Great hypocrisy, Narutobase.

[Darth Uchiha]

If you can't figure out the difference between a real mass murderer and a fictional one, I pity you.

 

[Chie]

Emphasis "yet." Yes, he killed over a hundred students who had been trained to be murderous killers and were about to butcher themselves anyway, along with himself soon, thus the ritual stopped, thus preventing countless more children from killing themselves and becoming murders. It's what you call a revolution. He also attempted to assassinate Yagura who was believed to be behind the whole thing for revenge.

Yes, the emphasis is "yet". He wasn't even supposed to carry on the ritual yet.

He killed more than any other student had in the past (whilst not being a student or needing to participate at the time) for revolution? He knew the practice would be stopped if he did that? I need to reread his story then, my memory has failed me if that's the case.

No, you don't know anything about Zabuza. He was deluding himself the whole time. He was just a scared kid. You really think her took Haku for his strength? My god the demon of the mist lost his nerve when fighting Kakashi after Haku died and he wound up crying his eyes out. He didn't consider Haku his weapon, he considered him like his brother and like his younger self because as Haku said himself, they were just the same. Scared little kids who had lost their innocence. You believe Zabuza was an evil child? People are products of their environment. The blood mist were ravenous murderers and that was all he knew how to be and how to survive. By taking pre-emptive action to protect himself and the future children of Kirigakure and putting himself at the top to be strong. He believed in survival of the fittest, not that horseshit "amusement" you dub it as.

This has nothing to do with when he was a kid. I also just found him to be a villain with a good redemption. I don't think he's a saint, nor inherently evil.

People didn't think the sengoku era, the french and american revolutions, world wars 1 and 2 among other conflicts were "cool," but they happened and they saved far more lives than they took. Shit happens Chie. You can't blame a five or six year old who has barely even been born for the immorality of his village, just as you can't blame the kids Kony kidnapped for the shit he put them through and the things they did. People can control their actions, but children cannot control their environments.

@bold- Really?

@red- Later on in your reply you made sure to say "it's only fiction after all". When reading fiction, we should keep in mind the context. This is a series were it's dandy for a 4 year old to go to war and they're held accountable for their actions. Blaming them is expected. Yes, a child does not control the environment. However, they still choose whether or not to carry out the immoralties present where they live, depending on the resulting benefits/consequences and what they see fit.

Causing the practice to stop and saving far more lives doesn't benefit anything? Clearly you haven't thought things through.

I don't recall him killing 100+ with the intention of ending the practice. I'll reread his story.

Well, I found him to be realistic and inspirational. Perhaps that's why I understand him more than yourself. Don't worry, I won't go "shoot or stab people up!" Lols. It's only fiction after all.

No one even implied you'd do that in the least. We all know it's fiction. :/

I found it interesting since we got to discuss an old, classic character for once rather than the same crappy vs. garbage that doesn't even belong in this section lols. I find you believing trolling to be humorous, "silly."

No, we really didn't and the op wasn't serious when he made that post. real life =/= shounen fiction at all.

Trolling is meant to be funny, that's somewhat of the point.

Seeing as this isn't really going anywhere, I won't be replying anymore. Have a nice day.

 

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[SkyGodHorus]

Yes, the emphasis is "yet". He wasn't even supposed to carry on the ritual yet.

So he was supposed to just sit around with his thumb up his ass waiting for it to happen and for he to likely be killed? Right.

He killed more than any other student had in the past (whilst not being a student or needing to participate at the time) for revolution? He knew the practice would be stopped if he did that? I need to reread his story then, my memory has failed me if that's the case.

It isn't stated so far as I know why he did it. It only shows him curled up into a ball like he is scared. It's what you call a plot device left open for interpretation.

I've made my status on the bold and I'm done discussing it, especially if you're just going to repeat it over and over.

This has nothing to do with when he was a kid.

Well, tough. That's what we've been discussing the whole. He was a child when he did it. If you're not going to accept that logic, well...

@bold- Really?

I'm not in the mood to be patronized, so if you have nothing to retort with other than, "really" or "seriously," drop it.

@red- Later on in your reply you made sure to say "it's only fiction after all". When reading fiction, we should keep in mind the context. This is a series were it's dandy for a 4 year old to go to war and they're held accountable for their actions.

If that's your belief. Naruto, Konohamaru and all the K11 got a nice teacher, a peaceful village and sparred with their friends. Zabuza was born into a murderous, war-mongering village, with no moral role models, where he was ultimately going to be forced into mortal combat against all the other kids.

Blaming them is expected.

You don't know what's expected. It's your own subjective viewpoint with nothing to support it. Not facts. You've likely never been in a war and were born in a time of peace in a peaceful place from your tone, never knowing what a medieval/archaic wartorn society is actually like from the inside.

Yes, a child does not control the environment. However, they still choose whether or not to carry out the immoralties present where they live, depending on the resulting benefits/consequences and what they see fit.

Yes, and if I had been in Zabuza's shoes and knew where mine and countless others' fates were headed, I would have done something about it as well. Crazy, huh? Perhaps you've never heard of the neanderthals? You know how we beat them? I'll give you a clue: we didn't just sit around hiding in caves and underground like scared little puppies. A great comparison to this would be zaraki, who was like a feral wolf when Unohana found him, being that he was raised in the most crime ridden district in SS, and as an orphan, to survive, he had to kill all those who tried to kill him throughout his life. The blood mist had no morality. What are you mumbling about?

I don't recall him killing 100+ with the intention of ending the practice. I'll reread his story.

Intention or no, it happened. And they called his assassination attempt on Yagura a coup, which implies revolution. You think Zabuza was simply after power? The guy was a mercenary and actually apologized for having to go after Tazuna.

No, we really didn't and the op wasn't serious when he made that post. real life =/= shounen fiction at all.

Well, guess we made it interesting. Yes, I know this. I was the one who said it, remember?

Trolling is meant to be funny, that's somewhat of the point.

Trolling isn't funny, it's retarded and a waste of time.