Part 1 Genin Sakura confirmed brightest in the village. That means brighter than everyone, including Shikamaru, top jonin, the hokage, etc.shikimaru > sakura
She said that Tobi can remove himself and his bodyparts at will (which is not completely true to begin with). On the other hand Kakashi figured it was a space_time ninjutsu which has an own dimension, his bodyparts move to said dimension only when they are gone through by an object (so not at will like Sakura speculated) but he can make himself tangible at will. Moreso Kakashi realized that intangibility and absorbiation of objects belongs to the same jutsu which, in addition, is connected to Kakashis jutsu. Afterwards he executed a working plan to materalise his theory. So the two cases are barely comparable in my opinion.I hope you realize that Sakura figured out the real Kamui mechanics before Kakashi, without as much intel, and more thoroughly than Minato.
at the expense of other's effort to fight him while she lazy a$$ stood there and observe :lolI hope you realize that Sakura figured out the real Kamui mechanics before Kakashi, without as much intel, and more thoroughly than Minato.
They didn't have the opportunity to allow Naruto to do so.
Itachi was busy discussing about how he managed to use Kotoamatsukami and what Itachi's intentions and hopes were in regards to Sasuke. There wasn't any time to relay any information at all and it's simply pure conjecture to suggest otherwise.
False information, itachi didn't get any information on nagato from Naruto at all. Once itachi broke Edo tensei with ka crow he left or we all thought he left but he hid in the shadows deducing the mechanics behind the 6 paths jutsu's. At the same time naruto was still just now figuring out that all the jutsu's nagato was doing the 6 paths of pain did.I think Naruto had relayed all the necessary info., all Itachi did was to use his abilities to counter it keeping in mind that Nagato is immobilized...
That's isn't an impressive analytical feat except well, made up one...
Before the chuunin exams no such feat counts because once kakashi saw Shikamaru he and everyone else said he was the most brilliant and even naruto said he was smarter than kakashi who was smarter than sakura and even hiruzen said Shikamaru was a genius and future general or advisor to a hokage.Part 1 Genin Sakura confirmed brightest in the village. That means brighter than everyone, including Shikamaru, top jonin, the hokage, etc.
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Shikamaru has an iq of over 200 (so at least 201)
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So we can safely assume that Sakura's IQ is well over 202.
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I can't deny manga facts.
Kakashi admitted to being intellectually inferior to part 1 genin Sakura by calling her "the brightest in the village". You can't just ignore a part of the manga because it suits your narrative.Before the chuunin exams no such feat counts because once kakashi saw Shikamaru he and everyone else said he was the most brilliant and even naruto said he was smarter than kakashi who was smarter than sakura and even hiruzen said Shikamaru was a genius and future general or advisor to a hokage.
Even neji was dubbed a a genius which is why he and Shikamaru both lost their chuunin exam fights but we're the only 2 to be promoted because if their tactical and analytical skills in battle exceeded all others an for neji going straight to genin meant he was on par with jonins
@bold: That's exactly how it works, dude... :|She said that Tobi can remove himself and his bodyparts at will (which is not completely true to begin with). On the other hand Kakashi figured it was a space_time ninjutsu which has an own dimension, his bodyparts move to said dimension only when they are gone through by an object (so not at will like Sakura speculated) but he can make himself tangible at will. Moreso Kakashi realized that intangibility and absorbiation of objects belongs to the same jutsu which, in addition, is connected to Kakashis jutsu. Afterwards he executed a working plan to materalise his theory. So the two cases are barely comparable in my opinion.
Please. Minato knew nothing about it other than the fact that he has to be solid to absorb people. He didn't know the jutsus were the same, he didn't know that he didn't use "intangibility," he didn't know that he removed parts of his body from that S/T, and he actually saw it in action.at the expense of other's effort to fight him while she lazy a$$ stood there and observe :lol
Minato figured out right away without anything else :lol
Bold is not true. After a "single instance" of seeing it , she first thought it was some kind of genjutsu or clone. Then after a second instance she thought it was a shunshin no jutsu which Shino refused. Then after the group realized that their attacks went right through Tobi, his chakra just completely disappeared and it was some kind of space-time jutsu , did Sakura say that he can remove his body parts at will (which again, is not completely true) ,and its obviously a thought that doesn't require a lot of brainwork. And moreso, her thought doesn't lead to a way that counters Kamui or exploit some weakness of it or anything. It didn't help them at all.@bold: That's exactly how it works, dude... :|
And Sakura didn't own the other half of the jutsu, which was instrumental in figuring out how the jutsu operated. The semantics are meaningless, she knew exactly how the jutsu operated from a single instance of viewing it with literally no info. If you remember, Kakashi was absolutely wrong in his observation at that time, and it took direct confrontation, first hand experience, and the accompanying jutsu just to confirm what Sakura already speculated.
That was Sakura's feat. She figured it out almost completely by comparison. It took Kakashi 200 chapters to actually connect the dots. Minato's feat wasn't impressive either as Fuu and Torune did it much more quickly and figured out most of the mechanics as well. Even they couldn't completely desipher it at Sakura's level.None of that is intelligence feat...
- Kakashi working out Kamui's mechanics, deducing Deva's 5 sec tactical window, etc..
- Sasuke deducing Deidara's clay's nature, working out Izanagi's working, etc...
- Minato deducing the tactical window in Kamui's intangibility...
These are some.
Honestly, Shikamaru is all hype. His intelligence feats are shit tier compared to Itachi, Sasuke, Kakashi, Tobirama, Orochimaru, Kabuto, Neji and even Sakura. Don't know what's so special about him. It's just hyperbole from the manga that's never backed up. His deducation skills during Pein's assault were abysmal.Sakura is intelligent, definitely genius level but Shikamaru has a higher IQ but she's the most intelligent female charter.
Generational list:
Sasuke
Shikamaru
Sakura
Neji
Ect...
That is how desiphering works. Kakashi started guessing Tobi's tech as well. That doesn't make him stupid. All you are doing is playing with semantics. Fact remains, Kakashi did jack there. It took him 200 chapters to figure out that the eyes are connected. That's ace analyses right there.Bold is not true. After a "single instance" of seeing it , she first thought it was some kind of genjutsu or clone. Then after a second instance she thought it was a shunshin no jutsu which Shino refused. Then after the group realized that their attacks went right through Tobi, his chakra just completely disappeared and it was some kind of space-time jutsu , did Sakura say that he can remove his body parts at will (which again, is not completely true) ,and its obviously a thought that doesn't require a lot of brainwork. And moreso, her thought doesn't lead to a way that counters Kamui or exploit some weakness of it or anything. It didn't help them at all.
On the other hand, Kakashi's thought that its an eye jutsu that is connected to his own, moreso it sends his bodyparts to the same dimension , directly helped them to counter Kamui (same as Minato's strategy that lead him a way to counter). Sakura not owning Kakashi's Kamui is not relevant because we don't know if she could have made the same conclusion after seeing the scar on Obito's mask as Kakashi could, not to mention Kakakshi pointed out that Obito's bodyparts doexist in an another dimension as physical objects, in other words they can hurt him if they send their attacks there. Sakura's lack of knowledge is irrelevant to this thread because you have to prove that she were able to make the same conclusion as Kakashi to counter Kamui.
In their first encounter with Tobi they didn't even know it was an eye technique. Kakashi's guess that its one jutsu lead to the conclusion that phasing is an eye technique because Tobi used his eye to absorb objects.That is how desiphering works. Kakashi started guessing Tobi's tech as well. That doesn't make him stupid. All you are doing is playing with semantics. Fact remains, Kakashi did jack there. It took him 200 chapters to figure out that the eyes are connected. That's ace analyses right there.
The point is that it was figured out as to how it works. Sakura did almost everything. It wouldn't hurt you to give the credit where it is due. Kakashi's last analysis is like getting hold of the last bit of the monkey's tail; the full monkey was caught by Sakura.In their first encounter with Tobi they didn't even know it was an eye technique. Kakashi's guess that its one jutsu lead to the conclusion that phasing is an eye technique because Tobi used his eye to absorb objects.
Again, what Sakura said that his body parts are removed is no way a capable basis to develop a counter strategy against the phasing.The point is that it was figured out as to how it works. Sakura did almost everything. It wouldn't hurt you to give the credit where it is due. Kakashi's last analysis is like getting hold of the last bit of the monkey's tail; the full monkey was caught by Sakura.