Gai vs deidara ( shots at zexion,caterpillar,Forbidden Technique,Touken) LEH GO

[Touken]

Look at the left panel. There is a clash before the kunai throwing(from Tenten like you say) on the right panel

And that was the shuriken being thrown. It was definitely a clash of metal since there was the shing SFX.

 

[Bogard]

And that was the shuriken being thrown. It was definitely a clash of metal since there was the shing SFX.

Why do you think we see them landing here?

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They were the one clashing with Deidara on the page before

 

[Haizaki]

I'll just repeat what i already said



He never blitzed him in the manga despite having the support of his entire team. Let's be real here. There is no blitz in base

Good point, but considering Deidara didn't even want to fight them but escape them is different...he even said he couldn't outrun them

If he actually try to take them head on, he would have been smacked ...To be realistic, Gai probably won't blitz but Deidara would have a very hard time reacting to Gai considering his mastery in taijutsu

 

[Raphael sannin]

Guy wins!!!

 

[Touken]

Why do you think we see them landing here?

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They were the one clashing with Deidara on the page before

Dude, they were following Deidara run behind the tree. They didn't clash with Deidara at all, unless you're saying that they took their kunai out, even though the page before shows them without kunai [

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[Apêx1]

Tobirama's/Hashirama's chakra have shown to be much more potent than Minato's (and they obviously have larger chakra reserves), considering Tobirama was able to make the room shake with chakra alone, and Hashirama was bringing the room down with chakra alone [

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], yet Minato's Shunshin outclasses both of the Senju [

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]. I don't have the explanation as to why Naruto got a speed boost once he was in KCM but I'm sure I've seen a detailed and logical one on the Base. I'll try to find it.

Incorrect. They are larger in quantities, they aren't stronger. Uchiha's are known for their powerful chakra and spirityal energy whereas senju are known for their physical energy and life force. Even the Kyuubi said Hebi Sasuke's chakra is more potent than his. Senju's have larger chakra quanities, doesn't mean it is stronger chakra. Incorrect, Viz says 4th, your teleportation is faster than mine, Teleportation being FTG. FTG's speed does vary

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, it is not instant as most people think. Even if you were to debate against this (not really refutable) I didn't say it solely relies on the chakra's strength, but its strength, physical speed, and chakra control. Minato could as well have a good stat in all of the other categories and have a weaker stat in the chakra potency.

 

[King Of Pop]

Can go either way

 

[Gold Lightning]

I think people are confused about FTG speed. It's always instant, however the speed to activate the jutsu can vary. When minato tried to summon his shadow to him via FTG, it wasn't instant as usual, it seemed to take a couple seconds.

The same way minato teleporting Kurama was not instant, he had to build up the chakra to do it unlike usual when it's just instant. I think this is what Tobirama was referring to, not the actual speed of the teleportation, but the actual trigger speed.

I hope people understand what I'm saying

 

[paratise]

I love when threads go off topic.

 

[Touken]

I honestly think you're making a D-rank jutsu way more complicated than it has to be. I've just shown you their chakra is strong too. Kisame, someone who's known to be the Tailless Bijuu couldn't replicate what Hashirama/Tobirama did, because he has high chakra reserves, not strong chakra. The stuff about Senju and Uchiha is irrelevant, considering you can work on both Yin & Yang energies and overall, produce a stronger chakra. It's like saying Senju fodder have the same amount of Yin energies as Hashirama.

Viz have always translated Shunshin as teleportation. They translate Hiraishin as Flying Raijin. FTG speed does not vary whatsoever, Tobirama was referring to the delay before each usage of Hiraishin. You can clearly see that there's delay before Tobirama's Shadow Clone can use Hiraishin [

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], whereas there's no delay when Tobirama taps Obito and teleports him out [

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Shunshin requires very basic use of chakra control, has little to do with chakra strength, and is more to do with physical speed.

GL put it perfectly imo.

Last post regarding Shunshin, caterpillar's right, this thread's going off topic.

 

[Apêx1]

I honestly think you're making a D-rank jutsu way more complicated than it has to be. I've just shown you their chakra is strong too. Kisame, someone who's known to be the Tailless Bijuu couldn't replicate what Hashirama/Tobirama did, because he has high chakra reserves, not strong chakra. The stuff about Senju and Uchiha is irrelevant, considering you can work on both Yin & Yang energies and overall, produce a stronger chakra. It's like saying Senju fodder have the same amount of Yin energies as Hashirama.

Viz have always translated Shunshin as teleportation. They translate Hiraishin as Flying Raijin. FTG speed does not vary whatsoever, Tobirama was referring to the delay before each usage of Hiraishin. You can clearly see that there's delay before Tobirama's Shadow Clone can use Hiraishin [

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], whereas there's no delay when Tobirama taps Obito and teleports him out [

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]. Also, do you see Hiraishin being slow when Tobirama's Shadow Clone used it?

Shunshin requires very basic use of chakra control, has little to do with chakra strength, and is more to do with physical speed.

GL put it perfectly imo.

Last post regarding Shunshin, caterpillar's right, this thread's going off topic.

Kisame's chakra is not potent at all. It's just chakra he has absorbed sacked up upon other chakra absorptions which make it seem like its tailed beast quantity. What? Senju's are yang Uchiha's are Yin. And I fail to see the implications of your argument. You were differentiating between Uchiha's and Senju's chakra powers, even though Uchihas' posses stronger chakra. This proved my point, there's nothing else to discuss on this matter. Chakra power varies from person to person. Kakashi said the Kyuubi's chakra is around 8 times stronger than his. Kyuubi told Sasuke in Naruto's subconsciousness that Sasuke was more potent in regards to chakra. Lel, so you are saying you can measure panel speed now? This gets better and better. Panels aren't instant, it is literally impossible to tell the difference no matter how you analyze it. When was Shunshin ever translated as teleportation in VIZ? One scan will suffice. It is physical speed, chakra potency, and chakra control. Ignore it all you want, you can't explain why Uchiha's are fast (shisui, Itachi, Sasuke, madara) and Kyuubi jins get faster. You make it seem as if it doesn't matter, and only physical strength matters. D ranked or not, the most basic techniques can be the most useful techniques.

Yes, it is off topic. This all occured because no one was willing to give any scans of Gai being faster than Hebi Sasuke, and thus transitioned the topic into something that is arguable and debatable. Anyways, back on topic. Speed feats of Gai>Sasuke?

 

[Tyrannus]

If Deidara can keep Guy at a distance he wins, but if any possible way guy can get in close he wins

 

[BlackFlame44]

No one seems to know what the teleportation jutsu does here...

 

[Bogard]

Dude, they were following Deidara run behind the tree. They didn't clash with Deidara at all, unless you're saying that they took their kunai out, even though the page before shows them without kunai [

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], clashed with Deidara and then put their kunai away again while in mid-air, before they landed on the ground [

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They clashed on the right panel without kunais. The kunais on the tree(left panel) was Tenten doings and happened after their clash. What is so hard to understand?

 

[Touken]

They clashed on the right panel without kunais. The kunais on the tree(left panel) was Tenten doings and happened after their clash. What is so hard to understand?

They clashed without kunai yet there was a Shing SFX?

 

[Bogard]

They clashed without kunai yet there was a Shing SFX?

I don't know the definition of that SFX. But whether they used weapons there or not is irrelevant considering you can use weapons as a supplementary move for your ken/taijutsu. The weapons on the tree were used for shuriken throwing instead(which is Tenten's job). I'm honestly tired to explain something so visually simple anyway, so i'll just leave the description of narutopedia

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If even after this, you still think they didn't clash there, then i've nothing else to say here

 

[Touken]

lmao, you then resorted to wiki?

A shing SFX is made when two metals clash. That SFX isn't happening if someone came at me with a knife and I punched the knife.

 

[Bogard]

lmao, you then resorted to wiki?

A shing SFX is made when two metals clash. That SFX isn't happening if someone came at me with a knife and I punched the knife.

Well i can't get into your stubborn mind. Hopefully someone else would. Either way thanks for your explanation

 

[paratise]

Naruto wiki really (._.)

 

[Touken]

Well i can't get into your stubborn mind. Hopefully someone else would. Either way thanks for your explanation

lol, I'm not stubborn. I accept when I'm wrong, and this isn't one of those times.