Gotei 12 could solo NV. Confirmed

[raziel777]

Hellz yeah.

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Do you guys know what Mach means ?

Mach 23000 lololol yeah, right TBB's speed is 6900 kilometers/sec ?

 

[Hypemaster]

kenpachi solos

So much thissss

 

[Transcendence]

Do you guys know what Mach means ?

Mach 23000 lololol yeah, right TBB's speed is 6900 kilometers/sec ?

You're asking PEIN of all people, what Mach means? Half the mans post are about relevant calculations in relation to the relative "mach" speeds of a manga... You're trounced here.

GIVE UP.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

It didn't cross multiple countries... The bijuudama. You don't know where it landed, the first one.

And as you can see, Darui's division was the one in your pic. They are fighting somewhere after that. In the large plain of the cloud country. Nice try

I guess you forgot about the fact that the Shinobi HQ was nuked.

What are you talking about? All of the divisions are there.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Do you guys know what Mach means ?

Mach 23000 lololol yeah, right TBB's speed is 6900 kilometers/sec ?

The scaling was accepted, by the OBD and many top calc'rs on NF, even the MvC accepte it, it had no errors whatsoever, it was done legitamtley. The best feat scalable was staark grabbing orhime, and took her to Aizen, in a relative short time frame, which was Mach 154 I think

Hellz yeah.

The new Mach 152 calc for ichigo is still undergoing conclusion, the Mach 98 low end, Mach 166 high end soifon calc was debunked

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[Rainbow Dash]

Mach 152 calc for ichigo

Bleach isn't good enough of a story to pass mach 23.

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[raziel777]

I guess you forgot about the fact that the Shinobi HQ was nuked.

What are you talking about? All of the divisions are there.

HQ is in Kumo, right beside Mist Village.

And I meant that, where Madara and the Alliance are fighing right now is somewhere close to Darui's division. The Alliance came to Naruto by foot. It took them a few minutes at best. Are you suggesting that they are all super fast too ? That they crossed multiple countries in 15 mn or so ?

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Bleach isn't good enough of a story to pass mach 23.

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Many people say it's trouble to quantify speed feats in bleach, due to heavy abuse of faster then the eye, cliches, usually people account LOLWTF he disappeared he should've be damnzz fasts LULZ, u cant tell speed feats like that, its almost impossibe, even i can assume theyre faster cause they look faster, which isnt the case. it's the way kubo portrays speed which makes it hard to quantify, well yeah it's still undergoing.

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[Rainbow Dash]

HQ is in Kumo, right beside Mist Village.

Do you have no visual comprehension?

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The villages clearly aren't right next to each other. I think what you're talking about is the countries that the villages reside in. If so, then yes the countries of the mist and the cloud are right next to each other. But it still doesn't change the fact that the distance between the HQ and the Juubi is multiple country ranges.

And I meant that, where Madara and the Alliance are fighing right now is somewhere close to Darui's division. The Alliance came to Naruto by foot. It took them a few minutes at best. Are you suggesting that they are all super fast too ? That they crossed multiple countries in 15 mn or so ?

So what if they are closer to Darui's division? Darui's division is still in the same area I pointed out. You are bringing up irrelevant arguments.

What suggests that it took the SA 15 minutes? It took them 40 chapters to arrive.

Even then, Narutoverse is very fast. Much faster than you think.

Many people say it's trouble to quantify speed feats in bleach, due to heavy abuse of faster then the eye, cliches, usually people account LOLWTF he disappeared he should've be damnzz fasts LULZ, u cant tell speed feats like that, its almost impossibe, even i can assume theyre faster cause they look faster, which isnt the case. it's the way kubo portrays speed which makes it hard to quantify, well yeah it's still undergoing.

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MvC has a mach 91000 Grimmjow.

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[raziel777]

The scaling was accepted, by the OBD and many top calc'rs on NF, even the MvC accepte it, it had no errors whatsoever, it was done legitamtley. The best feat scalable was staark grabbing orhime, and took her to Aizen, in a relative short time frame, which was Mach 154 I think




The new Mach 152 calc for ichigo is still undergoing conclusion, the Mach 98 low end, Mach 166 high end soifon calc was debunked

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Those calcs make no sense.

Here we see the distance separating the SA from the TBBS. Hardly 3 kilometers

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Here we see the TBBS being fired.

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The fodder ninjas shouldn't have been to see the TBBS if they were really going at the speed you said.

Sorry but those are just bulls; the Bleach Speed too.

Who's the OBD, and NF, MVC you mentionned ?

 

[P3ĮÑ]

There was actually no reasonable time frame, to quantify that, they still get scaled to hashi at Mach 143 capable of intercepting a TBB.

 

[raziel777]

Do you have no visual comprehension?

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The villages clearly aren't right next to each other. I think what you're talking about is the countries that the villages reside in. If so, then yes the countries of the mist and the cloud are right next to each other. But it still doesn't change the fact that the distance between the HQ and the Juubi is multiple country ranges.



So what if they are closer to Darui's division? Darui's division is still in the same area I pointed out. You are bringing up irrelevant arguments.

What suggests that it took the SA 15 minutes? It took them 40 chapters to arrive.

Even then, Narutoverse is very fast. Much faster than you think.

How long do you think Naruto had been fighting with Obito ?

15 was just a number but my point is, they are not several counties apart, which was your main point.

It's not multiple country range, they were fighting along the borders of the Mist. HQ was somewhere inside Kumo but not that far way.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Those calcs make no sense.

Here we see the distance separating the SA from the TBBS. Hardly 3 kilometers

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Here we see the TBBS being fired.

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The fodder ninjas shouldn't have been to see the TBBS if they were really going at the speed you said.

Sorry but those are just bulls; the Bleach Speed too.

Who's the OBD, and NF, MVC you mentionned ?

Nope, that's what u think, it's accepted, it's been debated, and concluded on multiple forums, NB doesn't do this sorta shit. While other forums have it

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so far we've lowballed the speed of V2 Juubis BBs by powerscaling from first form Juubis beam speed


well, they're far faster then that, reaching Alliance HQ and far beyond the horizon in a short time (could estimate the time, but we'll do better)

indirect evidence also comes from when flashback Juubi was launching identical looking explosions all over the planet surface simultaneously (no way to calc that though)


anyway, this is the feat :

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Juubi is crouched down on the ground, slams it with his hand, sends some rocks flying up and shoots his BB (leaves his mouth on top of page 13), and after it destroys the HQ there's still some small debri in the air (page 16)


so, distance the BB flew (updated) :

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- 88,413.75km


timeframe = debri freefall :
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first we need V2 Juubis height -

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thanks, Wombat

this gives us the following scaling for the height of the highest debri:
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freefall timeframe for 584.9m = 10.93 s

88,413.75km/10.93s = 10,794.69 km/s = Mach 23,771



Juubito and his black techs are superior to the wild unfocused incomplete Juubi (so should his chakra arms be), so it scales to the speed of his black chakra constructs


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he reacted to the explosion that Tobirama teleported back to him - protected himself from the explosion with his black sphere at point blank (this would require both his reactions and the speed at which his protective sphere can form)

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+ of course he fully controls all the transformations/processes/movements of all the black shapes/objects

This was the calc, (couldn't add pictures) from NF, and it had no erros what so ever, it's actually quantifable. The the speed can vary, but a normal TBB is around Mach 143, the Juubi TBB flew oer at Least country ranges.

 

[raziel777]

There was actually no reasonable time frame, to quantify that, they still get scaled to hashi at Mach 143 capable of intercepting a TBB.

There is one. They had to see it and react to it. The fodders couldn't have seen something going at the speed you mention. So no, I'm not buying on those numbers.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

There is one. They had to see it and react to it. The fodders couldn't have seen something going at the speed you mention. So no, I'm not buying on those numbers.

I don't care, I wasn't even replying to u anyway, have u ever even debated outside of NB?

 

[raziel777]

Nope, that's what u think, it's accepted, it's been debated, and concluded on multiple forums, NB doesn't do this sorta shit. While other forums have it

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so far we've lowballed the speed of V2 Juubis BBs by powerscaling from first form Juubis beam speed


well, they're far faster then that, reaching Alliance HQ and far beyond the horizon in a short time (could estimate the time, but we'll do better)

indirect evidence also comes from when flashback Juubi was launching identical looking explosions all over the planet surface simultaneously (no way to calc that though)


anyway, this is the feat :

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Juubi is crouched down on the ground, slams it with his hand, sends some rocks flying up and shoots his BB (leaves his mouth on top of page 13), and after it destroys the HQ there's still some small debri in the air (page 16)


so, distance the BB flew (updated) :

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- 88,413.75km


timeframe = debri freefall :
credits to the people here -

You must be registered for see links

first we need V2 Juubis height -

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thanks, Wombat

this gives us the following scaling for the height of the highest debri:
Spoiler:

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freefall timeframe for 584.9m = 10.93 s

88,413.75km/10.93s = 10,794.69 km/s = Mach 23,771



Juubito and his black techs are superior to the wild unfocused incomplete Juubi (so should his chakra arms be), so it scales to the speed of his black chakra constructs


Quote:
he reacted to the explosion that Tobirama teleported back to him - protected himself from the explosion with his black sphere at point blank (this would require both his reactions and the speed at which his protective sphere can form)

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also this :

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+ of course he fully controls all the transformations/processes/movements of all the black shapes/objects

This was the calc, (couldn't add pictures) from NF, and it had no erros what so ever, it's actually quantifable. The the speed can vary, but a normal TBB is around Mach 143, the Juubi TBB flew oer at Least country ranges.

They are basing the timeframe on the debris Kishi draws without even thinking about at all ????? It's just wishful thinking. It's a manga. You can't have accurate measure of time in it

 

[raziel777]

I don't care, I wasn't even replying to u anyway, have u ever even debated outside of NB?

Yeah. So what ?

So I can't reply to you, because you weren't replying to me ?

And when given with a suitable counter, your answer is " I don't care" ? Yeah.

Edit: you quoted my post, I took that as you replying to me

 

[Rainbow Dash]

How long do you think Naruto had been fighting with Obito ?

15 was just a number but my point is, they are not several counties apart, which was your main point.

It's not multiple country range, they were fighting along the borders of the Mist. HQ was somewhere inside Kumo but not that far way.

Oh my god, do you not see to circle with the cross next to the turtle? That's where the HQ is.

Just please stop.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

They are basing the timeframe on the debris Kishi draws without even thinking about at all ????? It's just wishful thinking. It's a manga. You can't have accurate measure of time in it

U can, there are high ends and low ends for time frames using simulators, the high end was Mach 30000, I'm not using that, the low end was Mach 23,000. U can use either for scaling the time frame, usually low ends are used in debates.

Yeah. So what ?

So I can't reply to you, because you weren't replying to me ?

And when given with a suitable counter, your answer is " I don't care" ? Yeah.

Edit: you quoted my post, I took that as you replying to me

U said u weren't buying on those numbers like I care if u don't believe them? they were done. Debated. Concluded. If u don't believe them, no even gives a damn.

 

[raziel777]

Oh my god, do you not see to circle with the cross next to the turtle? That's where the HQ is.

Just please stop.

I see it. And my point is, Madara and SA are fighting the big large gap after Darui's unit. The distance between them is great but it's nowhere "multiple countires" apart

U can, there are high ends and low ends for time frames using simulators, the high end was Mach 30000, I'm not using that, the low end was Mach 23,000. U can use either for scaling the time frame, usually low ends are used in debates.

I understand your point. But Kishi and his assistants do not use calcs when they draw. That's why those number of yours can't be for sure. They draw going by their feelings and that's hardly reliable. Given them a second opportunity to draw the scene, they would have drawn it differently.