[Theory] Gear Fifth

[Punk Hazard]

Giant Luffy wouldn't have the quantity blood necessary to circulate his giant size. Also Awakening is inevitable since the time it was introduced that Luffy will obtain it down the road.

It's not like Luffy has to obtain everything we see in the series. Otherwise, we're gonna see some Gomu Gomu no Diable Ashura Tekkai Onitake.

 

[Yubel]

It's not like Luffy has to obtain everything we see in the series. Otherwise, we're gonna see some Gomu Gomu no Diable Ashura Tekkai Onitake.

No but he will obtain awakening because it's a new concept that he became exposed to that could be learned by him. He has no reason to copy his crew mates, he's not that desperate. I don't know why him learning Awakening means he has to copy everything he sees.

 

[Punk Hazard]

No but he will obtain awakening because it's a new concept that he became exposed to that could be learned by him. He has no reason to copy his crew mates, he's not that desperate. I don't know why him learning Awakening means he has to copy everything he sees.

That's not what I meant. I meant Luffy doesn't have to learn Awakening just because it's a new concept exposed to him. I have faith in Oda that if he makes Luffy Awaken, it'll be badass. But people here are making the novelty wear off because every other post is "Luffy will Awaken." Like, we get it, let's move on to more creative ideas now.

 

[Yubel]

That's not what I meant. I meant Luffy doesn't have to learn Awakening just because it's a new concept exposed to him. I have faith in Oda that if he makes Luffy Awaken, it'll be badass. But people here are making the novelty wear off because every other post is "Luffy will Awaken." Like, we get it, let's move on to more creative ideas now.

Then you're blaming Oda for the fans being hyped about his series and talking about a concept he introduced because it's wearing the novelty off? That makes no sense. There is nothing new to move on to, this is the new thing, your logic is all messed up.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Then you're blaming Oda for the fans being hyped about his series and talking about a concept he introduced because it's wearing the novelty off? That makes no sense. There is nothing new to move on to, this is the new thing, your logic is all messed up.

Christ, that reading comprehension.

I'm not blaming Oda at all, where did you get that? I said I have faith he'll make it badass and something that I'd enjoy.

Everytime Luffy getting stronger is brought up, every other post is "He'll Awaken." People don't even give ideas for what the Awakening will be 90% of the time. It makes the discussion boring. I'm saying instead of just saying "He'll Awaken," give an idea for what it'll be or give a creative idea so there's an actual discussion. People just going awaken over an over makes me wish it doesn't happen so they shut up.

 

[Yubel]

Christ, that reading comprehension.

I'm not blaming Oda at all, where did you get that? I said I have faith he'll make it badass and something that I'd enjoy.

Everytime Luffy getting stronger is brought up, every other post is "He'll Awaken." People don't even give ideas for what the Awakening will be 90% of the time. It makes the discussion boring. I'm saying instead of just saying "He'll Awaken," give an idea for what it'll be or give a creative idea so there's an actual discussion. People just going awaken over an over makes me wish it doesn't happen so they shut up.

What ideas are there? It's already well established at this point that awakening is simply his DF becoming part of his environment and him using it for different strategies. Since you're complaining so much how about you come with ideas first?

 

[Punk Hazard]

What ideas are there? It's already well established at this point that awakening is simply his DF becoming part of his environment and him using it for different strategies. Since you're complaining so much how about you come with ideas first?

I have? The Life Return idea from earlier? Expansion of Haoshoku and Busoshoku Haki? New styles of physical combat? Don't ask me what ideas are there, that's not how ideas work. Make them.

Also it was never said Awakening just effects the environment.

 

[Yubel]

I have? The Life Return idea from earlier? Expansion of Haoshoku and Busoshoku Haki? New styles of physical combat? Don't ask me what ideas are there, that's not how ideas work. Make them.

Also it was never said Awakening just effects the environment.

As far as paramecia goes it was clearly demonstrated that awakening mainly lets you control your environment after transforming it to the properties of your fruit. I assume the same is true for logia as Akainu and Aokiji's fight probably forced them both to use awakening. Also Doflamingo was defeated after fighting with Awakening for a good while, if there was more to it than environment control then I'm sure he wouldn't hesitate to show it considering his situation.

 

[Punk Hazard]

As far as paramecia goes it was clearly demonstrated that awakening mainly lets you control your environment after transforming it to the properties of your fruit. I assume the same is true for logia as Akainu and Aokiji's fight probably forced them both to use awakening. Also Doflamingo was defeated after fighting with Awakening for a good while, if there was more to it than environment control then I'm sure he wouldn't hesitate to show it considering his situation.

We've seen that Doflamingo's Awakening affect the environment, not that all Paramecia affect the environment or even have Awakening.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

If Luffy ever can 'awaken' his environement' (I hope not and wish for something totally new) it could prove quite usefull.
His opponent could bounce right off back at him. A gear 4 gattling could be made possible which wouldn't be the case now cause the opponents would just fly away a few hundred meters cause of the impact. Environement awakening could prevent that.
I still want to see somethign else tho, would be boring for al paramecia to have the same type of awakening.

 

[Yubel]

We've seen that Doflamingo's Awakening affect the environment, not that all Paramecia affect the environment or even have Awakening.

Not many people will have an awakened DF. However as far as Paramecia is concerned it appears Doflamingo is using strings in his environment instead of from his body. Since Luffy is a paramecia too I don't see why he wouldn't be able to turn his environment into his DF, in this case rubber. Since DF's can enter weapons and inanimate objects as we've observed pre-timeskip. It makes sense that all DF's are capable of this much.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Not many people will have an awakened DF. However as far as Paramecia is concerned it appears Doflamingo is using strings in his environment instead of from his body. Since Luffy is a paramecia too I don't see why he wouldn't be able to turn his environment into his DF, in this case rubber. Since DF's can enter weapons and inanimate objects as we've observed pre-timeskip. It makes sense that all DF's are capable of this much.

Because that would make him a Logia.

And the inanimate thing applied for Zoans only.

 

[Yubel]

Because that would make him a Logia.

And the inanimate thing applied for Zoans only.

Doflamingo ain't a logia yet he's doing the same thing so that's not an argument. He also specifically said Awakening allows your DF to affect things other than the user. Logia DF don't affect their environments either, not in the way Awakening allows.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Doflamingo ain't a logia yet he's doing the same thing so that's not an argument. He also specifically said Awakening allows your DF to affect things other than the user. Logia DF don't affect their environments either, not in the way Awakening allows.

Doflamingo isn't a Logia when Awakening because he doesn't become string. He isn't made of string, he creates strings, so his Awakening extends that. If Luffy is made of rubber, so his Awakening would have to extend on that trait. If Luffy turns the environment into rubber, then he's creating rubber and made of rubber, which would make him a Logia.

 

[Yubel]

Doflamingo isn't a Logia when Awakening because he doesn't become string. He isn't made of string, he creates strings, so his Awakening extends that. If Luffy is made of rubber, so his Awakening would have to extend on that trait. If Luffy turns the environment into rubber, then he's creating rubber and made of rubber, which would make him a Logia.

String is still a solid thing that doesn't change its properties just like rubber. That's why they're both paramecia and Luffy will turn the ground into rubber just like his body. He isn't creating rubber, his DF merely extends to his environment.

 

[Punk Hazard]

String is still a solid thing that doesn't change its properties just like rubber. That's why they're both paramecia and Luffy will turn the ground into rubber just like his body. He isn't creating rubber, his DF merely extends to his environment.

You just described Kuzan. You know what his fruit is classified as?

And if Luffy turns the environment into rubber then he's created rubber because there is rubber where rubber wwasn't before.

If your body is made of something and you're creating it, then you're a Logia.

 

[Yubel]

You just described Kuzan. You know what his fruit is classified as?

And if Luffy turns the environment into rubber then he's created rubber because there is rubber where rubber wwasn't before.

If your body is made of something and you're creating it, then you're a Logia.

No because he's not creating rubber, his DF is being "eaten" by the environment just like his body when he ate it. Doflamingo creates strings from his body yet suddently stones are doing it, makes no more sense than Luffy having the ground create rubber.

 

[Punk Hazard]

No because he's not creating rubber, his DF is being "eaten" by the environment just like his body when he ate it. Doflamingo creates strings from his body yet suddently stones are doing it, makes no more sense than Luffy having the ground create rubber.

Not really. Doffy is creating strings from the ground. That whole "The ground is eating his fruit too" thing is completely made up.

If Luffy turns the ground into rubber, then rubber has been created. That would make him Logia.

 

[SirCaedus]

Gear 5 will take him to yonko level, and gear 6 will take him beyond, aka pirate king

 

[Yubel]

Not really. Doffy is creating strings from the ground. That whole "The ground is eating his fruit too" thing is completely made up.

If Luffy turns the ground into rubber, then rubber has been created. That would make him Logia.

His fruit is what is creating strings on the ground because his DF became part of the area. He could never just create strings out of rocks out of nowhere unless his DF transformed the ground to be able to make string just like it enabled his body to make strings when he ate it. It's not made up, it's the only sensible explanation.

Luffy won't turn the ground into rubber, the ground will "eat" the DF to become rubber like Luffy did, that's what awakening is. Your DF ability goes into your surroundings and lets you control it like an extension of your body.