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Honestly, I don't think there's someone that actually distinguishes itself as the Top Goalkeeper actually. You may make a Top 5 or Top 10; but imo, the first place is up for grabs by many.

In 2012, I'd probably have Casillas as No.1; after a stunning season and Euro's win. And I would have Cech as No.2; given his heroics in Chelsea's CL win.

But right now, in 2013, I can't say who's Number 1. Neuer is great but he got too little job at Bayern, to be tested in extremes like many goalkeepers do. Weindenfeiller got an awesome season in early 2013; probably the best till now. De Gea, Muslera & Courtois have made tremendous progress. Diego Lopez & Lloris impressed for most part of the season. Cech has been mostly stable, though a few mistakes. Hart & Casillas have had a declining season; while Buffon is on a decline due to age.

Neuer is young, and with Pep's tactics, maybe he'll now be more of a keyman for Bayern. With his talent, poise and skills, this guy got everything to be the Best Goalkeeper undoubtedly. I can easily see De Gea/Courtois/Muslera fight for that spot, in near-coming years. I love Cech personally - he got all attributes of a world-class goalkeeper and actually is good-great in 90% of Chelsea, and he's maintained that consistency for years. And Lloris is great. If Dortmund remain a top dog in European echelon in coming years, expect Weindenfeiller. Tim Krul, Begovic & Diego Lopez impressed me in many matches too. Perhaps, they'll be in Top 10 someday; certainly got the potential. Buffon/Casillas are hanging with their experience; for how many years, I can't say.

Hart is best English goalkeeper over more than a decade, but he's still overrated. it's not about his skills - it's about his perception and intellect skill. Goalkeeping requires lots of thinking, studying, research, focus, concentration skills; along with technical abilities. In short, Hart doesn't make full use of his talent. You can easily see a different commanding body posture in Cech/Casillas/Neuer or a different imposing personality in Buffon/Lloris/Weindenfeiller - this is actually highly important factor for a goalkeeper. Hart doesn't have that, yet. And it isn't only Hart, Abbiati/Sczeny/Handanovic/Stekeelenburg ect... can all be among the best, if they were more consistent and make better use of their gained experience. It's not that they lack skills or talent. De Gea/Courtois/Muslera's learning graph rate is better than Hart - in fact, I'd rate most of them ahead of Hart already.
Quite frankly i feel neuer is very good but slightly overrated bayern conceded the the least goals i think, in europe that is, certainly in the bundesliga and all that though credit is to be given to neuer being the keeper and all, but most of that falls on the defenders who were exceptional last season, dante, lahm,alaba, boateng they were all amazing and definitely one of the most instrumental factors to bayern success, its just like barcelona and this coming from me being a barcelona fan, victor valdes our current keeper well how do i put it emm isn't the "best of keepers" but in years like 2009 and 2011 were barca was unstoppable, it was their defense especially in 2009 the back line of pique and puyol, that when puyol was still not old and was still at his peak barca where almost unstoppable and all that praise majority of it though should fall unto the defenders, i think hart had a miserable last season and was below par of the standards expected from him, no doubt the odds are that neur would be in the world xi and deservedly so for all the accolades and trophy his team won but when it comes to ones individual performance , cech, de gea, and weindefeller would give him a run for his money. I also think casillas is not the casillas of euro 2012 his injuries along with his time on the bench as made him rusty as one could clearly see in the confederations cup[the penalty shoot out against italy].
 

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Unfortunately, I'm a bit busy to make a Pre-Match Preview (as much as I'd love to do it). Don't know about Post-Match either...Perhaps, tomorrow. But I'm really hyped for United-Chelsea. It's the most heated non-derby match in England; with 2 top-teams driven by pure will to win, rivalry and ambition. And obviously, Rooney's situation has thrown an overdose of spice in the proceedings. Point-wise, it's still early in the season and it won't make much difference in the balance but psychologically, it's gonna be interesting who wins this one.

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Manchester United starting XI: De Gea; Jones, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra; Carrick, Cleverley; Valencia, Rooney, Welbeck; Van Persie

Substitutes: Lindegaard, Smalling, Buttner, Anderson, Giggs, Young, Kagawa

Chelsea starting XI: Cech; Ivanovic, Cahill, Terry, Cole; Ramires, Lampard; De Bruyne, Oscar, Hazard; Schurrle

Substitutes: Schwarzer, Azpilicueta, Essien, Mikel, Mata, Lukaku, Torres
 
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Unfortunately, I'm a bit busy to make a Pre-Match Preview (as much as I'd love to do it). Don't know about Post-Match either...Perhaps, tomorrow. But I'm really hyped for United-Chelsea. It's the most heated non-derby match in England; with 2 top-teams driven by pure will to win, rivalry and ambition. And obviously, Rooney's situation has thrown an overdose of spice in the proceedings. Point-wise, it's still early in the season and it won't make much difference in the balance but psychologically, it's gonna be interesting who wins this one.

EDIT:

Manchester United starting XI: De Gea; Jones, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra; Carrick, Cleverley; Valencia, Rooney, Welbeck; Van Persie

Substitutes: Lindegaard, Smalling, Buttner, Anderson, Giggs, Young, Kagawa

Chelsea starting XI: Cech; Ivanovic, Cahill, Terry, Cole; Ramires, Lampard; De Bruyne, Oscar, Hazard; Schurrle

Substitutes: Schwarzer, Azpilicueta, Essien, Mikel, Mata, Lukaku, Torres
from this i would say David Luiz and Rafael are both injured? ;)
Chelsea for the win U_U
Chelsea sucks and Mourinho should just think before he sais something, like seriously
 

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since you're talking about goalkeepers, can you give me your lists?


TOP 5 Goalkeepers imo:

1) Neuer (just incredible keeper imo)
2) Buffon (the guy is old but freakin beast)
3) Lloris (BEAST)
4) Casillas (i don't know what to think about him, last season he didn't play much cause of injury and after injury Lopez was in form, but i still place him in TOP 5)
5) Čech/Hart (imo, Hart is keeper who just sucks or is godly on Neuer level, on the other hand Čech keeps his form imo)


Just to mention them:
De Gea (has great potential imo and is doing pretty well in ManU imo)
Júlio César (i just like him lol ;))
I would like to keep



oh, i heard AW wants Benzema and Di Maria, he offered 40 mil for Benzema, but i doubt Real will accept as they would then have only Morata for striker, on the other hand i think Di Maria is quite a good possibility U_U
I would like to put Buffon above Neuar, except that nice list...:win:

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Why? If SAF was still here Rooney would have left in the beginning of the TM anyway.
Who knows, he could have convinced him...:yeah:
And at least he would have brought good midfielder....:NO:
United scum will finish somewhere in mid-table this season. Happy times =D
No, we will bounce back..#trustunited#trustboys
 

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MANU ? nah more like Everton Upgrade !!!!
I actually wanted Fellaini from the start, to replace Cleverley. Fabregas and Thiago were better players; however, despite being more creative, they would have been replacement of Scholes. Fellaini brought that brute force along with Carrick, that is missing since Roy Keane's departure and that Hargreaves wasn't destined to replace.

I also wanted Strootman as backup of Carrick, but maybe Herrera might afterall, be not such a bad move either.

As long as it's 2 midfielders by the end of this transfer, I will be satisfied.

That being said, I can't stand Ashley Young anymore - should sell that guy. And Welbeck shouldn't start - I'd rather play Kagawa out of position as an inside-winger or Januzaj - rather than him.

Coming back to the hot transfer of today: I do believe that Bale will be a success. But frankly, I wonder if it was worth to lose both Ozil & Kaka, for Madrid.
 

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I actually wanted Fellaini from the start, to replace Cleverley. Fabregas and Thiago were better players; however, despite being more creative, they would have been replacement of Scholes. Fellaini brought that brute force along with Carrick, that is missing since Roy Keane's departure and that Hargreaves wasn't destined to replace.

I also wanted Strootman as backup of Carrick, but maybe Herrera might afterall, be not such a bad move either.

As long as it's 2 midfielders by the end of this transfer, I will be satisfied.

That being said, I can't stand Ashley Young anymore - should sell that guy. And Welbeck shouldn't start - I'd rather play Kagawa out of position as an inside-winger or Januzaj - rather than him.

Coming back to the hot transfer of today: I do believe that Bale will be a success. But frankly, I wonder if it was worth to lose both Ozil & Kaka, for Madrid.
The way it's going United might end up not getting anything :/
 

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I actually wanted Fellaini from the start, to replace Cleverley. Fabregas and Thiago were better players; however, despite being more creative, they would have been replacement of Scholes. Fellaini brought that brute force along with Carrick, that is missing since Roy Keane's departure and that Hargreaves wasn't destined to replace.

I also wanted Strootman as backup of Carrick, but maybe Herrera might afterall, be not such a bad move either.

As long as it's 2 midfielders by the end of this transfer, I will be satisfied.

That being said, I can't stand Ashley Young anymore - should sell that guy. And Welbeck shouldn't start - I'd rather play Kagawa out of position as an inside-winger or Januzaj - rather than him.

Coming back to the hot transfer of today: I do believe that Bale will be a success. But frankly, I wonder if it was worth to lose both Ozil & Kaka, for Madrid.
I agree with you Escorpiius but disagree with Kagawa playing as an inside-winger, ya but Januzaj isn't a bad option...
And latest transfer, I think it's a waste of money, to pay this much amount of sum for Bale, and moreover losing Ozil and Kaka isn't a good thing....
 
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