Gotei 12 could solo NV. Confirmed

[P3ĮÑ]

I understand your point. But Kishi and his assistants do not use calcs when they draw. That's why those number of yours can't be for sure. They draw going by their feelings and that's hardly reliable. Given them a second opportunity to draw the scene, they would have drawn it differently.

I know that, speed calc's are usually done, why? Because u can't tell speed feats to determined extent, that's why people scale, to get a grip on the speed, I mean even I can say bleach characters are faster then dbz cause they look like it, and seem faster, making u faster then they eye doesn't qualify speed feats or neither does it make u LUL fast, that's not how it works.. It's more reliable when ur comparing speed feats against different verses.

 

[itachiuchiha21]

isnt bleach that anime where everyone runs around with a sword, well totsuka sword solos

 

[raziel777]

I know that, speed calc's are usually done, why? Because u can't tell speed feats to determined extent, that's why people scale, to get a grip on the speed, I mean even I can say bleach characters are faster then dbz cause they look like it, and seem faster, making u faster then they eye doesn't qualify speed feats or neither does it make u LUL fast, that's not how it works.. It's more reliable when ur comparing speed feats against different verses.

Some speed feats are quantifiable but most aren't. We usually are not give timeframe or the correct distance. A mangaka could draw something and when we use calcs we get XX kms but when he releases his official handbook, he puts YY as the distance. That's what I mean

The manga pages that I have quoted. How could the shinobi alliance see the TBBs being fire if they were going at 6900 k/s and they were at 5 kms max from it. They should have been instanly obliterated. That close, the TBBs should have been near instant.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

isnt bleach that anime where everyone runs around with a sword, well totsuka sword solos

Itachi gets solo'd by Yamamoto

 

[itachiuchiha21]

Itachi gets solo'd by Yamamoto

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stop putting weird looking guys and old guys against itachi

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[raziel777]

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stop putting weird looking guys and old guys against itachi

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He's right though

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Unohana solo's.

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Damn straight!!!!!!!


She has Kido that heals on the level above the Naruto healers.



Also, no, Genjutsu doesn't effect people outside of the Narutoverse because they DON'T HAVE CHSKRA NETWORKS which is required to use genjutsu. Even IF they could be seen, Bleach wrecks Naruto. Not all of them are running around blowing up mountains, but their focused power simply gets the job done.



I mean what character in Naruto CAN TOUCH Barragan?! Not even Minato could take on Staark..... Just lines up his pistols and blows everything up.


Aizen makes them kill each other


Yamamoto just burned them and starts "Edo tensei'ing" them with Zanka no Tachi South.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Some speed feats are quantifiable but most aren't. We usually are not give timeframe or the correct distance. A mangaka could draw something and when we use calcs we get XX kms but when he releases his official handbook, he puts YY as the distance. That's what I mean

Yeah, that's why I said we use both, high ends for shorter time frame, and low ends for a higher time frame, scaling distance using pixels, by measuring a certain object, like a character etc and use it for distance, or even maps, and free fall simulators, to actually do get a good grasp of their speed. The original writer will not do this, I'm not even sure he can, that's why it's done, to scale speed. It's done on NF, OBD, MvC and animevice, it's done all over, calc's can vary, but I use the accepted ones from the OBD.

The manga pages that I have quoted. How could the shinobi alliance see the TBBs being fire if they were going at 6900 k/s and they were at 5 kms max from it. They should have been instanly obliterated. That close, the TBBs should have been near instant.

Like I said it can vary, the TBB created by Juubi which crossed a massive distance has the scale, the other part of it throwing around casual TBBS can vary among speed, since a casual TBB is Mach 143.

 

[raziel777]

Yeah, that's why I said we use both, high ends for shorter time frame, and low ends for a higher time frame, scaling distance using pixels, by measuring a certain object, like a character etc and use it for distance, or even maps, and free fall simulators, to actually do get a good grasp of their speed.



Like I said it can vary, the TBB created by Juubi which crossed a massive distance has the scale, the other part of it throwing around casual TBBS can vary among speed, since a casual TBB is Mach 143.

My issue with you was the "debated and accepted" part lol I don't agree at all. Plausible speed would be better.

@bold

My point again. It's too abstract to quantify.

Bullet speed is 1.2 k/s or so (fastest one) and you see how sniping works. To us, it looks instant. Now think about it, a "casual" TBB is mach 143 (52 k/s) there is no way anyone could see those TBB coming, even at that speed (the fodders, not the Minati/Tobirama/Sharingan bunch; the casual observers) They are faster then sniping. And they were really close by

And calling the TBBs casual is so subjective. They are all the same. How you differentiate a casual one from a serious one ?

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

I'm pretty sure Barragan, Aizen and Komamura would die if they break down at an atomic level by quadruple Juubi superbombs. You have to take into account NLF.

Hogyoku Aisen had a quarter of his body obliterated and recovered like nothing happened.

Yamamoto has the lower od the sun... > than any attack in Naruto TBH.

Barragan manipulates time. The Bijuudama would die before detonation.

Juubito can separate the juubi from his body.....so he can make an infinite number of clones to go an defeat the 7th espada.

And like I said in my first comment, if you cross over the two worlds....then Reiatsu would have to be Chakra, which means that reiatsu based attacks won't work on him or any rinnegan user.


And the Rikuduou Sennin, an omnipotent figure in NV, has creation of all things, so hypothetically he can make a clone of every Bleach character or replicate their power and use it against the Bleach Universe.

Actually no it doesn't. I don't recall the crossover of DBZ, Toriko, and OP making everyone use Ki or suddenly they had a DF.

Making them have chakra means you'd be putting a chakra network in their bodies that they don't have: effectively changing the character.



Bleach is unaffected by Genjutsu



Finally, Hagoromo can't create copies of them. The only life he's made were the Bijuu in which he converted the Juubi into 9 life forms. Even if he made life, they'd be restricted to Naruto based existences which makes them useless against the 13 Court Guard Squads...

 

[P3ĮÑ]

My issue with you was the "debated and accepted" part lol I don't agree at all. Plausible speed would be better.

@bold

My point again. It's too abstract to quantify.

Bullet speed is 1.2 k/s or so (fastest one) and you see how sniping works. To us, it looks instant. Now think about it, a "casual" TBB is mach 143 (52 k/s) there is no way anyone could see those TBB coming, even at that speed (the fodders, not the Minati/Tobirama/Sharingan bunch; the casual observers) They are faster then sniping. And they were really close by

And calling the TBBs casual is so subjective. They are all the same. How you differentiate a casual one from a serious one ?

It was actually, it was agreed upon, well ok.

And in the scan, they breifly noticed it was fired, and I never saw them like dodging or doing anything, just cuase the noticed it breifly, it was fired! doesnt mean the fodders have mach 143 or sub releatvitic reactions, there is a diffrence between the size of a bullet and a tbb, it is at least higger/bigger then the juubi itself, a fan going at 300m per hour is blurry to the naked eye, while u can clearly observe a car going at that speed, even a jet of Mach 7 speed can be somewhat observed by a normal human eye, planes that can travel at supersonic can also be seen, something casually is done instantly, without being charged or in a rather quick time frame. I'm guessing it was a Casual TBB.

 

[raziel777]

It was actually, it was agreed upon, well ok.

And in the scan, they breifly noticed it was fired, and I never saw them like dodging or doing anything, just cuase the noticed it breifly, it was fired! doesnt mean the fodders have mach 143 or sub releatvitic reactions, there is a diffrence between the size of a bullet and a tbb, it is at least higger/bigger then the juubi itself, a fan going at 300m per hour is blurry to the naked eye, while u can clearly observe a car going at that speed, something casually is done instantly, without being charged or in a rather quick time frame. I'm guessing it was a Casual TBB.

I don't think the size matters that much when it comes to speed. You wouldn't notice a car going by you at mach 143 as much as you wouldn't notice a bullet at the same speed. You know, just like people can't see Flash when he runs.

The fact that they noticed it is evidence enough. And also, they were really close. That's like shooting someone at close range. They actually can't react until they've been shot. Because it's just too much.

Could you link me those guys that made the calcs ? I may not agree but they are interesting

 

[P3ĮÑ]

I don't think the size matters that much when it comes to speed. You wouldn't notice a car going by you at mach 143 as much as you wouldn't notice a bullet at the same speed. You know, just like people can't see Flash when he runs.

Well size actually does matter, cause the human eye itself can actually observe at least hypersonic traveling jet planes somewhat. And the people and shinobi in naruto are peak humans to superhumans, the fodders are at least supersonic, depending if they can use shunshin.

Could you link me those guys that made the calcs ? I may not agree but they are interesting

It's on Narutoforums, I can't link u it'll count as advertisement, I got infracted previously. Well I have the Mach 23 calc for ichigo outpacing byakuya's Bankai. If ur interested?

 

[raziel777]

Well size actually does matter, cause the human eye itself can actually observe at least hypersonic traveling jet planes somewhat. And the people and shinobi in naruto are peak humans to superhumans, the fodders are at least supersonic, depending if they can use shunshin.

Yeah but hypersonic now is hardly mach 7 so.. Mach 143 is a lot more than that

It's on Narutoforums, I can't link u it'll count as advertisement, I got infracted previously. Well I have the Mach 23 calc for ichigo outpacing byakuya's Bankai. If ur interested?

You bet I am. I still can't get over that loss lol Thanks man

 

[P3ĮÑ]

And not to mention movement speed in naruto is still at best Mach 143, unless there's a new quantifiable scaling. Only the Juubi attack speed had that scaling.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Yeah but hypersonic now is hardly mach 7 so.. Mach 143 is a lot more than that



You bet I am. I still can't get over that loss lol Thanks man

Yeah, I suppose, the TBBS were bigger then the Juubi, who made the hachibi look like an ant. I guess it's accountable.

Well, do u want me to post it here? Or I can VM you

 

[raziel777]

Yeah, I suppose, the TBBS were bigger then the Juubi, who made the hachibi look like an ant. I guess it's accountable.

Well, do u want me to post it here? Or I can VM you

Post it here. I'll copy it

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

The reason that shinigami/hollows are invisible is that you need high spiritual pressure/reiatsu so see them. Chakra is basicaly spiritual pressure, and since really weak humans like Karin and Don Kanonji can see them, it's not much of a strech to say that naruto characters could see them. So thats there big advantage lost.

Also, their the gotei 13, and if you arent counting yamamoto, you shouldnt count unohana. So it's 13 or 11.


Also, the two strongest bleach characters, (Hogyoku Aizen, Dangai Ichigo) are casual mountain busters. Juubi, it a casual country buster.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Post it here. I'll copy it

It's long, I'll VM u some calc of bleach.

 

[raziel777]

It's long, I'll VM u some calc of bleach.

No prob. Thanks again.