[Discussion] Gear 4 and Cp-0

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She's physically strong, heck she's a monster in her own right, but then she finished off Judge with a lightning attack, and she can take the souls of people that are afraid of her, she's also potentially able to sap someone's strength. So, I see her as more than a brute strength fighter.

In contrast, I don't see Kaido having any of this haxx (at best I see him being unrealistically durable, or probably have superhuman strength even among Yonko level characters). Just like Luffy, the best thing Luffy can do other than his blunt attacks is cause burn damage with red hawk.
Oh like she's pretty versatile and doesn't seem to rely on brute strength like how Kaidou appears to do?
I can see that, but I see Kaidou not only a creature with monsterous strength but at base (no df) he's a savage warrior craftsmen ship in different weapons. Because before you get a df, you have to have a set of base skills too to get you where you are.
lol its said that .? when
In one of his intervies
 

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She did use Haki to stop G4 punch but she used her bare hand to stop G3 elephant thor
What manga is this guy reading? Luffy didn't attack with Elephant Gun Thor, he attacked with a plain Elephant Gun(He doesn't even call it Gun Thor, he calls it plain Elephant Gun). The lightning is from Big Mom grabbing Zeus to attack Reiju.
 

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Oh like she's pretty versatile and doesn't seem to rely on brute strength like how Kaidou appears to do?
I can see that, but I see Kaidou not only a creature with monsterous strength but at base (no df) he's a savage warrior craftsmen ship in different weapons. Because before you get a df, you have to have a set of base skills too to get you where you are.

In one of his intervies
o ok , ;)
 

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lol, yea I hope he doesn't go down in a way that discredit luffy , because that's stupid if he kills off a powerful foe and luffy didn't had none to do with his down fall
To clear up more Rikudou Tobi false claims, Oda never said fans won't like how Kaido is defeated. He said he hasn't figured out what he wants to do yet, but he wants to do something different and fun because "my fans wouldn't like it if Luffy defeats Kaido because his punch is so strong," meaning he doesn't want to have Luffy defeat Kaido by just hitting hard.
 

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lol, yea I hope he doesn't go down in a way that discredit luffy , because that's stupid if he kills off a powerful foe and luffy didn't had none to do with his down fall
Kinda concerned about it since Rogers might of been a similar situation since Linlin made it seem like Rogers snuck in to read the red poleyph (forgot spelling) instead of taking it by force.
 

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Oda did say we won't like how Kaidou goes down so I hope you're right
That is not what Oda said. He said he will not go down in the traditional way how Luffy beats people.

That is why the theory is up that Big Mom might face of against Kaidou. That would be killing 2 birds with 1 stone.
 

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To clear up more Rikudou Tobi false claims, Oda never said fans won't like how Kaido is defeated. He said he hasn't figured out what he wants to do yet, but he wants to do something different and fun because "my fans wouldn't like it if Luffy defeats Kaido because his punch is so strong," meaning he doesn't want to have Luffy defeat Kaido by just hitting hard.
lmao so basically kaido gonna go down in a bull shit way :lmao:
 

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That is not what Oda said. He said he will not go down in the traditional way how Luffy beats people.
Which is what we won't like, him defeating the final villlain 1 v1 while his crew takes out the subordinates.
That is why the theory is up that Big Mom might face of against Kaidou. That would be killing 2 birds with 1 stone.
That's a theory likely not to happen. I don't know who came up with that theory after what Big mam literally said this chapter.
 

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Which is what we won't like, him defeating the final villlain 1 v1 while his crew takes out the subordinates.
Not necessarily. This can still happen, Oda doesn't want it to just be Luffy hitting harder as that would be plain. It can still be a 1 vs 1 with Luffy fighting in a new way or with a new style added in.

That's a theory likely not to happen. I don't know who came up with that theory after what Big mam literally said this chapter.
Nothing Big Mom said this chapter makes the theory unlikely to happen. Oda has set up connections between the two Emperors for so long, it'd be wasteful not to converge them in this way.
 

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Which is what we won't like, him defeating the final villlain 1 v1 while his crew takes out the subordinates.
That is fine, your opinion but those aren't Oda's words. You can dislike it, don't say we because I would love a yonkou vs yonkou fight. Him defeating the final villain 1 v 1 while his crew takes out the subordinates has been done a million times. Why do it a million and one times. Change it up.

That's a theory likely not to happen. I don't know who came up with that theory after what Big mam literally said this chapter.
That is my theory. And there have been signals all along.

Both are after Ceasar. Luffy pissed em both off. He basically is trapped like a rat in the New World when 3/4 Yonkou want to drink your blood.

He is nowhere against Big Mom, and she hinted that Kaidou even might be a bit stronger.

So what did Big Mom literally say this chapter that proves Luffy will beat her ? And even if Luffy manages to beat her how can the rest of his crew get to yonkou crew level ?

So why would the result on Wano be any different than on WCI, Kidd already got stomped, Bege got slapped. Luffy can't last a single punch in his strongest form against a yonkou. Who is he going to call for back-up ? Who has the power to defeat a yonkou besides another yonkou.

I think they will escape WCI, Big Mom pissed as hell goes in pursuit, trespasses into Kaidou territory already agitating him and make him focus his anger on her when he learns she wants to steal Ceasar from him for her giantification proces while he is supposed to make smiles for Kaidou's Zoan army.

But I would like to hear your theory on how Luffy will be taking down 2 yonkou without some asspull timeskip putting him on some kind of god level. Were only 3 arcs after the last timeskip. If Luffy keeps skipping time like this he will be 80 when he reaches Raftel.

"Hey friends thanks for training 2 years, lets set sail. *1 month later* Okay back to training guys !"

This is not Naruto where you train under a waterfall or play with a balloon and get a free power-up. Or Dragonball where if you scream hard enough your hair becomes a different color and your in your next form (what is the strongest form these days gold, red, blue ? or blue with Kaio-ken ?) Or Fairy Tail where you can trap the strongest villain in the series with the power of friendship.

And if you wonder what does that have to do with this thread and gear 4th. You said that Luffy clashed with Big Mom. But that is not what we saw, we saw his strongest form being casually blocked, Big Mom did not strike back. If Big Mom struck back and Luffy was fine you would have a point but at this point Sanji probably had to scrape him of the floor if she did. So the point is his strength doesn't hang up there on yonkou level at all. It's really weird how you came to that conclusion after reading this chapter.
 
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That is fine, your opinion but those aren't Oda's words. You can dislike it, don't say we because I would love a yonkou vs yonkou fight. Him defeating the final villain 1 v 1 while his crew takes out the subordinates has been done a million times. Why do it a million and one times. Change it up.



That is my theory. And there have been signals all along.

Both are after Ceasar. Luffy pissed em both off. He basically is trapped like a rat in the New World when 3/4 Yonkou want to drink your blood.

He is nowhere against Big Mom, and she hinted that Kaidou even might be a bit stronger.

So what did Big Mom literally say this chapter that proves Luffy will beat her ? And even if Luffy manages to beat her how can the rest of his crew get to yonkou crew level ?

So why would the result on Wano be any different than on WCI, Kidd already got stomped, Bege got slapped. Luffy can't last a single punch in his strongest form against a yonkou. Who is he going to call for back-up ? Who has the power to defeat a yonkou besides another yonkou.

I think they will escape WCI, Big Mom pissed as hell goes in pursuit, trespasses into Kaidou territory already agitating him and make him focus his anger on her when he learns she wants to steal Ceasar from him for her giantification proces while he is supposed to make smiles for Kaidou's Zoan army.

But I would like to hear your theory on how Luffy will be taking down 2 yonkou without some asspull timeskip putting him on some kind of god level. Were only 3 arcs after the last timeskip. If Luffy keeps skipping time like this he will be 80 when he reaches Raftel.

"Hey friends thanks for training 2 years, lets set sail. *1 month later* Okay back to training guys !"

This is not Naruto where you train under a waterfall or play with a balloon and get a free power-up. Or Dragonball where if you scream hard enough your hair becomes a different color and your in your next form (what is the strongest form these days gold, red, blue ? or blue with Kaio-ken ?) Or Fairy Tail where you can trap the strongest villain in the series with the power of friendship.

And if you wonder what does that have to do with this thread and gear 4th. You said that Luffy clashed with Big Mom. But that is not what we saw, we saw his strongest form being casually blocked, Big Mom did not strike back. If Big Mom struck back and Luffy was fine you would have a point but at this point Sanji probably had to scrape him of the floor if she did. So the point is his strength doesn't hang up there on yonkou level at all. It's really weird how you came to that conclusion after reading this chapter.
Of course it's implied to be disliked because It's not piracy.
Whooping people's ass, stealing treasures/goods, and escaping overpowered enemies in a very cool fashion. That's the traditional way.
Why would I wanna watch luffy run from his fights by setting a a yonkou vs yonkou scenario, that defeats the purpose.
To be pirate king according to Chinjo is to conquere the seas, beat the admirals, and beat the yonkous. Even luffy said that he wants to stop running away from an admiral when he went to attack Fujitori.
Setting up yonkou vs yonkou situation is not a the theory I would want to conjure up if he's suppose to be pirate king. And I thought Shanks vs Kaidou is already an example of what would happen when a yonkou fights a yonkou. Nothing.
 

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Of course it's implied to be disliked because It's not piracy.
Whooping people's ass, stealing treasures/goods, and escaping overpowered enemies in a very cool fashion. That's the traditional way.
Why would I wanna watch luffy run from his fights by setting a a yonkou vs yonkou scenario, that defeats the purpose.
To be pirate king according to Chinjo is to conquere the seas, beat the admirals, and beat the yonkous. Even luffy said that he wants to stop running away from an admiral when he went to attack Fujitori.
Setting up yonkou vs yonkou situation is not a the theory I would want to conjure up if he's suppose to be pirate king. And I thought Shanks vs Kaidou is already an example of what would happen when a yonkou fights a yonkou. Nothing.
There is no proof Kaidou and Shanks fought and the marines and WG shit their pants when the two met. How cool would it be if Luffy was at the eye of the hurricane while 3 yonkou clash driving Akainu insane.

To be Pirate King you don't need to be the absolute strongest, you need to reach Raftel. Also Luffy is guaranteed to fight Blackbeard. He is not working on a checklist to beat all the baddies, he is surviving long enough until he reaches Raftel. If you can take out competition by putting them against each other, that can be considered a smart move if you remind yourself each of them have a road poneglyph.

Also you haven't answered my question. If Luffy lasts 1 punch against Big Mom. How will he beat Kaidou if he is portrayed stronger ?
 

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There is no proof Kaidou and Shanks fought and the marines and WG shit their pants when the two met. How cool would it be if Luffy was at the eye of the hurricane while 3 yonkou clash driving Akainu insane.
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To be Pirate King you don't need to be the absolute strongest, you need to reach Raftel. Also Luffy is guaranteed to fight Blackbeard. He is not working on a checklist to beat all the baddies, he is surviving long enough until he reaches Raftel. If you can take out competition by putting them against each other, that can be considered a smart move if you remind yourself each of them have a road poneglyph.
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Also you haven't answered my question. If Luffy lasts 1 punch against Big Mom. How will he beat Kaidou if he is portrayed stronger ?
Idk hit him on the weak spot in the right ribcage. I really don't want to see yonkous fight each other for now.
 

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Idk hit him on the weak spot in the right ribcage. I really don't want to see yonkous fight each other for now.
Luffy has to surpass them. He doesn't have to personally fight and defeat every single one. If Luffy fights and defeats Kaido, then he'll assert himself as stronger than all people weaker than Kaido, which is all he needs to do.
 

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Idk hit him on the weak spot in the right ribcage. I really don't want to see yonkous fight each other for now.
Oh shit! I've never seen that part about Shanks having a "scuffle" with Kaido.. doesn't Oda write that information?!?
 

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Oh shit! I've never seen that part about Shanks having a "scuffle" with Kaido.. doesn't Oda write that information?!?
Even if Oda wrote that, there wasn't a word about it in the manga. So I wouldn't call that canon information. And you could also call what Shanks did on Whitebeard's ship a scuffle.

You can't fight a yonkou and reach Marineford without a scratch, there is no way.
 

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Even if Oda wrote that, there wasn't a word about it in the manga. So I wouldn't call that canon information. And you could also call what Shanks did on Whitebeard's ship a scuffle.

You can't fight a yonkou and reach Marineford without a scratch, there is no way.
Yeah.. I would call the whole Shanks and WhiteBeard incident a scuffle as well, but I wouldn't consider it a fight per say..

So maybe Shanks and Kaido's interaction was something similar to that..?.. idk..
 

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Yeah.. I would call the whole Shanks and WhiteBeard incident a scuffle as well, but I wouldn't consider it a fight per say..

So maybe Shanks and Kaido's interaction was something similar to that..?.. idk..
Maybe they made a deal, the yonkou are pretty much an eye for an eye. Big Mom is a good example with her wheel. If you want to leave my crew and take something from me, I will be taking something from you too.

So maybe later on in the story we will get some more info on if Shanks, gave Kaidou something in return. Because he doesn't look like the most reasonable man when you deny him something.
 

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Oh shit! I've never seen that part about Shanks having a "scuffle" with Kaido.. doesn't Oda write that information?!?
Yeah he wrote it. It was in the manga during the marineford arc when Oda was writing what was going on and the introduction of who's who and who's doing what.
It's the page right after the front cover.
They do this after every volume. Only the fan translated manga cut this page out.

So it's canon
 
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