Gai vs madara fight

[Darkboy85]

Hi guys, I have a question.

I skimmed through the madara vs gai fight and saw that it was interrupted by the whole sage of the six path discussion.

Basically, the fight goes like this:

Chapters 667-669 (fight actually starts at chapter 669) / Naruto and sasuke speaking to the sage (chapters 670-671) / last pages of 671-672 (fight resumes and ends with naruto's arrival)

So, my question is, do you guys think it would be weird to have like the whole fight (at least until gai is on the ground in a critical state) and then move on to the discussion with the sage?

The fight would be like this: 667-669 + last pages of 671-672 (up to before narujesus saves the day, so page 15 according to manga reader) and then have chapters 670-671 + last pages of 672 (when naruto arrives).

This would kinda make the fight flow better IMO but, it would also leave one episode with a "huge" cliffhanger (gai about to get hit by madara's truth seeking ball). Then the next episode would be naruto waiking-up in the afterlife and have his convo with the sage, only to come back afterwards and save the day. I don't think it would hinder the timeline so much.

What do you guys think?

 

[Torche]

Thanks for sharing. The problem with this is the events are happening at the same time hence switching from one to the other.

 

[Darkboy85]

Thanks for sharing. The problem with this is the events are happening at the same time hence switching from one to the other.

Hmm, I guess you have a point ^^

But heh, I still think it would be sweet to have it like that too

I don't think it would be the first time were they changed a few events like that.

Let's say that some animator like yamashita (hope I get the name right lol) animated the fight as it looks in the manga, without changing any events, would people be fine to have his animation style wasted on a huge talking part?

 

[Torche]

Hmm, I guess you have a point ^^

But heh, I still think it would be sweet to have it like that too

I don't think it would be the first time were they changed a few events like that.

Let's say that some animator like yamashita (hope I get the name right lol) animated the fight as it looks in the manga, without changing any events, would people be fine to have his animation style wasted on a huge talking part?

I agree that it would be nice to have an uninterrupted version of it, though. :sdo:

 

[Merkel]

Yeah I agree but it doesn't really matter now since all the chapters are released. So you can just read those phases in your own order.

 

[Darkboy85]

Yeah I agree but it doesn't really matter now since all the chapters are released. So you can just read those phases in your own order.

I'm talking about how the anime could possibly adapt said chapters. I know they are released already

 

[Merkel]

I'm talking about how the anime could possibly adapt said chapters. I know they are released already

Ohhh yeah absolutely, would be way better.

 

[Kaneki Kun]

I agree.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Agreed but I personally don't care, Kishi messed up the manga too much at this point. The 8th gate is said to give you power above the 5 Kages, Edo Madara easily beat them and called it child's play. Alive Madara is stronger than Edo Madara and Juubi Madara is even stronger so Gai shouldn't stand a chance at all. Sure Madada only had 1 eye and Gai had a lot of help from Edo Minato, Gaara, Kakashi, and Lee but I don't see Madara getting hit if he was actually serious.

 

[Touken]

Agreed but I personally don't care, Kishi messed up the manga too much at this point. The 8th gate is said to give you power above the 5 Kages, Edo Madara easily beat them and called it child's play. Alive Madara is stronger than Edo Madara and Juubi Madara is even stronger so Gai shouldn't stand a chance at all. Sure Madada only had 1 eye and Gai had a lot of help from Edo Minato, Gaara, Kakashi, and Lee but I don't see Madara getting hit if he was actually serious.

lol how do you put an upper limit on "stronger than the 5 Kage"? I don't remember it being said "just barely stronger than the 5 Kage" or "much stronger than the 5 Kage", so I'm not sure how you have a problem with Kakashi's statement regarding the 8 Gates if he didn't quantify how much stronger the user gets than the 5 Kage.

 

[xxSAGExx]

lol how do you put an upper limit on "stronger than the 5 Kage"? I don't remember it being said "just barely stronger than the 5 Kage" or "much stronger than the 5 Kage", so I'm not sure how you have a problem with Kakashi's statement regarding the 8 Gates if he didn't quantify how much stronger the user gets than the 5 Kage.

Simply look at Gai using the other gates and look at the opponent he used them on. Gai's base is jounin level yet he had to go 6th gate to beat a Kisame clone at 70% power. Then he goes 7th gate against a weakened Kisame (was dried up after getting out of Samehada and absorbed some of Bee's chakra) and Kisame didn't even have Samehada to fuse with so he was far from full power and only lost from lack of info, not being too weak. So if each gate actually gave that much of a powerup then Gai shouldn't need to use 6th and 7th gate against weaken kage level ninja.

I get that the 8th gate is going to be a higher powerup than the other gates but it's not going to be that huge, the gates only remove the limiter on one's chakra; Gai would need Bijuu level chakra to try getting on such a level that Kishi tried to put him on. Yes I know it's Kishi story and he can do whatever he wants but as story goes and the rules and logic it use to follow, it went bad after pein arc.

 

[Angelic.]

a new filler arc starts in the middle xD


that would have to become a flashback

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Agreed but I personally don't care, Kishi messed up the manga too much at this point. The 8th gate is said to give you power above the 5 Kages, Edo Madara easily beat them and called it child's play. Alive Madara is stronger than Edo Madara and Juubi Madara is even stronger so Gai shouldn't stand a chance at all. Sure Madada only had 1 eye and Gai had a lot of help from Edo Minato, Gaara, Kakashi, and Lee but I don't see Madara getting hit if he was actually serious.

There's a difference between power, and skill.And yes Madara was playing with Gai, it's not like he was going all out.

 

[Agent Phrank]

Sounds good, but the entire plot gets interrupted/disregarded by Kaguya's entrance anyways, and there's no recovering from that.

 

[Touken]

Simply look at Gai using the other gates and look at the opponent he used them on. Gai's base is jounin level yet he had to go 6th gate to beat a Kisame clone at 70% power. Then he goes 7th gate against a weakened Kisame (was dried up after getting out of Samehada and absorbed some of Bee's chakra) and Kisame didn't even have Samehada to fuse with so he was far from full power and only lost from lack of info, not being too weak. So if each gate actually gave that much of a powerup then Gai shouldn't need to use 6th and 7th gate against weaken kage level ninja.

I get that the 8th gate is going to be a higher powerup than the other gates but it's not going to be that huge, the gates only remove the limiter on one's chakra; Gai would need Bijuu level chakra to try getting on such a level that Kishi tried to put him on. Yes I know it's Kishi story and he can do whatever he wants but as story goes and the rules and logic it use to follow, it went bad after pein arc.

Gai in base was hanging with Obito. To say he's Jounin level at base is a blatant disregard of Gai's feats, and your statements regarding Kisame imply he was actually physically capable of putting up a challenge against 6G Gai or 7G Gai; he wasn't. He got absolutely stomped by both versions. You're also disregarding the fact that 7G Gai was capable of pushing back Rikodou Madara for a short period of time, so to say 7G Gai is around the same power level as Kisame is honestly silly.

You're forgetting that there was a massive amp in the power-scales after the Pain arc (which admittedly did make the whole series go shitty) but it happened. By your logic (which I agree with), ninja like Madara, Sasuke and Sage Naruto shouldn't exist because they just aren't shinobi anymore.

 

[xxSAGExx]

There's a difference between power, and skill.And yes Madara was playing with Gai, it's not like he was going all out.

I know that but a guy like Madara who has power, skills, and experiences shouldn't get hit that much but I guess Edo Minato, Kakashi, Gaara, and Lee played important roles in that.

Gai in base was hanging with Obito. To say he's Jounin level at base is a blatant disregard of Gai's feats, and your statements regarding Kisame imply he was actually physically capable of putting up a challenge against 6G Gai or 7G Gai; he wasn't. He got absolutely stomped by both versions. You're also disregarding the fact that 7G Gai was capable of pushing back Rikodou Madara for a short period of time, so to say 7G Gai is around the same power level as Kisame is honestly silly.

You're forgetting that there was a massive amp in the power-scales after the Pain arc (which admittedly did make the whole series go shitty) but it happened. By your logic (which I agree with), ninja like Madara, Sasuke and Sage Naruto shouldn't exist because they just aren't shinobi anymore.

I hope you mean Gai, Kakashi, KM Naruto, and BM Bee were hanging with Obito right after he used a ton of power controlling 6 Jinchuurikis. Obito focus wasn't on only Gai but each fighter and even then he wasn't going for killing blows; what did he do after cutting Kakashi with giant shurikens? He put him in Kamui instead of killing him. If Gai's base was Kage level then why would he need to go 7th gate to beat a weaken Kisame with no Samehade?

Kisame got stomped? Maybe you should look back at those fights. In the first fight it was Gai vs a 70% power clone of Kisame who didn't really have Samehade nor fused with it. Also he made 3 water clones to hold Lee, Neji, and are ten down which means that 70% power got turned to 1/4th of that yet he still pushed Gai into needing the 6th gate instead of 1st or 2nd gate. In the second fight, Kisame has been hiding in Samehade for days, meaning he could eat or drink anything, and when he existed Samehada he was very scrawny and had to absorb some of Bee's chakra to regain his form. So Gai never once fought a full power base Kisame or Kisame fused with Samehade.

Madara was nerf is why plus he wasn't completely serious. Gai and Lee increase their speed with Shunshin with the gates, so as you can see, they wouldn't have enough chakra to compete with Madara who has the Rinnegan and sensory ability. Madara wasn't even at full power against Naruto and Sasuke; he didn't use any jutsus he did before which would have won him the fight in a few minutes.