[Discussion] Grown up

[chopstickchakra]

Maybe "badass" was the wrong word to use because we never saw his powers. But he did serve on Danzo's team in the war, the same team that was partnered with Hiruzen's team and worked with the 2nd Hokage, so he has to be some sort of "badass".


Where did I say Obito was weak? All I said was Obito was just a dead kid who barely mattered.

You said it couldn't be Obito because Tobi was a badass(I assumed you were implying Obito is too weak to be Tobi). I'm saying if obito made it out of the predicament we saw him in he would have become stronger and possibly a badass.

 

[SO7P]

1.Obito died as a hero and now comes as a badass villain?
2.Obito had no grudge against anyone.
3.What's the most possible reason of why Obito wants to be like this?

It's like you're saying that Tobi is Tsunade's young brother. Nonetheless this is a discussion forum,after all. People can point out their opinions,whether being biased or not,with a proof or not,and you've to bear them all. If you think you can't,then stop posting or reading. This is how Earth rolls.

 

[cyberzone10]

lol why tobi hates uchiha and konoha?

Why tobi always keep his sharingan active?

Why is he older than Kakashi?His face is ****ing old

How the hell tobi knows SOT6P?

Why on earth do he want an eye of the moon plan to control the whole living thing when he died as a hero?

Obito theory is useless even when he knows Gai and kakashi

 

[chopstickchakra]

1.Obito died as a hero and now comes as a badass villain?
2.Obito had no grudge against anyone.
3.What's the most possible reason of why Obito wants to be like this?

It's like you're saying that Tobi is Tsunade's young brother. Nonetheless this is a discussion forum,after all. People can point out their opinions,whether being biased or not,with a proof or not,and you've to bear them all. If you think you can't,then stop posting or reading. This is how Earth rolls.

This wasn't a thread about who Tobi is it's a thread about why people behind their monitors get soo bent out of shape just by reading someone else's opinion on who Tobi might be. Why do you/they care about someone thinking different than you or thinking something you think is wrong? It's just immature, grow up.(last sentence not directed at you personally)

As for your post-
1. Obito didn't really die a "hero" at least not to the village itself maybe to Rin and Kakashi.
2. It's never said whether he held a grudge against anyone or not, but he did always have something to prove to Kakashi. Also I don't remember who but someone mentioned Obito's characteristics are very uncharacteristic for an Uchiha.(clumsy, late, thick-headed. He's a lot like naruto even has similar color scheme)
3. the most likely explanation to why Obito would come back is for Kakashi, kind of a f*** you I'm not so weak moment.

 

[chopstickchakra]

lol why tobi hates uchiha and konoha?

Where have you seen that Tobi hates the Uchiha? or Konoha for that matter? Not all villains have to act out of hatred, look at Orochimaru he didn't attack the 3rd Hokage because he hated him and he didn't hate the leaf, he did everything for the sake of gaining knowledge(not saying that's Tobi's motive but showing not all actions are fueled by hatred)

Why tobi always keep his sharingan active?

We don't know that it's ALWAYS active, it seems like it's always active during battles but when he was originally "Tobi" Deidara's junior, he didn't have his sharingan activated, don't you think someone would have noticed.

Why is he older than Kakashi?His face is ****ing old

We've only seen Kakashi's eyes and it's hard to judge someone's age just by eyes. Also people physically age differently, people only say tobi is old because of his eye lines(wrinkles) Itachi had eye lines was he old?

How the hell tobi knows SOT6P?

Everyone knows about the SO6P and anyone with sharingan who knows about the Uchiha spot can know something about him.

Why on earth do he want an eye of the moon plan to control the whole living thing when he died as a hero?

He didn't really die as a "village hero" just a "hero" to Rin and Kakashi.

Obito theory is useless even when he knows Gai and kakashi

Also none of those questions explain why someone would get angry by another person stating they think Tobi is Obito.

 

[Minato x]

It's true that Tobi = Obito sounds ridiculous, but just read this chapter again. It seems like Kishi gave us a 'hint' that Tobi might be Obito. (read my thread for a general explanation :

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; and please read the comments before asking something that's already been asked)

 

[SasukeUchiha910]

Why do so many of you "rational" people get soooo upset when someone mentions Tobi might be Obito? There's no reason it couldn't be, except for you don't want it to be. And for you conclusion jumpers, before you cream yourself, I do not believe Tobi is Obito I believe as I have for awhile now that Tobi is someone who's name and backstory will be introduced at the same time his face is. I also don't rule out that it could be a past character who's story has not been developed as of yet.

no proof/ weak thoery =

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[chopstickchakra]

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O.K. so those people have a weak theory, why you mad about it?

 

[Whiteknight]

Why do so many of you "rational" people get soooo upset when someone mentions Tobi might be Obito? There's no reason it couldn't be, except for you don't want it to be. And for you conclusion jumpers, before you cream yourself, I do not believe Tobi is Obito I believe as I have for awhile now that Tobi is someone who's name and backstory will be introduced at the same time his face is. I also don't rule out that it could be a past character who's story has not been developed as of yet.

Is it possible? Sure. We've already seen Tsunade say that the name Madara is more important than the actual person of Madara. This is a hint that maybe Tobi isn't who he says he is and could even be different people at different times. Obviously, behind the mask, we have no idea if he's the same person or if he's multiple people working towards a common, long-term goal. At one point, the person behind the mask might have been the real Madara, then handed the identity off to an avatar or a series of them. We've seen also that Tobi typically has short hair but in at least one flashback the masked man had long hair like Madara's. If we go by this clue alone, it suggests that Madara has work the mask in the past and the Tobi person wears it now.

We run into a few problems with this idea, however. We know that Tobi has a pretty unique eye-based space/time jutsu. We also know a few other facts:

1) Edo Madara has displayed many jutsu, but not the same space/time jutsu as Tobi uses, so it's possible that all members of the "Masked Man" persona, if there are multiple of them, do not have it.
2) Tobi fought Minato AFTER the third ninja world war. Obito had already died and Kakashi was still a young man. Obito would not have been old enough or tall enough to be the masked man during this fight, even if he took over the mask later.
3) Tobi has the same general appearance today (same short hair, same stature, sharingan) as he had in the battle against Minato. Tobi today also has the same, unique space/time eye jutsu today that he had back then.
4) Obito could not have been the masked man in the past when he fought Minato. The masked man today is apparently the same one that fought Minato. Therefore, Obito is not the masked man.
5) Obito had only one sharingan, because Kakashi took the other one. However when the mask was broken in the fight against Konan, we clearly saw that Tobi had two sharingan.
6) Kakashi saw Obito die.
7) Yes, a Rinnegan user like Madara or Nagato could have revived Obito. However, there were other Uchiha in the third world war that would have died, and there's no reason given so far why Obito alone, of all dead Uchiha, is one that would be specially resurrected and turned into the current Masked Man persona.
8) There's no indication from the flashbacks we've seen that Obito had the same philosophy as the masked man has with regards to war and peace.
9) Half of Obito's face was crushed by the rock. When his mask was off our view was obscured a little bit but it did not appear that half of Tobi's face was damaged.

Some ideas in support:

1) It is possible that the second masked man (Madara is the first, Obito could be the third) learned the unique space/time eye jutsu and taught it to Obito. This way Obito would know how to do it, but Edo Madara would not.
2) It's possible that Obito has changed his hair to look like Tobi before. He could have changed his entire appearance with a transformation jutsu, but then there would be no reason to wear a mask because it wouldn't look like Obito anyway. We know some people like Tsunade can stay in the transformation jutsu for long periods of time. Again, if Obito changed his appearance he wouldn't need a mask because he wouldn't look like himself (and taking the mask off might reveal a different face anyway).
3) We did see Tobi had a large collection of spare sharingans in his lab. The second eye that he used for Izanagi in the fight against Konan might have been a transplant, the same way Danzo used transplanted sharingans for that technique.


There is some evidence that Obito might be the masked man. However, the evidence that he IS NOT the masked man is much more comprehensive.

Sorry Obito lovers, but right now the hypothesis that Tobi is Obito is just not supported.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Is it possible? Sure. We've already seen Tsunade say that the name Madara is more important than the actual person of Madara. This is a hint that maybe Tobi isn't who he says he is and could even be different people at different times. Obviously, behind the mask, we have no idea if he's the same person or if he's multiple people working towards a common, long-term goal. At one point, the person behind the mask might have been the real Madara, then handed the identity off to an avatar or a series of them. We've seen also that Tobi typically has short hair but in at least one flashback the masked man had long hair like Madara's. If we go by this clue alone, it suggests that Madara has work the mask in the past and the Tobi person wears it now.

We run into a few problems with this idea, however. We know that Tobi has a pretty unique eye-based space/time jutsu. We also know a few other facts:

1) Edo Madara has displayed many jutsu, but not the same space/time jutsu as Tobi uses, so it's possible that all members of the "Masked Man" persona, if there are multiple of them, do not have it.
2) Tobi fought Minato AFTER the third ninja world war. Obito had already died and Kakashi was still a young man. Obito would not have been old enough or tall enough to be the masked man during this fight, even if he took over the mask later.
3) Tobi has the same general appearance today (same short hair, same stature, sharingan) as he had in the battle against Minato. Tobi today also has the same, unique space/time eye jutsu today that he had back then.
4) Obito could not have been the masked man in the past when he fought Minato. The masked man today is apparently the same one that fought Minato. Therefore, Obito is not the masked man.
5) Obito had only one sharingan, because Kakashi took the other one. However when the mask was broken in the fight against Konan, we clearly saw that Tobi had two sharingan.
6) Kakashi saw Obito die.
7) Yes, a Rinnegan user like Madara or Nagato could have revived Obito. However, there were other Uchiha in the third world war that would have died, and there's no reason given so far why Obito alone, of all dead Uchiha, is one that would be specially resurrected and turned into the current Masked Man persona.
8) There's no indication from the flashbacks we've seen that Obito had the same philosophy as the masked man has with regards to war and peace.
9) Half of Obito's face was crushed by the rock. When his mask was off our view was obscured a little bit but it did not appear that half of Tobi's face was damaged.

Some ideas in support:

1) It is possible that the second masked man (Madara is the first, Obito could be the third) learned the unique space/time eye jutsu and taught it to Obito. This way Obito would know how to do it, but Edo Madara would not.
2) It's possible that Obito has changed his hair to look like Tobi before. He could have changed his entire appearance with a transformation jutsu, but then there would be no reason to wear a mask because it wouldn't look like Obito anyway. We know some people like Tsunade can stay in the transformation jutsu for long periods of time. Again, if Obito changed his appearance he wouldn't need a mask because he wouldn't look like himself (and taking the mask off might reveal a different face anyway).
3) We did see Tobi had a large collection of spare sharingans in his lab. The second eye that he used for Izanagi in the fight against Konan might have been a transplant, the same way Danzo used transplanted sharingans for that technique.


There is some evidence that Obito might be the masked man. However, the evidence that he IS NOT the masked man is much more comprehensive.

Sorry Obito lovers, but right now the hypothesis that Tobi is Obito is just not supported.

Good logic i would only point out #2- Kakashi was a teenager during this war as would be Obito and who's to say how tall and what voice a teenager should have? #5 Sharingans can be implanted as we've seen and #6 Kakashi only thinks he saw Obito die(while I don't argue, it is possible Obito survived or was revived later,way later)

One last thing I'd like to point out to people is something I noticed re-reading chp 567(i think) titled jinchuriki of Konoha- That is Naruto tells Kakashi and Guy that Tobi has a rod in his breast like the pain bodies does(right before Tobi uses chains like Kushina does to tame the 5 tails)