Greatest self-made shinobi?

[Guardian of the Rain]

Who's the greatest shinobi who doesn't have a KG or special clan trait that's known of? Orochimaru really surprises me, he's a badass antagonist and he rose to the top with no help of KG's, chakra boosters like bijuu chakra and sage mode, or a special clan trait. But other contestants are:
Minato
Jiraiya
Guy

 

[Taiga Uchiha]

Hm......Hiruzen maybe?

 

[Invsblphntm]

Minato could be a Senju.

Hiruzen Sarutobi.

 

[burrito]

gai? i'm not sure if the eight gates are KG

 

[Pravin5]

Uzumaki Naruto

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

Hm......Hiruzen maybe?

He's a Sarutobi. The geezer naturally gets to learn A and S rank techniques much faster than non-Sarutobi's

 

[Killer B]

Easily Minato.....he worked to get everything he had....also Hiruzen but he came from a well known clan

 

[BasedNaruto]

Finally.! A thread not about this weeks chapter lol.

I think Gai wins the impressivness in this thread.

 

[Joon]

Why? What should they be consider even better.

 

[Taiga Uchiha]

He's a Sarutobi. The geezer naturally gets to learn A and S rank techniques much faster than non-Sarutobi's

Ahh true, thanks-Than maybe......Gai

 

[Taiga Uchiha]

No wait 3rd Raikage O_O

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

gai? i'm not sure if the eight gates are KG

Oh yeah. Great answer! But, of course Guy doesn't compete with Minato, Jiraiya and Oro

Uzumaki Naruto

Ummm you're kidding right? He naturally has a massive amount of chakra and help from Kurama......

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

Why? What should they be consider even better.

I say they should have more respect

No wait 3rd Raikage O_O

Okay, sure. But, it's sketchy how A just happens to have the same type of arsenal. I'm sure there's a bloodline ability there somewhere, but who knows?

Finally.! A thread not about this weeks chapter lol.

I think Gai wins the impressivness in this thread.

Lol, well all the talk about Orochimaru gave me the idea of making this thread.

 

[ThirdHokage]

Honestly Kisame lol XD

 

[Level77Art]

Why? What should they be consider even better.

Every ****ing thread I've ever ****ing saw you in, you have some **** shit to say. You sir are a ****ing douche nozzle...

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

Honestly Kisame lol XD

Okay, I'll give you that. But, Samehada is restricted, being that it's now really his or apart of him

 

[htmwall]

dude this thread screams MINATO!U_U

 

[Pravin5]

Ummm you're kidding right? He naturally has a massive amount of chakra and help from Kurama......

Strongest TALK-NO JUTSU user isnt that Enough even a rinnegan cant compare to Naruto's TALK-NO JUTSU.
And its Self-made Jutsu Believe IT

 

[Level77Art]

Strongest TALK-NO JUTSU user isnt that Enough even a rinnegan cant compare to Naruto's TALK-NO JUTSU.
And its Self-made Jutsu Believe IT

Lmao.

 

[Ultimatevirus]

or hiruzen sarutobi... i dont know if he has any kg?