Going back to the Same old shit?

[Lightbringer]

So now I also have to prove Rikudou has more chakra than Madara if i claim that?

At base, there is no evidence whatsoever of how much chakra Rikudou had; personally I believe Rikudou always had more.

But he had enough to overwhelm the Juubi at full form on his own....so that is proof enough

Madara himself commented on Hashirama's chakra being enormous

Enormous doesn't mean that he has more, just that he has a lot of it.

Hashirama's chakra was compared to that of the full Kyuubi. Has Madara's? No... As I said burden of proof is on you not on me.

No, but Madara was compared to a god(SO6P).

God>Bijuu

Also the Uchiha were said to have unparalleled chakra, and Madara was born with the greatest and most powerful in the Uchiha history.

which means the Uchiha typically have more chakra than Senju.....senju only have life-force; big difference

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Uchiha and Senju power is derived from their Ancestors and both Madara and Hashirama are the embodiment of those forefathers powers.


Uchiha Ancestor=Madara

Senju Ancetor=Hashirama


"The Older Son was born with the Sage's eyes....granting him chakra powers and mental energy"

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If you are arguing about this, because your character Madara is inferior in it and you don't want to admit it.... then don't bother continuing.

Looks to me like Hashirama's on his knees

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Signature techs? And how exactly are they signature techs? Because he has shown them once when he needed them?

Hashirama's signature tech was the flower tree world and Madara replicated it.

So if Madara can create such an advanced mokuton tech, along with Mokuton Dragon......why wouldn't he be able to do the lower tier jutsu like making his arm into wood?

Both Yamato and Obito could do that.....also Zetsu, and Zetsu is a watered down copy of Hashi.

 

[KingHashirama]

At base, there is no evidence whatsoever of how much chakra Rikudou had; personally I believe Rikudou always had more.





Enormous doesn't mean that he has more, just that he has a lot of it.





No, but Madara was compared to a god(SO6P).

God>Bijuu

Also the Uchiha were said to have unparalleled chakra, and Madara was born with the greatest and most powerful in the Uchiha history.

which means the Uchiha typically have more chakra than Senju.....senju only have life-force; big difference

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Uchiha and Senju power is derived from their Ancestors and both Madara and Hashirama are the embodiment of those forefathers powers.


Uchiha Ancestor=Madara

Senju Ancetor=Hashirama


"The Older Son was born with the Sage's eyes....granting him chakra powers and mental energy"

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Looks to me like Hashirama's on his knees

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Hashirama's signature tech was the flower tree world and Madara replicated it.

So if Madara can create such an advanced mokuton tech, along with Mokuton Dragon......why wouldn't he be able to do the lower tier jutsu like making his arm into wood?

Both Yamato and Obito could do that.....also Zetsu, and Zetsu is a watered down copy of Hashi.[/QUOTE]

-So your best defense is the same old typical shit that you argue with, "Oh the manga didn't state it for me to understand it, when kishimoto puts it right in the manga that Hashirama has more chakra than Madara, only then i can claim that."

-Now I can claim 10-10 has chakra = to MAdara's and ask for you to provide a manga scan where it says Madara has more, but you are gonna be speaking a whole different tone then.


Key word = Strong chakra. Not huge amounts of chakra =]. Big difference. Also, notice how that was Obito talking about Madara, the same guy who said Uchiha and Senju were hailed as the strongest clans.. but then goes on to say, Senju were hailed as the strongest.


Stamina = chakra. Uzumaki have higher chakra than the Uchiha.... but its never flat out stated.. do you need proof of that also?


@Looks to me like Hashirama on his knees... Well i doesn't bother me, since its not like he lost a 1 vs 1 fight. End of the day , Hashirama > Madara, Naruto > Sasuke. Same shit different characters.


Also, again how does that make them Hashirama's signature techs? rofl.

Yamato trained Mokuton, Madara didn't. Obito has never done it without a Zetsu body. Zetsu has only shown the ability of mayfly, otherwise his mokuton prowess is pretty low. Though you should realize Zetsu is mokuton itself.

 

[Lightbringer]

-So your best defense is the same old typical shit that you argue with, "Oh the manga didn't state it for me to understand it, when kishimoto puts it right in the manga that Hashirama has more chakra than Madara, only then i can claim that."

Oh that's golden since you're saying the same thing about Madara not possessing all of Hashi's mokuton techs when Kishi laid it all out for you.

And no he never did compare Hashi's chakra or indicate it being greater than Madara's.

Uchiha Ancestor was blessed with Chakra power while Senju Ancestor was blessed with vitality and stamina.....do the math

-Now I can claim 10-10 has chakra = to MAdara's and ask for you to provide a manga scan where it says Madara has more, but you are gonna be speaking a whole different tone then.

so what you're saying is your opinion is biased because you want to believe Hashirama has the greatest chakra, even though there is no evidence to it.

it's funny and ironic how when it comes to Hashirama defense, you're all about foreshadowing and hinting at; but when it comes to other characters, you become mr. literal.

and I'll humor you, I believe 10-10 has more chakra than Madara; now it's your turn to prove me wrong.

Key word = Strong chakra. Not huge amounts of chakra =]. Big difference. Also, notice how that was Obito talking about Madara, the same guy who said Uchiha and Senju were hailed as the strongest clans.. but then goes on to say, Senju were hailed as the strongest.


Stamina = chakra. Uzumaki have higher chakra than the Uchiha.... but its never flat out stated.. do you need proof of that also?

What?

The proof was already there......Uchiha have unparalleled chakra, meaning they have more than Uzumaki.....gtfo


and what again? Stamina is not chakra you moron.

You don't lose chakra from running, you lose it when you cast jutsu.

That's why it says Senju ancestor was blessed with Stamina and Uchiha Ancestor was blessed with Chakra

The scan below proves this

DUMB DUMB!

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@Looks to me like Hashirama on his knees... Well i doesn't bother me, since its not like he lost a 1 vs 1 fight. End of the day , Hashirama > Madara, Naruto > Sasuke. Same shit different characters.

you're right, it was Madara vs Hashirama/Sasuke/Naruto and shinoboi fodder........and Madara still beat Hashirama

Also, again how does that make them Hashirama's signature techs? rofl.

Because it is a distinctive and unique technique that people recognize as Hashirama's

Yamato trained Mokuton, Madara didn't. Obito has never done it without a Zetsu body. Zetsu has only shown the ability of mayfly, otherwise his mokuton prowess is pretty low. Though you should realize Zetsu is mokuton itself.

Obito used mokuton without Zetsu body

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Lightbringer solo'ed

 

[KingHashirama]

Oh that's golden since you're saying the same thing about Madara not possessing all of Hashi's mokuton techs when Kishi laid it all out for you.
And no he never did compare Hashi's chakra or indicate it being greater than Madara's.
Uchiha Ancestor was blessed with Chakra power while Senju Ancestor was blessed with vitality and stamina.....do the math
so what you're saying is your opinion is biased because you want to believe Hashirama has the greatest chakra, even though there is no evidence to it.

it's funny and ironic how when it comes to Hashirama defense, you're all about foreshadowing and hinting at; but when it comes to other characters, you become mr. literal.
and I'll humor you, I believe 10-10 has more chakra than Madara; now it's your turn to prove me wrong.
What?
The proof was already there......Uchiha have unparalleled chakra, meaning they have more than Uzumaki.....gtfo
and what again? Stamina is not chakra you moron.
You don't lose chakra from running, you lose it when you cast jutsu.
That's why it says Senju ancestor was blessed with Stamina and Uchiha Ancestor was blessed with Chakra
The scan below proves this
DUMB DUMB!

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you're right, it was Madara vs Hashirama/Sasuke/Naruto and shinoboi fodder........and Madara still beat Hashirama

Because it is a distinctive and unique technique that people recognize as Hashirama's
Obito used mokuton without Zetsu body

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Lightbringer has officially become Madara Rules #2.

@Bold, is this coming from the guy who wants manga scans literally saying Hashirama > Madara in terms of chakra? rofl.

Stamina = Chakra. Your chakra goes down if you don't have stamina.... this is common knowledge....Mokuton uses high amounts of chakra, while the EMS does not, if you are an Uchiha. Hiruzen getting tired = his chakra going down.. there is a reason why old age affects your chakra...

Plus its not my fault that Hashirama restrained Madara in his base form with only his base Mokuton.. while Madara had his rinnegan and Mokuton , that according to you is on Hashirama's level. I wonder what happened there.

As for the scan you hold so precious, if you had bother to not fanboy over 1 single translation, you would know Obito referred to "strong chakras" as "powerful chakras" and "mental energy" as "spiritual energy"..... all are a reference to their ability of the sharingan, and how the sharingan is powered by strong chakra of the brain aka mental energy.. doesn't take a genius to connect the dots.

Read clearly what tobirama states, " A SPECIAL CHAKRA sprouts inside their brains"

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"it was Madara vs Hashirama/Sasuke/Naruto and shinoboi fodder........and Madara still beat Hashirama" - dayum thought even a Madara fan like yourself would have some class, and acknowledge what happened and not fanboy over Madara. Well now i know that you would be proud of the fact you beat someone in a fight after getting all your health back, when you were put down, while the other guy is still tired.

Oh never had seen that Obito scan, but in the end he doesn't use it normally now does he, because you see if you aren't Hashirama Senju and have Kyuubi level chakra.. Mokuton tends to cause strain on your body, i mean just ask Yamato.


Do you even understand what a signature tech is? Signature tech would be something like Naruto's Rasengan, something that is used quite often. Hashirama doesn't have a signature tech when it comes to Mokuton.

 

[Anorien16]

Well then just remind them that Kakashi who actually implanted a OP foreign body part actually suffered from some deficits that the original owner didnt (extra chakra drain, risk to body, cant switch off etc) while the basic tier abilities of sharingan was the same the fullest extent can not be reached (Body tires quickly when he uses Kamui too much ,Itachi said that both Uchiha eye and blood is required to counter Tsukiomy, Kakashi is shown to be rather clumsy with Kamui while Obito is flawless in its control) ...... Same principles should hold in the same manga.

 

[Lightbringer]

Lightbringer has officially become Madara Rules #2.

@Bold, is this coming from the guy who wants manga scans literally saying Hashirama > Madara in terms of chakra? rofl.

Stamina = Chakra. Your chakra goes down if you don't have stamina.... this is common knowledge....Mokuton uses high amounts of chakra, while the EMS does not, if you are an Uchiha. Hiruzen getting tired = his chakra going down.. there is a reason why old age affects your chakra...

Plus its not my fault that Hashirama restrained Madara in his base form with only his base Mokuton.. while Madara had his rinnegan and Mokuton , that according to you is on Hashirama's level. I wonder what happened there.

As for the scan you hold so precious, if you had bother to not fanboy over 1 single translation, you would know Obito referred to "strong chakras" as "powerful chakras" and "mental energy" as "spiritual energy"..... all are a reference to their ability of the sharingan, and how the sharingan is powered by strong chakra of the brain aka mental energy.. doesn't take a genius to connect the dots.

Read clearly what tobirama states, " A SPECIAL CHAKRA sprouts inside their brains"

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"it was Madara vs Hashirama/Sasuke/Naruto and shinoboi fodder........and Madara still beat Hashirama" - dayum thought even a Madara fan like yourself would have some class, and acknowledge what happened and not fanboy over Madara. Well now i know that you would be proud of the fact you beat someone in a fight after getting all your health back, when you were put down, while the other guy is still tired.

Oh never had seen that Obito scan, but in the end he doesn't use it normally now does he, because you see if you aren't Hashirama Senju and have Kyuubi level chakra.. Mokuton tends to cause strain on your body, i mean just ask Yamato.


Do you even understand what a signature tech is? Signature tech would be something like Naruto's Rasengan, something that is used quite often. Hashirama doesn't have a signature tech when it comes to Mokuton.

lol the humor here is that you're calling me a fanboy when you have a naked Hashirama as your avatar haha



You don't know the difference between stamina and chakra when it was stated to be different in the scan I posted, yet you still don't accept it. Why should I even bother to further prove you wrong since you're going to deny it?

lol no one's even agreeing with you in this thread; you're wrong the end.

 

[Trollasaur]

Obito without Senju blood:

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Stop crying.

BTW two things,
1. Obito only needed senju dna to stay alive nothing else
2.I would love to see you fanboy all over Hashirama if he got EMS.

 

[KingHashirama]

lol the humor here is that you're calling me a fanboy when you have a naked Hashirama as your avatar haha



You don't know the difference between stamina and chakra when it was stated to be different in the scan I posted, yet you still don't accept it. Why should I even bother to further prove you wrong since you're going to deny it?

lol no one's even agreeing with you in this thread; you're wrong the end.

Shirtless = Naked nice to know. But whats funny is what does that have anything to do with the thread and being a fanboy? rofl.

Out of the 10 people who are madara fans.. yea I doubt anyone will. rofl.

Stop crying.

BTW two things,
1. Obito only needed senju dna to stay alive nothing else
2.I would love to see you fanboy all over Hashirama if he got EMS.

@Bold, what else does he need besides having life?

Actually, I will loose interest in Hashirama as a character. The reason I like Hashirama is because of his personality and relying on what he is given and earned. If he turned into a second MAdara or Orochimaru.. I have no reason to follow Hashirama anymore.