Gai vs Hashirama with Shinsusenju summoned

[KingHashirama]

The fact that he did 5 elephant stomp this current chapter, indicates that it any Wood punch comes in contact with Guy, will get bullet through along with Hashirama.

SENJUTSU powered wood punch.

 

[Zee U]

gais attacks dont even have the feats to destroy the mokujin.

lol. Gai punched Madara trough his Onmyoudon shield with a punch. Obito's one, way weaker than Madara's, tanked four Juubidamas and even Senjutsu could do slight damage to it.

Gai destroys that overgrown wood with a fingerflick.

Shinsuusenju isn't even a problem, Hashirama won't be following Gai's movements, let alone hit him with big ass wood hands. Please, we are talking about someone who blitzed Juubi Sage Mode Madara. Get real.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Following the recent chapter in which Madara looks pretty damn hurt, I think Gai takes this.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Probably not. He'd need a lot more than just his 5 step evening elephant to bring down the entire statue.

lol. Gai punched Madara trough his Onmyoudon shield with a punch. Obito's one, way weaker than Madara's, tanked four Juubidamas and even Senjutsu could do slight damage to it.

Gai destroys that overgrown wood with a fingerflick.

Shinsuusenju isn't even a problem, Hashirama won't be following Gai's movements, let alone hit him with big ass wood hands. Please, we are talking about someone who blitzed Juubi Sage Mode Madara. Get real.

obito's omnyoudon never tanked any tbb. It simply nullified it.
Unless people on here now believe that 12 rasengan or an oodama rasengan are now more powerful than 4 juubidama.

 

[Touken]

obito's omnyoudon never tanked any tbb. It simply nullified it.
Unless people on here now believe that 12 rasengan or an oodama rasengan are now more powerful than 4 juubidama.

He nullified an explosion? Riight... Once a Juubi/Bijuu Bomb explodes, it's no longer ninjutsu, it's just an explosion that contains no chakra. Those 12 Rasengans and that Oodama Rasengan contained senjutsu chakra, and senjutsu chakra just so happens to be Onmyoudon's weakness.

 

[AGoodBoy]

He nullified an explosion? Riight... Once a Juubi/Bijuu Bomb explodes, it's no longer ninjutsu, it's just an explosion that contains no chakra. Those 12 Rasengans and that Oodama Rasengan contained senjutsu chakra, and senjutsu chakra just so happens to be Onmyoudon's weakness.

The explosion contains energy. That energy has to be something; and seeing as the chakra wouldn't just up and vanish, once an attack explodes, the energy in the explosion is most likely chakra[

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, it was still a bunch of fuuton chakra which tries to slice at the chakra points; so the chakra in the attack didn't just up and vanish once the attack exploded. So, it's entirely possible that the explosion is simply a large volume of discharged chakra, vaporizing anything in it's path while it's transforming into some other form of energy - which omnyoudon nullified.

Senju chakra isn't it's weakness. It simply stops nullification, that's all. After that, it's all based upon the strength of the person's jutsu. If obito's omnyoudon really did tank a tbb, he wouldn't have gotten scared, when naruto and minato were charging up one, and called out shinju to stop them. He would have simply formed his omnyoudon orb. The only difference between that tbb and juubidama (apart from their tbb being weaker), is that their tbb contains senjutsu and couldn't be nullified.

 

[Touken]

The explosion contains energy. That energy has to be something; and seeing as the chakra wouldn't just up and vanish, once an attack explodes, the energy in the explosion is most likely chakra[

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. as an ex. when naruto's rasenshuriken

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, it was still a bunch of fuuton chakra which tries to slice at the chakra points; so the chakra in the attack didn't just up and vanish once the attack exploded. So, it's entirely possible that the explosion is simply a large volume of discharged chakra, vaporizing anything in it's path while it's transforming into some other form of energy - which omnyoudon nullified.

..No... a Bijuu Bomb is just like a bomb in real life, except that the energy used in NV is black and white chakra instead of certain chemicals which are used in real life. Once a Bijuu Bomb is fired, the black and white chakra reacts and this yields a highly exothermic reaction. It vaporizes anything in its path because of it's exothermic nature, nothing more, nothing less. Fuuton: Rasenshuriken acts completely different to a Bijuu Bomb, it's in no way comparable. The Rasenshuriken doesn't yield an exothermic reaction, so it doesn't give off heat; the jutsu is just pure chakra, whereas the explosion of a Bijuu Bomb contains heat energy, not chakra, that bears the implication that Nagato can use Gakido to absorb an explosion. Can he do that? No.

As stated before, the Bijuu Bomb is like any other bomb in real life, except that the black and white chakra is used for the reaction instead of reactive elements.

Senju chakra isn't it's weakness. It simply stops nullification, that's all. After that, it's all based upon the strength of the person's jutsu. If obito's omnyoudon really did tank a tbb, he wouldn't have gotten scared, when naruto and minato were charging up one, and called out shinju to stop them. He would have simply formed his omnyoudon orb. The only difference between that tbb and juubidama (apart from their tbb being weaker), is that their tbb contains senjutsu and couldn't be nullified.

Hirudora >>>>> a simple senjutsu Rasengan, yet Gai's Hirudora did nothing to JM Madara, while Naruto's senjutsu Rasengan drew blood from Juubito. Senjutsu is definitely a Juubi host's weakness [

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[Haizaki]

Gai would have been dead if it wasn't for Minato.

What are you on about?..no he wouldn't

 

[AGoodBoy]

..No... a Bijuu Bomb is just like a bomb in real life, except that the energy used in NV is black and white chakra instead of certain chemicals which are used in real life. Once a Bijuu Bomb is fired, the black and white chakra reacts and this yields a highly exothermic reaction. It vaporizes anything in its path because of it's exothermic nature, nothing more, nothing less. Fuuton: Rasenshuriken acts completely different to a Bijuu Bomb, it's in no way comparable. The Rasenshuriken doesn't yield an exothermic reaction, so it doesn't give off heat; the jutsu is just pure chakra, whereas the explosion of a Bijuu Bomb contains heat energy, not chakra, that bears the implication that Nagato can use Gakido to absorb an explosion. Can he do that? No.

As stated before, the Bijuu Bomb is like any other bomb in real life, except that the black and white chakra is used for the reaction instead of reactive elements.

Hirudora >>>>> a simple senjutsu Rasengan, yet Gai's Hirudora did nothing to JM Madara, while Naruto's senjutsu Rasengan drew blood from Juubito. Senjutsu is definitely a Juubi host's weakness [

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When a nuclear bomb is detonated it still contains atoms(chakra) among the energy. So you've proven my point in fact...
Take the H-Bomb for example. Through the process of nuclear fission, a hydrogen atom is split. The act of breaking a hydrogen atom releases enormous amounts of energy, which is essentially the explosion, but there are still the remnants of the atoms lingering in that explosion. Through the incredible heat -- which can reach that of the sun -- and the lingering atoms, nuclear fusion can take place and form things like einsteinium, plutonium and the like IIRC(it's been years).
So, Omnyoudon can still nullify that dangerous chakra(the lingering atoms). Chakra, which can severely injure or kill if struck by it (synonymous with being struck by a rasengan). The immense heat, however, would have just been deflected by the omnyoudon orb. The actual defence of omnyoudon isn't strong, but it isn't that weak either. Considering it's 4+ elements combined, it already has the nature advantage of katon which = heat.

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There's no proof of that at all. Hirudora is simple air pressure. The simply act of passing through water significantly dulled the power of hirudora. Obviously going around something solid would reduce it's power even more. Stating hirudora is stronger than a rasengan is baseless. Just because evening elephant made a 60 foot hole doesn't make it stronger. In fact, this would disprove it.

Madara hit by a evening elephant step[

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Juubito hit by a simple sempou rasengan[

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Clearly the rasengan, which is basically a mini explosive, did more damage than the evening elephant. Evening elephant is like holding a gun with blanks to your head. If you press the trigger, you'll kill yourself with the air pressure from the barrel, but a simple knife could still cause more damage than that.

 

[Sasuke]

Hashi wins because of his healing abilities and chakra. He will constantly regenerate and gai wont be able to finish him off. He'll tire out and get killed.

 

[Touken]

When a nuclear bomb is detonated it still contains atoms(chakra) among the energy. So you've proven my point in fact...
Take the H-Bomb for example. Through the process of nuclear fission, a hydrogen atom is split. The act of breaking a hydrogen atom releases enormous amounts of energy, which is essentially the explosion, but there are still the remnants of the atoms lingering in that explosion. Through the incredible heat -- which can reach that of the sun -- and the lingering atoms, nuclear fusion can take place and form things like einsteinium, plutonium and the like IIRC(it's been years).
So, Omnyoudon can still nullify that dangerous chakra(the lingering atoms). Chakra, which can severely injure or kill if struck by it (synonymous with being struck by a rasengan). The immense heat, however, would have just been deflected by the omnyoudon orb. The actual defence of omnyoudon isn't strong, but it isn't that weak either. Considering it's 4+ elements combined, it already has the nature advantage of katon which = heat.

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You can't compare a nuke to a Bijuu Bomb. Nukes leave off radiation behind, hence the lingering atoms after detonation. Plus, you can't in any way compare chakra to atoms/particles, considering the latter is the building blocks of everything and exist everywhere. Chakra doesn't. The heat energy that's given off by a bomb is comprised of atoms, so you trying to replace atoms with chakra in NV is invalid, especially since they both exist in the NarutoVerse anyway. Chakra doesn't replace atoms. A Bijuu Bomb gives off heat energy and that's all there is to it, and I can't get any simpler than this. An exploded Bijuu Bomb contains no chakra, there's no evidence suggesting otherwise.

There's no proof of that at all. Hirudora is simple air pressure. The simply act of passing through water significantly dulled the power of hirudora. Obviously going around something solid would reduce it's power even more. Stating hirudora is stronger than a rasengan is baseless. Just because evening elephant made a 60 foot hole doesn't make it stronger. In fact, this would disprove it.

Madara hit by a evening elephant step[

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Juubito hit by a simple sempou rasengan[

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Clearly the rasengan, which is basically a mini explosive, did more damage than the evening elephant. Evening elephant is like holding a gun with blanks to your head. If you press the trigger, you'll kill yourself with the air pressure from the barrel, but a simple knife could still cause more damage than that.

You just completely ignored what I said and now you're claiming a senjutsu Rasengan is stronger than Evening Elephant. Like I said in my previous post, a senjutsu Rasengan caused more damage because it's Juubito's weakness. Right, I'll try to use a more clear-cut instance. Fuuton: Rasenshuriken made by KCM Naruto (Kyuubi chakra enhances techniques), which is obviously the superior to a senjutsu Rasengan, did no damage to Juubito even though it was combined with Enton [

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Hirudora is oh so obviously superior to a Rasengan. Air pressure exploding underwater increases the strength, dealing massive concussive damage. The denser the substance, the stronger the effect of exploding air pressure, although Gai can obviously alter the size of Hirudora (all it is, is a fast punch; faster the punch, the stronger Hirudora), which is why it didn't kill Kisame, bearing in mind that it wasn't Gai's intention to. Air pressure hitting something solid would result in something more disastrous; heavy damage to almost all organs, especially those that include gassy chambers.

 

[AGoodBoy]

You can't compare a nuke to a Bijuu Bomb. Nukes leave off radiation behind, hence the lingering atoms after detonation. Plus, you can't in any way compare chakra to atoms/particles, considering the latter is the building blocks of everything and exist everywhere. Chakra doesn't. The heat energy that's given off by a bomb is comprised of atoms, so you trying to replace atoms with chakra in NV is invalid, especially since they both exist in the NarutoVerse anyway. Chakra doesn't replace atoms. A Bijuu Bomb gives off heat energy and that's all there is to it, and I can't get any simpler than this. An exploded Bijuu Bomb contains no chakra, there's no evidence suggesting otherwise.

err.. Heat isn't made from atoms.

If we go with your analysis, it's simply a matter of the omnyoudon's melting point being high enough to withstand the heat. The only thing heat can do is melt something(not exactly, but layman's terms for what I'm talking about here).
Therefore, if we just take what you're saying, A large force(from explosion) is being applied over a very large blast range, so the pressure at one point on omnyoudon isn't that great to break it; That means, omnyoudon's just tanking a bunch of heat right now.

You just completely ignored what I said and now you're claiming a senjutsu Rasengan is stronger than Evening Elephant. Like I said in my previous post, a senjutsu Rasengan caused more damage because it's Juubito's weakness. Right, I'll try to use a more clear-cut instance. Fuuton: Rasenshuriken made by KCM Naruto (Kyuubi chakra enhances techniques), which is obviously the superior to a senjutsu Rasengan, did no damage to Juubito even though it was combined with Enton [

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Hirudora is oh so obviously superior to a Rasengan. Air pressure exploding underwater increases the strength, dealing massive concussive damage. The denser the substance, the stronger the effect of exploding air pressure, although Gai can obviously alter the size of Hirudora (all it is, is a fast punch; faster the punch, the stronger Hirudora), which is why it didn't kill Kisame, bearing in mind that it wasn't Gai's intention to. Air pressure hitting something solid would result in something more disastrous; heavy damage to almost all organs, especially those that include gassy chambers.

Like i've already said. Senjutsu stop the neutralizing effects, that's all. Nothing more.
enton-Rasenshuriken obviously wouldn't work because it wasn't stopping the neutralizing effect of omnyoudon. Ergo, it was completely useless how strong the attack was, it was just reduced to absolutely nothing. In a sense, it's like matter meeting anti-matter.

As for the hirudora bit. I won't bother going too much more into that, seeing as it's true that explosions are more effective underwater and what not, so i'll just skip this to evening elephant.
The evening elephant did damage madara internally (he couldn't move), externally it wasn't doing much. But, what i was referring to was against omnyoudon where it simply glided around the omnyoudon since it's still just air pressure. It either has to have enough force to break the omnyoudon, or it goes around aerodynamically. In that respect rasengan packs a bigger 'punch'. Afterall when jiraiya was demonstrating rasengan, and did it on a tree, the rasengan ate through the tree while jiraiya subtly placed it on it; because there's just so much force and pressure there[

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Anyway i'm done now. My eyes are killing me.

 

[Touken]

Heat isn't made of atoms but it's made from atoms. Anyway, I guess we'll leave this for another day then.

 

[PlasticAngelx]

what in the actual fvck? This is hashirama he's fighting, i know ful lwell that madara is stronger what you just said to me had nothing to do with my post. My post countered hashirama's sm sensing ontop of juubi sensing since madara himself still got pounded by his attacks

Lol i was referring to the point that you made that Madara still got slaughtered.

 

[maniaoqan]

Guy speed blitz him before statue can move.