[Discussion] Gear 4 and Cp-0

[Rikudou Tobi]

One thing I was waiting for is what would happen if Gear 4 Luffy were to ever clash with a yonkou or Yonkou defend a Gear 4th attack and vice versa. And well, this chapter answered a lot about how this trump card is played.
Gear 4th has the brute force power

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and for all those who are sweet commander and lower would get tossed about if they receive a direct hit like these guys did:

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I'm not saying Luffy is yonkou level, not at all. But his physical strength hangs up there with those guys and his haki is pretty good too considering that Bellamy said Luffy's haki

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so you know it's up there. His 3rd gear haki is no joke either but it's too slow and easily avoidable that there is no weight luffy's small body can put behind those punches to threaten top tier characters. So that's intereting to see.

As for Cp aigis 0. How powerful do you think they are?

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[Passerby]

Katakuri would no diff G4 Luffy. Even if Katakuri were to take a direct hit he would still destroy Luffy.

Right now Luffy is 4th Commander Level.(Snack)
He has yet to reach Cracker, Smoothie and Katakuri.

 

[Sojiro]

I imagine Katakuri to either take the hit and get up or anticipate G4 and counter it effectively due to his CoO giving him a type of precognition. I see Smoothie getting blown away but not staying down like Doffy did.

As for the CP0 agents, it's really hard to say. We can only imagine Lucci is much stronger than before and that he'd at least keep up with Luffy. I don't think Lucci or Stussy will be the strongest of them. Stussy was impressive with her flying shigan though. I'd say they'll be as strong as some of the strongest VAs we've seen outside of Garp. Their strength probably varies to people like Vergo and maybe get as strong as Doffy is what I'd speculate

 

[Dgrayman]

Katakuri would no diff G4 Luffy. Even if Katakuri were to take a direct hit he would still destroy Luffy.

Right now Luffy is 4th Commander Level.(Snack)
He has yet to reach Cracker, Smoothie and Katakuri.

dude really :|, he beat cracker and i don't want to hear that nami using that rain shit

 

[Dgrayman]

katakuri is not no diff luffy gtf y'all need to stop down grading luffy like that he not no ****ing push over

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I imagine Katakuri to either take the hit and get up or anticipate G4 and counter it effectively due to his CoO giving him a type of precognition. I see Smoothie getting blown away but not staying down like Doffy did.

He evades them like he did for Jinbei and Pedro's attacks. He's not the type to go head to head like a Yonkou would. But I agree that he wouldn't stay down like doffy did.

As for the CP0 agents, it's really hard to say. We can only imagine Lucci is much stronger than before and that he'd at least keep up with Luffy. I don't think Lucci or Stussy will be the strongest of them. Stussy was impressive with her flying shigan though. I'd say they'll be as strong as some of the strongest VAs we've seen outside of Garp. Their strength probably varies to people like Vergo and maybe get as strong as Doffy is what I'd speculate

They're way stronger than a Vice admiral and Vergo wouldn't be the strongest. Even Tsuru is stronger than Vergo because she was there during Garps time.
I always thought that Cp aigis 0 was stronger than vice admirals because they are the strongest agency that work directly under the Gorosei. Lucci being there doesn't make sense to me but you are right that him and Strussy are not the strongest.

katakuri is not no diff luffy gtf y'all need to stop down grading luffy like that he not no ****ing push over

I never did :lol
But I don't think he's beating dogtooth though, it'll be a long fought out war.

 

[Dgrayman]

He evades them like he did for Jinbei and Pedro's attacks. He's not the type to go head to head like a Yonkou would. But I agree that he wouldn't stay down like doffy did.

They're way stronger than a Vice admiral and Vergo wouldn't be the strongest. Even Tsuru is stronger than Vergo because she was there during Garps time.
I always thought that Cp aigis 0 was stronger than vice admirals because they are the strongest agency that work directly under the Gorosei. Lucci being there doesn't make sense to me but you are right that him and Strussy are not the strongest.

I never did :lol
But I don't think he's beating dogtooth though, it'll be a long fought out war.

i wasn't taking to u :lol, but I agree it would be a long out faught war but in the end luffy will have to come out on top and honestly when luffy and his crew come back to fight big mom's luffy not even gone be fighting him it will be sanji fighting dogtooth

 

[Bimbonium]

I agree Luffy's G4 seems to be able to clash with BM, the problem tho is that BM doesn't seem to rely on brute strength and she casually blocked a G4 hit (a casual G hit tho), so I kinda don't see G4 doing much against Kaido (a Yonko that seems to rely on brute strength).
Someone pointed out that G4's hype stayed intact since apparently Luffy wasn't bodied in G4 (BM sapped his strength).

About Cp 0, it will be weird if they were as strong as admirals, so I'll place them at Dressrosa Zoro level (slightly below Law). Also the flying shigan was used by Rob Lucci iirc, so it's nothing special.

Off topic: Lol at people saying Katakuri would no diff g4 Luffy, when we've not even seen the guy take a legit hit (he's been evading them)

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

i wasn't taking to u :lol, but I agree it would be a long out faught war but in the end luffy will have to come out on top and honestly when luffy and his crew come back to fight big mom's luffy not even gone be fighting him it will be sanji fighting dogtooth

I don't know about Sanji fighting dogtooth though, he's the strongest besides Big mam.
And luffy's gonna have to figure out how to bypass whatever ability Big mam is doing to drain his energy.

 

[Dgrayman]

I don't know about Sanji fighting dogtooth though, he's the strongest besides Big mam.
And luffy's gonna have to figure out how to bypass whatever ability Big mam is doing to drain his energy.

Yea then door, because luffy gone have to fight bigmom

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I agree Luffy's G4 seems to be able to clash with BM, the problem tho is that BM doesn't seem to rely on brute strength and she casually blocked a G4 hit (a casual G hit tho), so I kinda don't see G4 doing much against Kaido (a Yonko that seems to rely on brute strength).
Someone pointed out that G4's hype stayed intact since apparently Luffy wasn't bodied in G4 (BM sapped his strength).

About Cp 0, it will be weird if they were as strong as admirals, so I'll place them at Dressrosa Zoro level (slightly below Law). Also the flying shigan was used by Rob Lucci iirc, so it's nothing special.

Off topic: Lol at people saying Katakuri would no diff g4 Luffy, when we've not even seen the guy take a legit hit (he's been evading them)

I agree with everything you said besides the brute strength part. The moment we saw her she's been using brute strength since she was introduce and since she was 6 years old. She did use Haki to stop G4 punch but she used her bare hand to stop G3 elephant thor, but like you did point out I think her Df is sapping luffy's energy which could be the case.

I don't think aigis 0 is on admiral level. Aokiji, Kizaru, and Akainu impressed me way too much to see the agents do anything that significant. Maybe they're warlord level.

 

[Dgrayman]

I don't know about Sanji fighting dogtooth though, he's the strongest besides Big mam.
And luffy's gonna have to figure out how to bypass whatever ability Big mam is doing to drain his energy.

well then zoro because luffy gone have to fight bigmom , and yea u right he gonna have to train for a couple of weeks while they go to wano , he s gonna have to train for gear 5 , because oda already foreshadow with this chapter saying that kaido will fall I just don't see how they will do it but luffy eventually have to beat all yonko because they not going to just sit by and watch him become pirate king and i also don't think the straw hat alliance will come into play intill they fight the world gov

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

well then zoro because luffy gone have to fight bigmom , and yea u right he gonna have to train for a couple of weeks while they go to wano , he s gonna have to train for gear 5 , because oda already foreshadow with this chapter saying that kaido will fall I just don't see how they will do it but luffy eventually have to beat all yonko because they not going to just sit by and watch him become pirate king and i also don't think the straw hat alliance will come into play intill they fight the world gov

He's gonna fight the world govt. once he attains Onepiece from what Whitebeard said Sengoku feared. Maybe luffy will finally awaken? Because these gears are taking a toll on his body, so he'll need something that will not tamper with his stamina.

 

[Punk Hazard]

An Emperor blocking a Gear Fourth punch does not mean Luffy has strength on the level of that Emperor. You can't make that claim until Luffy is the one blocking a physical blow from that Emperor.

 

[Sojiro]

He evades them like he did for Jinbei and Pedro's attacks. He's not the type to go head to head like a Yonkou would. But I agree that he wouldn't stay down like doffy did.

They're way stronger than a Vice admiral and Vergo wouldn't be the strongest. Even Tsuru is stronger than Vergo because she was there during Garps time.
I always thought that Cp aigis 0 was stronger than vice admirals because they are the strongest agency that work directly under the Gorosei. Lucci being there doesn't make sense to me but you are right that him and Strussy are not the strongest.

I wasn't saying Vergo is strongest, he's probably not even top 5 VAs considering we're probably see more. I'd estimate Tsuru and Momanga to be superior and more skilled. But when it comes to the strength of CP-O, I'd guess their strength would start at Vergo's level. I imagine most of the agents to at least rival or be stronger than the VAs we've seen already, which is why I mention Doffy as well, cause he's far stronger than all the VAs we've seen.

I wouldn't go as far to say that for sure though just because they work directly under the Gorosei. The main fighting and conflict is handled by the Marines and their higher ups. I feel that CP0 has its position because of power but mainly because they are not only the most trusted individuals but can take of most tasks without fail and are highly prepared for all missions they're given. But if they are to fail then an admiral would be brought in. That's how I see their strength for now.

 

[Dgrayman]

He's gonna fight the world govt. once he attains Onepiece from what Whitebeard said Sengoku feared. Maybe luffy will finally awaken? Because these gears are taking a toll on his body, so he'll need something that will not tamper with his stamina.

Yea, he's gonna have to train and power up before wano that's all Ik and I'm pretty sure oda knows it to , cause he gonna have to eventually defeat these yonko there's no other way around it

 

[Jaylord]

One thing I was waiting for is what would happen if Gear 4 Luffy were to ever clash with a yonkou or Yonkou defend a Gear 4th attack and vice versa. And well, this chapter answered a lot about how this trump card is played.
Gear 4th has the brute force power

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and for all those who are sweet commander and lower would get tossed about if they receive a direct hit like these guys did:

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I'm not saying Luffy is yonkou level, not at all. But his physical strength hangs up there with those guys and his haki is pretty good too considering that Bellamy said Luffy's haki

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so you know it's up there. His 3rd gear haki is no joke either but it's too slow and easily avoidable that there is no weight luffy's small body can put behind those punches to threaten top tier characters. So that's intereting to see.

As for Cp aigis 0. How powerful do you think they are?

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Is there a new chapter alread?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Yea, he's gonna have to train and power up before wano that's all Ik and I'm pretty sure oda knows it to , cause he gonna have to eventually defeat these yonko there's no other way around it

Oda did say we won't like how Kaidou goes down so I hope you're right

Is there a new chapter alread?

Yeah

I wasn't saying Vergo is strongest, he's probably not even top 5 VAs considering we're probably see more. I'd estimate Tsuru and Momanga to be superior and more skilled. But when it comes to the strength of CP-O, I'd guess their strength would start at Vergo's level. I imagine most of the agents to at least rival or be stronger than the VAs we've seen already, which is why I mention Doffy as well, cause he's far stronger than all the VAs we've seen.

Oh okay i see what you mean. So like roughly around warlord level if anything. They could be to be honest.

I wouldn't go as far to say that for sure though just because they work directly under the Gorosei. The main fighting and conflict is handled by the Marines and their higher ups. I feel that CP0 has its position because of power but mainly because they are not only the most trusted individuals but can take of most tasks without fail and are highly prepared for all missions they're given. But if they are to fail then an admiral would be brought in. That's how I see their strength for now.

Oda's really trying to regurgitate the federal system a little bit here. Cp aigis being federal agents and Naval officiers being federal police in a sense.
I see whatcha mean now, thanks.

 

[Bimbonium]

I agree with everything you said besides the brute strength part. The moment we saw her she's been using brute strength since she was introduce and since she was 6 years old. She did use Haki to stop G4 punch but she used her bare hand to stop G3 elephant thor, but like you did point out I think her Df is sapping luffy's energy which could be the case.

I don't think aigis 0 is on admiral level. Aokiji, Kizaru, and Akainu impressed me way too much to see the agents do anything that significant. Maybe they're warlord level.

She's physically strong, heck she's a monster in her own right, but then she finished off Judge with a lightning attack, and she can take the souls of people that are afraid of her, she's also potentially able to sap someone's strength. So, I see her as more than a brute strength fighter.

In contrast, I don't see Kaido having any of this haxx (at best I see him being unrealistically durable, or probably have superhuman strength even among Yonko level characters). Just like Luffy, the best thing Luffy can do other than his blunt attacks is cause burn damage with red hawk.

 

[Dgrayman]

Oda did say we won't like how Kaidou goes down so I hope you're right

Yeah

Oh okay i see what you mean. So like roughly around warlord level if anything. They could be to be honest.

Oda's really trying to regurgitate the federal system a little bit here. Cp aigis being federal agents and Naval officiers being federal police in a sense.
I see whatcha mean now, thanks.

lol, yea I hope he doesn't go down in a way that discredit luffy , because that's stupid if he kills off a powerful foe and luffy didn't had none to do with his down fall