchase unlimited amounts of dangerous “smokeless powder” and “black powder substitute” without a background check. Sen. Lautenberg’s proposal would change that and require a background check for any purchase of these explosive powders. These powders can be used as the explosive material in assembling pipe bombs, used in the Columbine school shooting, and pressure cooker bombs, which may have been used in the recent Boston attack.

“It is outrageous that anyone, even a known terrorist, can walk into a store in America and buy explosives without any questions asked,” said Senator Lautenberg. “If we are serious about public safety, we must put these common-sense safeguards in place. While the police have not revealed what specific explosive materials were used in Boston, what we do know is that explosive powder is too easy to anonymously purchase across the country.”

Lautenberg will introduce the “Explosive Materials Background Check Act,” which will:

Require a background check to purchase black powder, black powder substitute, smokeless powder, or any other explosive, in any quantity;
Provide the Attorney General with the authority to stop the sale of explosives when a background check reveals that the applicant is a known or suspected terrorist and the Attorney General reasonably believes that the person may use the explosives in connection with terrorism; and
Make it illegal to manufacture homemade explosives without a permit.

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This is no joke. Now gun control nuts are wanting gunpowder control and background checks on it. Coming soon, background checks on all power tools!

 

[Inichi Matsuka]

It's all a conspiracy!

 

[Darthlawsuit]

It's all a conspiracy!

That implies that these people are actually thinking, which they are not.

 

[cptenn94]

the idiots.....always running after getting rid of the tools, than the problem.....no matter what if someone wants to hurt people they will be able to.....ban their weapon of choice they will just get a new one.

(or get it illegally)


i hear all about ban this gun ban that gun,, but never hear ANYONE propose something to go after the issue.....removeing whatever would cause people to go mad and go on a killing spree....

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

there was a fool who though regulating silencers would tone down gun violence

 

[Darthlawsuit]

the idiots.....always running after getting rid of the tools, than the problem.....no matter what if someone wants to hurt people they will be able to.....ban their weapon of choice they will just get a new one.

(or get it illegally)


i hear all about ban this gun ban that gun,, but never hear ANYONE propose something to go after the issue.....removeing whatever would cause people to go mad and go on a killing spree....

Like disarming gangs that funnel illegal weapons, drugs, and commit crimes with stolen guns, that would help stop a lot of crime.

Lmao I don't give a shit about the gun-issue, but that picture you have in your sig is so misleading it's not even funny. You realize countries have different criteria of what classifies as a "violent crime", right? Owait. If you knew you wouldn't have put that in your sig. Take the UK for example. Much more broad definition of a "violent crime".

If you spent the time to look at my numbers you would know these were standardized figures that were sent to the EU according to EU criteria. If you believe scottland yard does not know how to calculate their own numbers then go phone them up and tell them why you know how to calculate their crime figures better than their experts. I for one will leave calculations up to the experts and trust their numbers instead of a random person I just met on the internet, I merely take their numbers and put them on a graph. You on the other hand need to learn how to read and do research.

 

[Voltron]

if "evil" people want to get guns and gunpowder they will

 

[Darthlawsuit]

It says right there in your sig that those are US crime statistics from the FBI--meaning unadulterated. Secondly, to imply all EU countries have the same classification for what a violent crime is and that the US violent crime rate can somehow be made to fit that shows your sheer ignorance on how the EU works. Sorry, that graph is simply misleading and if YOU had actually done any reading you would have realized that that is what criminologists have been saying for a while now.

I suggest you take it down because to any other intelligent person on NB you're looking quite stupid right now. Just a suggestion, of course.

You don't understand what standardization is do you? I'm not here to teach you the meanings of words so you can look it up yourself.

My graph is quite accurate, you are just not satisfied with the results. I will keep it up so any intelligent person can see the truth and not the imaginary numbers inside your head. I provided links so anyone may check my numbers to prove their integrity.

 

[YowYan]

told ye. Boston is just another hoax used to implement fear into the people so they'll willingly lay down their rights for a fake sense of security.

 

[Typhon]

told ye. Boston is just another hoax used to implement fear into the people so they'll willingly lay down their rights for a fake sense of security.

Ya, cause that theory panned out so well with the government cracking down on guns. It was so effective that the bill introduced to expand background checks that had 90% approval from the public didn't pass. The government convinced the people to support gun control, but apparently they forgot to convince themselves.

Out of genuine curiosity though, what does one do with 50 lbs of gunpowder?

 

[Strawberry]

another gun related thread guns must exist

 

[Aim64C]

Ya, cause that theory panned out so well with the government cracking down on guns. It was so effective that the bill introduced to expand background checks that had 90% approval from the public didn't pass. The government convinced the people to support gun control, but apparently they forgot to convince themselves.

I couldn't help but get a chuckle out of this.

That said - the issue wasn't properly introduced to the people, either. The bill would have effectively put an end to person-to-person transactions (legal ones, at least) and subjected applicants to a number of nondescript additional filtering criteria that would be managed (and changed outside of congressional approval) by government agencies.

It makes passing on a firearm to a kid of yours akin to trying to get a salvage title converted into a valid title. Meanwhile, the FDA and EPA have been put in charge of authorizing his application to purchase a new car loan. He finds out he needs an endorsement from his doctor and ten character references that are not family members.

I thought I supported the concept... until I did a little more reading on what the bill was actually trying to do and the reality of the current background checking system.

Out of genuine curiosity though, what does one do with 50 lbs of gunpowder?

There are a number of different things - but a lot of people will use this for black powder rifles. The stuff has a pretty good shelf-life... and if you've got a black-powder rifle (old muzzle-loaders in the vein of what you would have seen in the 1800s), you may as well buy in bulk if you can keep it relatively safely.

Other people use it (or cordite - "smokeless powder") to reload their rounds. They pick up the brass casings and reuse them by putting in new primers, new powder, and clamping a new round into place. I'm not sure how much money (if any) is really saved by this process - but the casings can often be reused between about three and five times before you run into the risk of various stress failures.

told ye. Boston is just another hoax used to implement fear into the people so they'll willingly lay down their rights for a fake sense of security.

Has the phrase: "Never let a good tragedy go to waste" ever occured to you?

If you trip, fall, and hurt yourself when you should have known better - I'm going to laugh at you and find amusement in your situation. Does that mean I caused you to trip because I wanted to laugh at you?

Benefit does not imply causation.