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Glad to hear ^_^

So what can you tell me about genjutsu? Why would you like to learn it? Strengths, weaknesses? Users in the anime/manga that we've seen specialize in it?
Genjutsu is one of the three basic forms of fighting in the narutoverse. Although unlike Ninjutsu and Taijutsu, Genjutsu doesn't attack you physically, it attacks you mentally. The basic term is illusion techniques, these genjutsus are done by sending your own chakra to the opponents brain, and effect them in a way that they either hear, see, smell, feel even taste something thats not really there.

Why do i want to learn it? Wel i want to learn it so i can understand genjutsu and how it is done, how to counter and such things. I'm also tired of it getting used on me, and would someday like to return the favor xd

Strengths of Genjutsu would be the idea that when you use it, there's no contact, and most techniques don't need any sort of restriction (like sharigan =eye contact). Also once you get your oppoenent into a genjutsu, they'll need to first realize it, and then release themselves (most of the time) and that gives you some time to take advantage of.

Weakness of Genjutsu is that it i s a genjutsu xd, its not real. Doesn't do any damage to your opponent at all. Plus there are always effects that you can tell its a genjutsu, by that you could break it.

The best Users of Genjutsu are Itachi, Kurenai , Madara, Sasuke (uchihas xd) that girl from the Karuma clan
 

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Genjutsu is one of the three basic forms of fighting in the narutoverse. Although unlike Ninjutsu and Taijutsu, Genjutsu doesn't attack you physically, it attacks you mentally. The basic term is illusion techniques, these genjutsus are done by sending your own chakra to the opponents brain, and effect them in a way that they either hear, see, smell, feel even taste something thats not really there.

Why do i want to learn it? Wel i want to learn it so i can understand genjutsu and how it is done, how to counter and such things. I'm also tired of it getting used on me, and would someday like to return the favor xd

Strengths of Genjutsu would be the idea that when you use it, there's no contact, and most techniques don't need any sort of restriction (like sharigan =eye contact). Also once you get your oppoenent into a genjutsu, they'll need to first realize it, and then release themselves (most of the time) and that gives you some time to take advantage of.

Weakness of Genjutsu is that it i s a genjutsu xd, its not real. Doesn't do any damage to your opponent at all. Plus there are always effects that you can tell its a genjutsu, by that you could break it.

The best Users of Genjutsu are Itachi, Kurenai , Madara, Sasuke (uchihas xd) that girl from the Karuma clan
Very good, pretty much hit the mark. Although I only have to pick out a tiny bit. You told me that genjutsu does not cause physically damage. However, we have some (at least one) genjutsu in our list that does. The illusion causes so much stress to the target's mind that they in turn, receive damage. Also as you stated the Karuma clan, they are able to turn illusions into reality, so they are also able to physically damage does with illusions.

Any questions before we continue? ^^
 

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Oh O_O good to know xd

No questions
Yosh!! Now I want you to sit down and meditate. Completely clear your mind. Once that's done I want you to expand your creativity, simply start thinking any creative ways to describe situations or possible illusions. In short, exercise your mind ^_^
 

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Yosh!! Now I want you to sit down and meditate. Completely clear your mind. Once that's done I want you to expand your creativity, simply start thinking any creative ways to describe situations or possible illusions. In short, exercise your mind ^_^
Yosh

*Gin starts by sitting down and then taking deep long breaths. I begin to clear my mind, i keep taking deep breaths while clearing my mind. I do as sensei instructed and begin to think of creative ways to perform in genjutsus. I begin to think of ways i can make illusions that make my opponent think that they are being held and can't move. I think of ways i can make my opponent to see themselves in a fire while in fact its a swamp of the underworld. I keep thinking of more and more and i'm getting excited to start.*
 

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*Gin starts by sitting down and then taking deep long breaths. I begin to clear my mind, i keep taking deep breaths while clearing my mind. I do as sensei instructed and begin to think of creative ways to perform in genjutsus. I begin to think of ways i can make illusions that make my opponent think that they are being held and can't move. I think of ways i can make my opponent to see themselves in a fire while in fact its a swamp of the underworld. I keep thinking of more and more and i'm getting excited to start.*
Good, so how do you feel? What can you tell me of your meditative experience?
 

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OOC: Sorry for the delay, I had a longggg thanksgiving weekend out of state so yeah xD.

Very good. Now what can you tell me of genjutsu's dispelling methods? Please list all that you know without copy pasting from anywhere.
 

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self inflicted pain, as in kunai stabbing and biting of the tongue

Kai

full body surge techniques, like nagashi and stuff

killing the person using the genjutsu U_U lol
 

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self inflicted pain, as in kunai stabbing and biting of the tongue

Kai

full body surge techniques, like nagashi and stuff

killing the person using the genjutsu U_U lol
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Please re-write the reasons stating full information and reasons why you believe such methods are used.
 

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my bad i don't even remember writing that, must have been tired lol

Pain- well with pain like stabbing with a kunai or biting ones tongue, it will inflict a lot of pain. So, if you are under an illusion and your senses are messed up, with that stabbing or bite, one can feel a whole lot of pain and get his senses straight

Kai- Kai is a dispelling genjutsu technique, if the genjutsu you're not in allows you to be mobile, this is the best option imo. One makes one hand seal and disrupts their chakra and releasing them from the genjutsu.

Full Body Surge- These are techniques such as Nagashi and light pillars, allow one that is in a genjutsu to send that chakra out their body and basically overpowering the foreign chakra.

Question about this^ Is Lighted Weight and added weight techs a proven way to break genjutsus?

Jinchuriki are immune to genjutsu, because the bijuu would just insert his chakra into the the host and they be broken free, oh yea thats also another way, have another ninja insert their chakra into you dispelling the genjutsu.
 

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my bad i don't even remember writing that, must have been tired lol

Pain- well with pain like stabbing with a kunai or biting ones tongue, it will inflict a lot of pain. So, if you are under an illusion and your senses are messed up, with that stabbing or bite, one can feel a whole lot of pain and get his senses straight

Kai- Kai is a dispelling genjutsu technique, if the genjutsu you're not in allows you to be mobile, this is the best option imo. One makes one hand seal and disrupts their chakra and releasing them from the genjutsu.

Full Body Surge- These are techniques such as Nagashi and light pillars, allow one that is in a genjutsu to send that chakra out their body and basically overpowering the foreign chakra.

Question about this^ Is Lighted Weight and added weight techs a proven way to break genjutsus?

Jinchuriki are immune to genjutsu, because the bijuu would just insert his chakra into the the host and they be broken free, oh yea thats also another way, have another ninja insert their chakra into you dispelling the genjutsu.
Pain- well with pain like stabbing with a kunai or biting ones tongue, it will inflict a lot of pain. So, if you are under an illusion and your senses are messed up, with that stabbing or bite, one can feel a whole lot of pain and get his senses straight
Good, just remember like it states in our forum rules, biting the tongue is no longer a good enough pain source unless you are biting a piece of it off. And that would mean a lot of blood lose in the long run. Not so good.

Full Body Surge- These are techniques such as Nagashi and light pillars, allow one that is in a genjutsu to send that chakra out their body and basically overpowering the foreign chakra.

Question about this^ Is Lighted Weight and added weight techs a proven way to break genjutsus?
I'm glad you asked that. We've actually discussed this in HQ not so long ago and have come to the conclusion that the only technique out of the light weight and added weight variants that is valid would be;

(Doton: Keijūgan no Jutsu) - Earth Release: Light Weight Rock Technique
Rank: A
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 30
Damage points: N/A
Description: Contrary to the Earth Release: Added Weight Rock Technique, instead of making an object heavier, this technique makes an item in direct contact with the user much lighter. This allows freer manipulation of the affected objects, which would normally carry considerably more weight and as such, require a greater amount of exertion to move. The user if using this technique on a incoming object would still be affected by the momentum of the force but will not gain full damage due to drastically decreasing the weight. This technique can be applied to the user himself or another person to reduce their weight and making them faster, however the downside is that their physical strength of the person who is affected by this technique is reduced by -10 damage.
Note: The initial effects last for 2 turn before the weight of the mass is returned to normal.
This means that any other weight related technique aside from this one will not suffice to release you from a genjutsu.

Jinchuriki are immune to genjutsu, because the bijuu would just insert his chakra into the the host and they be broken free, oh yea thats also another way, have another ninja insert their chakra into you dispelling the genjutsu.
Although it is stated that Jink's are "immune" to genjutsu they still technically aren't. They do recieve the effects of the genjutsu, however as you stated, they have their bijuu to dispel them shortly after. As for the Ninja inserting their chakra, keep in mind that it would be through the Kai release technique and not "free-form".

Any questions before we continue? ^_^
 

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Good, just remember like it states in our forum rules, biting the tongue is no longer a good enough pain source unless you are biting a piece of it off. And that would mean a lot of blood lose in the long run. Not so good.



I'm glad you asked that. We've actually discussed this in HQ not so long ago and have come to the conclusion that the only technique out of the light weight and added weight variants that is valid would be;



This means that any other weight related technique aside from this one will not suffice to release you from a genjutsu.



Although it is stated that Jink's are "immune" to genjutsu they still technically aren't. They do recieve the effects of the genjutsu, however as you stated, they have their bijuu to dispel them shortly after. As for the Ninja inserting their chakra, keep in mind that it would be through the Kai release technique and not "free-form".

Any questions before we continue? ^_^
no questions haha thanks for the light weight help of course

lets continue
 

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no questions haha thanks for the light weight help of course

lets continue
OOC: You're welcome^^

Since genjutsu is a tad bit different I will be changing up the template slightly. When replying to the illusion I would simply like you to post combinations in which you would use the illusion with and ways that you would actually notice its an illusion.

( Magen: Kokoni Arazu no Jutsu ) - Demonic Illusion: False Surroundings Technique
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 10 (+5 if you use it double)
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user casts an illusion over an area that allows him to manipulate the way an area looks to fool an opponent. He can only change the way the terrain looks, and not any other feature.
A very useful illusion. I want you to insert your chakra inside of my clone's brain, you will then manipulate his sense of sight. Utilizing that, I'd like you to change this current plain grass field into something completely up to you.
 

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OOC: You're welcome^^

Since genjutsu is a tad bit different I will be changing up the template slightly. When replying to the illusion I would simply like you to post combinations in which you would use the illusion with and ways that you would actually notice its an illusion.



A very useful illusion. I want you to insert your chakra inside of my clone's brain, you will then manipulate his sense of sight. Utilizing that, I'd like you to change this current plain grass field into something completely up to you.
OCC: sorry for lateness, lol idk how you reply to all those training threads, i can't even make myself reply to my own lmao

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As i see your clone standing in front of me,I think of a terrain and a combo that would best suit this for me. I quickly cast an illusion on it by inserting my chakra into your clones brain and make it seems as there has been a swamp formed under him. Immediately after i cast the genjutsu, I clap my hands and release a water vortex that forms out of nowhere and headed towards your clone. I do this incase your clone decides to use a lightning attack to counter.

(Suiton: Suishōha) - Water Style: Water Shock Wave
Rank: C
Type: Offensive, Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid (Made short range of the user with a med range reach)
Chakra Cost: 15
Damage Points: 30
Descripton: This technique allows the user after claping their hands together to make a spiralling vortex of water out of knowhere. The vortex then proceeds to explode from the top in the form of a wave. The user can also control the direction the wave goes with hand movements.

Combo: see above ^

How to figure it out: well lets say my opponent did what they did to me, I believe I would have notice no use of hand seals (as swamp requires at least 1 if fully mastered) and would have figured it out according to that. Theres also the fact that it only changes the way the ground looks not the way it feels or any other sense, so i would feel that the ground has been unchange but would just see the swamp there, thus figuring out its a genjutsu.
 

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OCC: sorry for lateness, lol idk how you reply to all those training threads, i can't even make myself reply to my own lmao

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As i see your clone standing in front of me,I think of a terrain and a combo that would best suit this for me. I quickly cast an illusion on it by inserting my chakra into your clones brain and make it seems as there has been a swamp formed under him. Immediately after i cast the genjutsu, I clap my hands and release a water vortex that forms out of nowhere and headed towards your clone. I do this incase your clone decides to use a lightning attack to counter.

(Suiton: Suishōha) - Water Style: Water Shock Wave
Rank: C
Type: Offensive, Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid (Made short range of the user with a med range reach)
Chakra Cost: 15
Damage Points: 30
Descripton: This technique allows the user after claping their hands together to make a spiralling vortex of water out of knowhere. The vortex then proceeds to explode from the top in the form of a wave. The user can also control the direction the wave goes with hand movements.

Combo: see above ^

How to figure it out: well lets say my opponent did what they did to me, I believe I would have notice no use of hand seals (as swamp requires at least 1 if fully mastered) and would have figured it out according to that. Theres also the fact that it only changes the way the ground looks not the way it feels or any other sense, so i would feel that the ground has been unchange but would just see the swamp there, thus figuring out its a genjutsu.
OOC: Its cool, I might do the same from time to time, but I'm trying to reply faster than in the old days :p

Very good^^

( Genjutsu: Kahen Tonsou ) - Illusion Technique: Flower Petal Escape
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 10
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user makes five handseals, appearing to dissolve into a shower of cherry blossom petals. These petals surround the opponent, blocking his vision. This allows the user to mask his movement effectively.
After performing the necessary five hand seals, you will manipulate my clone's brain my inserting your chakra, focusing on his visual sense once more. The clone will believe that you seem to suddenly dissolve into a swamp of cherry blossom petals. These petals then head towards the opponent and block his view as they circle around his location and mask your real motives.
 
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