[Debate] Girlfriend allegedly encourages boyfriend to suicide

[EnderWolf1013]

Well she can't get charged since she didn't really go up to him and kill him. I know this is sad and all, but you can't change the law.

Now I'm also wondering something... (first before I say this, I need to just say that I know/have friends that tell each other to kill themselves for shits and giggles) Could she have been telling him to do it jokingly?

And don't accuse me of defend her.

 

[Avani]

Yeah I read it. I am just assuming the guy was sucidal. Had said he wants to commit sucide many times for attention. She got sick of it and ended up forcing him to do it.



Well I agree she handled it poorly. Which lead to this to happen. I am just not totally convinced that this is all the girl's fault. I feel like the guy played a part in it to.

Well the new articles said that the guy was had a history of depression and had attempted suicide in the past, but his family was hopeful that he would get through it.

Text messages recovered by police, however, suggest that by 2014, Carter had gotten tired of Roy’s idle talk of suicide and she wanted him to go through with it — now.

“You always say you’re gonna do it, but you never do,” Carter complained. “I just want to make sure tonight is the real thing.”

Another time, she texted: “You can’t keep pushing it off, though. That’s all you keep doing.”

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So yes you are right on that count.

But the parents or relatives who find out those chat messages are going to be angry since they did lose their child. And it's hurtful to find out that one's kid killed himself and they didn't know he/she was going though such damaging thoughts at that moment. As her grandma said they thought he would get though it. So it's easier to blame the third person.

The

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has a relationship with the boy's family. So he himself will not be arguing in court but you can be assured of prosecutors going for the kill.


We will never know the whole story of what went out there. It's best to leave it on the court to decide. But media and mob loves a monster.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Well the new articles said that the guy was had a history of depression and had attempted suicide in the past, but his family was hopeful that he would get through it.

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So yes you are right on that count.

But the parents or relatives who find out those chat messages are going to be angry since they did lose their child. And it's hurtful to find out that one's kid killed himself and they didn't know he/she was going though such damaging thoughts at that moment. As her grandma said they thought he would get though it. So it's easier to blame the third person.

The

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has a relationship with the boy's family. So he himself will not be arguing in court but you can be assured of prosecutors going for the kill.


We will never know the whole story of what went out there. It's best to leave it on the court to decide. But media and mob loves a monster.

Never know the whole story? We know what we need to know. He had a history of depression and suicidal tendencies, she talked him into killing himself. The entire story is all digitally there for you to see.

 

[Adam Driver]

She should be charged with manslaughter, she influenced him into killing himself. Terrible human being

 

[Ryu Kishi]

i think I saw something like this on law and order

 

[CrimsonReaper]

***** whipped. :lol

 

[Anorien16]

He killed himself though so why is she in trouble?

Well if you dont count the way she encouraged him to kill himself ..... He actually stopped when he started feeling sick and she called/texted him and encouraged him to get in the car and continue to CO poison himself.

After that when the boy's mom called her, she pretended to be unaware of the situation .... then if some info is to be believed: opened some account or stuff to get some online sympathy.

 

[Disquiet]

Yeah I read it. I am just assuming the guy was sucidal. Had said he wants to commit sucide many times for attention. She got sick of it and ended up forcing him to do it.

Are you aware that they only met a few times in over two years and it was mostly an online relationship? Why not just ignore him?

Also, not to diss you or anything, this is a serious question. I see how you responded to Fresco, almost as if you would totally, or near totally, be against her actions had she done it for her own attention and make others feel sorry for her.

If the the above is true, then you would turn around and justify it had she done it because she was tired of him? You think there is such a huge difference between "I'm getting tired of you! I'm going to try and force you into killing yourself!" and "I want pity and attention from everyone so I'm going to try and force you into killing yourself!" that it'd warrant a switch in views from"You deserved to be punished for doing that to him for such a selfish reason as wanting attention" to "Oh it's alright, you were just getting tired of him is all."

It's also just a bit perplexing, on how her supposed troubles of dealing with his depression provides some room for understanding of her actions, yet the boy who was also going through some kind of mental troubles gets very little understanding by some of those same people who is giving her justification. It's basically saying that the influences he had on her is understood a great deal (supposedly pressuring her into wanting him to die), but not the influences she had on him (actually killing himself).

She did receive psychiatric treatment from McLean Hospital at one point apparently (and asked him to join her supposedly), though her lawyer isn't specifying what her condition was. Not sure if it's incriminating, but I guess it's nothing that can be used as a defense or it's really embarrassing and he feels he can beat the case without exposing it.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Well the new articles said that the guy was had a history of depression and had attempted suicide in the past, but his family was hopeful that he would get through it.

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So yes you are right on that count.

But the parents or relatives who find out those chat messages are going to be angry since they did lose their child. And it's hurtful to find out that one's kid killed himself and they didn't know he/she was going though such damaging thoughts at that moment. As her grandma said they thought he would get though it. So it's easier to blame the third person.

The

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has a relationship with the boy's family. So he himself will not be arguing in court but you can be assured of prosecutors going for the kill.


We will never know the whole story of what went out there. It's best to leave it on the court to decide. But media and mob loves a monster.

Don't you think this is partially also the parents fault that he was in this condition in the first place? If they knew he was sucidal, shouldn't they have given some effort on his mental care?

Are you aware that they only met a few times in over two years and it was mostly an online relationship? Why not just ignore him?

Also, not to diss you or anything, this is a serious question. I see how you responded to Fresco, almost as if you would totally, or near totally, be against her actions had she done it for her own attention and make others feel sorry for her.

If the the above is true, then you would turn around and justify it had she done it because she was tired of him? You think there is such a huge difference between "I'm getting tired of you! I'm going to try and force you into killing yourself!" and "I want pity and attention from everyone so I'm going to try and force you into killing yourself!" that it'd warrant a switch in views from"You deserved to be punished for doing that to him for such a selfish reason as wanting attention" to "Oh it's alright, you were just getting tired of him is all."

It's also just a bit perplexing, on how her supposed troubles of dealing with his depression provides some room for understanding of her actions, yet the boy who was also going through some kind of mental troubles gets very little understanding by some of those same people who is giving her justification. It's basically saying that the influences he had on her is understood a great deal (supposedly pressuring her into wanting him to die), but not the influences she had on him (actually killing himself).

She did receive psychiatric treatment from McLean Hospital at one point apparently (and asked him to join her supposedly), though her lawyer isn't specifying what her condition was. Not sure if it's incriminating, but I guess it's nothing that can be used as a defense or it's really embarrassing and he feels he can beat the case without exposing it.

Look I am not trying to justify her actions by bring this excuse up. I am just trying to say that there were other factors playing in this then just the girl. Blaming the girl for all of it is not fair. Yes she commited a crime where she influenced this kid to commit sucide. But the thing is the kid was already in this state of mind to begin with. So my real concern is why did his family not do anything about it? What part did they play in making sure he is ok? Why did this kid think of sucide to begin with?

 

[Transcendence]

Well what went wrong is that I never felt suicidal or was influenced by some basic girl =D

That's probably because no girl is attracted to you so you never have a chance to get influenced.

 

[shelke]

She's culpable.

 

[Transcendence]

Anyways, to stay on topic; She should burn in hell. Read into the article and the link Yama posted. Every time he tried to talk about something else or talk himself down, she kept bringing it back up. She's playing the victim card now because she wants attention and sympathy for the masses. She's evil and deserves to rot in jail.

 

[hixa kuogame]

Well if you dont count the way she encouraged him to kill himself ..... He actually stopped when he started feeling sick and she called/texted him and encouraged him to get in the car and continue to CO poison himself.

After that when the boy's mom called her, she pretended to be unaware of the situation .... then if some info is to be believed: opened some account or stuff to get some online sympathy.

I shamefully only read the title then commented rather than reading the actual article. I didn't really she manipulated him. I thought she just said something like "go kill yourself!" and he naively followed her orders.
I guess I was the naive one.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Well she can't get charged since she didn't really go up to him and kill him. I know this is sad and all, but you can't change the law.

Now I'm also wondering something... (first before I say this, I need to just say that I know/have friends that tell each other to kill themselves for shits and giggles) Could she have been telling him to do it jokingly?

And don't accuse me of defend her.

Realistically I don't think so. I think she truly got sick of him bring it up. So yeah she was serious about it. But I don't think she was aware he would do it. Overall I think she went at it wrong. She could have just left him. The girl made a poor decision in the end.

 

[Disquiet]

Don't you think this is partially also the parents fault that he was in this condition in the first place? If they knew he was sucidal, shouldn't they have given some effort on his mental care?




Look I am not trying to justify her actions by bring this excuse up. I am just trying to say that there were other factors playing in this then just the girl. Blaming the girl for all of it is not fair. Yes she commited a crime where she influenced this kid to commit sucide. But the thing is the kid was already in this state of mind to begin with. So my real concern is why did his family not do anything about it? What part did they play in making sure he is ok? Why did this kid think of sucide to begin with?

@Bold, victim shaming :bdpf:. Nah just kidding, that's why I said it's only a bit perplexing, since I can kinda understand where some are coming from. It's more of a debate if anyone can criminally and or legitimately force you to kill yourself, I can see where some will struggle with that idea. It's more of the intention and acting on it that concerns me, and whether or not this guy had serious mental issues (which of course seemed like he did).

I'd imagine this wouldn't be a debate if she drove a retarded person to kill themselves, or convinced some very very drunk person to jump out a window. They say depression is a chemical imbalance (this is why I stated my curiosity about whether he was officially diagnosed), so if there was some kind of mental dysfunction going on in his brain then of course he's more susceptible to her encouragement.

Don't think I'd recommend the death penalty, but since she's being charged with involuntary manslaughter, I don't think it's really all that much of an unfair situation (at least for her, it's actually pretty light).

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Of course I don't know how long they're aiming for, but she probably won't get too much time.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

@Bold, victim shaming :bdpf:. Nah just kidding, that's why I said it's only a bit perplexing, since I can kinda understand where some are coming from. It's more of a debate if anyone can criminally and or legitimately force you to kill yourself, I can see where some will struggle with that idea. It's more of the intention and acting on it that concerns me, and whether or not this guy had serious mental issues (which of course seemed like he did).

I'd imagine this wouldn't be a debate if she drove a retarded person to kill themselves, or convinced some very very drunk person to jump out a window. They say depression is a chemical imbalance (this is why I stated my curiosity about whether he was officially diagnosed), so if there was some kind of mental dysfunction going on in his brain then of course he's more susceptible to her encouragement.

Don't think I'd recommend the death penalty, but since she's being charged with involuntary manslaughter, I don't think it's really all that much of an unfair situation (at least for her).

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Of course I don't know how long they're aiming for, but she probably won't get too much time.

I would personally like to know the guy's mental illness before I decide if the family was truly innoscent. I have a feeling they played a part on why the guy was like this to begin with. Overall I have no problems with the girl's sentence. She needs to learn to make wiser chioces next time.

 

[Disquiet]

I would personally like to know the guy's mental illness before I decide if the family was truly innoscent. I have a feeling they played a part on why the guy was like this to begin with. Overall I have no problems with the girl's sentence. She needs to learn to make wiser chioces next time.

That's what I forgot to add. I do have some concerns over the parent's involvement or handling of the situation. On one article she texted him saying something along the lines, "Everyone will get over it. Didn't you say your mother saw a suicidal thing on your computer and didn't say anything? They're prepared for your death."

I don't see any reason why he would lie about his mother seeing that, but I guess it's possible. I have little reason to doubt it though, and it does make me wonder how she could see something like that and not do anything given his past. Though it also depends on his, and his mother's interpretation of a "suicide thing".

I'll wait to see if more of his depression history is released to try and get an understanding of the parents.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

That's what I forgot to add. I do have some concerns over the parent's involvement or handling of the situation. On one article she texted him saying something along the lines, "Everyone will get over it. Didn't you say your mother saw a suicidal thing on your computer and didn't say anything? They're prepared for your death."

I don't see any reason why he would lie about his mother seeing that, but I guess it's possible. I have little reason to doubt it though, and it does make me wonder how she could see something like that and not do anything given his past.

I'll wait to see if more of his depression history is released to try and get an understanding of the parents.

I feel like the real root of all of this is the parents. With what you just shared with me convinces me more on my doubts about this. The girl used his parents to encourage him to do it. If his parents treated him correctly, do you think he would have ever been convinced? On top of that this girl came later in his life. From what we know he had these thoughts from the begining. Which means if he had so much faithe in this girl over his family. It ment his life with his family was not ok to begin with. The guy basically showed he is willing to die for her. One has to wonder where that desperation truly came from? Why did he not find anything else meaningful but her? Some would say cause its love. I think its something more deeper than that.

Anywho I would like to hear more news about this case.

 

[Jack Spicer]

Good couples support each other.

 

[Avani]

Don't you think this is partially also the parents fault that he was in this condition in the first place? If they knew he was sucidal, shouldn't they have given some effort on his mental care?

There can be so many scenarios that unless there is a clear evidence of parental negligence it's not right to blame them and they don't seem to be at fault. They just missed the signs if any that their son was still harboring such intentions. Sometimes it's just the wrong moment and there isn't any alarming sign.

The girl was being stupid in sending those messages but I cannot claim to know what she was thinking. She was 17. There are plenty of people who think they know what they are doing when they are not.

Frankly best thing you can do is to get far far away from such people unless you are prepared to put up with their suicidal tendencies. Especially the ones who try to use it as a blackmail to get their way or too frequently. Otherwise at one point they just might carry out that threat and will cause you to get charged with abetment anyway.

Look I am not trying to justify her actions by bring this excuse up. I am just trying to say that there were other factors playing in this then just the girl. Blaming the girl for all of it is not fair. Yes she commited a crime where she influenced this kid to commit sucide. But the thing is the kid was already in this state of mind to begin with. So my real concern is why did his family not do anything about it? What part did they play in making sure he is ok? Why did this kid think of sucide to begin with?

No news is covering reasons of his depression as far as I checked. So we are not likely to find out. Otherwise such thoughts are common in depression patients.