Gai vs Deidara, Sasori, Hidan, Kakuzu, Konan, Zetsu

[Forbidden Technique]

Oh boy don't even know where I'd begin with all this manga fabrication being thrown around smh

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Fair enough on he exhaustion part.

He doesn't know about IS in the first place. Doubt he knows about Kakuzu's masks or Deidara's flight, given the last time he saw Deidara he wasn't flying. So nah, no reason to give him all this intel, let alone assume he is intelligent enough to deduce the odds of winning without starting with Hirudora vs with. Konan can just turn into paper I'd assume, don't know much about her. She won't be in the centre of the explosion. Sasori dies, sure. Kakuzu dies if he's anywhere close to the centre, but I'd assume he's fast enough to run to the side given he's >Kakashi in speed. As long as he's decently far from the centre he'll survive with Domu. And lol @bold, I consider that a stomp because the numbers don't count. What counts is the condition of the last person alive. If he's unscathed then Gai never stood a chance to begin with, if 2 people are unscathed then the same applies (in my opinion of a stomp). And Deidara is doubtably coming out himself, if anything it'll be a Nendo Bunshin waiting to explode.

Uhhh what? Sasori clearly stated it was difficult for him to do so and that's why he was his favourite puppet; because of the effort it took [

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]. It's clearly stated he was an OPPONENT who was difficult to DEFEAT. So nah, it wasn't a sneak attack by any means, that's wild speculation at best. And what? It was stated while Gaara was Kazekage that the Sandaime was the strongest Kazekage BY FAR [

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]. So your 'dehyping' is laughable at best because you wanting to dehype him doesn't actually mean anything. Fact is he was practically the strongest, or on of the strongest shinobi of his time, and stronger than Gaara "BY FAR". So no, he's pretty much at a similar level as Kisame hype wise. Because he is stronger then the powerful Sandaime prior to having him in his arsenal, and then adding him practically doubles his power. People don't seem to realise Sasori can have 99 puppets fight while Satetsu is in the back firing 1-shot-kill IS at blinding speeds. So yea, he's practically at a similar level, and losing to Chiyo+Sasuke doesn't take away from that particular hype. He's a 1 scratch-win fighter. They had antidotes and intel, and overall a horrendous match-up.

You're saying this as if it's a manga fact when it's not. No reason to give him all this intel? You seriously think that not a single word was said in regards to any of Konohas fights with Sasori, Deidara, or Kakuzu? They fought and then that was it, absolutely nothing. Nothing was ever uttered or mentioned in regards to any of them? Yeah, that's definitely reasonable. Kisame knew of Kakashi as the copy cat ninja. Kakashi knew Kisame was a part of 7 hidden mist swordsmen. And that is without ever encountering each other. At the Kage Summit, Onoki stated that they were all aware of Kisame's Tailess Tailed Beast hype and that he shouldn't be underestimated. Intel and hype is is tossed around everywhere. But you're over here suggesting to me... nevermind, not even worth the arguement. They're all known as dangerous S-class criminal ninja. Unless you're suggesting to me Gai has absolutely zero idea what he's up against, there is zero reason for him to hold back against 6 of them at once without any assistance. That's the bottom line.

Konan turning into paper, which is naturally fragile, should be absolutely obliterated by Hirudora. No other reason to believe otherwise. I agree with the Kakuzu bit. So they start as a 6 man team... All but 2 get absolutely obliterated from existence without too much effort from Gai, but because two of them are able to hide the entire fight and do nothing; that somehow equates as a triumphat stomp when they lost more then half their team. Lmao that logic. A stomp to me would be if all 6 members of that squad comes out of that battle unscathed, after defeating their opponent with minimal effort - which is far from the case. It's not a 2 man team.

Yeah, and? The person you're ambushing is what you call an opponent, and can still be very easily difficult to defeat. Let me know where it was directly stated that Sasori defeated him on equal and mutual fighting terms. It was said that the Sandaime suddenly dissappeared from the village. This suggests that he never even left the village, otherwise people would obviously had to of known of this. You really think a hard fought battle between these two would of went completely unnoticed by an entire village? Especially considering the fact that a Kage always has body guards with him? Unless you want to tell me that the Sandaime purposely snuck out of the village for some sketchy secret agenda, which would also imply something sketchy had to of occurred to him. I would love for you to explain to me how the strongest Kazekage by far and the strongest of his time, getting defeated in a mutually fair fight against Sasori even begins to make sense. Explain to me how Sasori (without his strongest puppet) in a fair fight defeats someone who is supposedly >>>Jiraiya, Minato, Orochimaru, Onoki, Ay, etc., but with his strongest puppet loses to Sakura and Chiyo. Explain to me why this doesn't sound completely retarded. Place Gaara (who is supposedly far weaker then the Sandaime) against Sasori without the Kazekage puppet, and it's a stomp match. Like, I really hope you're joking.

Disagree! Sasori hype easily shits on kisame a hype no diff! Sasori also beats kisame as well. I can see a case of itachi being near obito and Nagato but not kisame when he for sure does not defeat all of them nor is he the same lv as itachi and super far from obito and Nagato.

And even if we were to do fans opinions, kisame is in no ones top 20 just like the rest that are not doujutsu users.

You gone off the molly again bruh? Sasori's hype ain't shit, and neither are his cannon feats. Let me know when Sasori is renown around the shinobi world as the Tailess Tailed Beast. That title alone shits on Sasori of the Red Sand. Let me know when Sasori is effectively a Bijuu without a tail with parallel hype to Perfect Susano'o. Let me know where it was stated that Sasori has zero weaknesses. Let me know where it was stated that Sasori can never tire or be defeated. Let me know when Sasori is the best in the entire Akatsuki at capturing his opponents alive. Let me know when Sasori's chakra reserves are massive amongst the entire Akatsuki. Let me know when it was stated that Sasori has super-human strength at 30% of his capacity. Let me know when Sasori can successfully infiltrate an entire Hidden Village without anyone knowing for an extensive amount of time and figure out all of their battle tactics for the war. Let me know when Sasori can successfully get that intel out while having to get through Killer Bee, Gai, Naruto, and Yamato. Let me know when Sasori can take a shit all over V2 Killer Bee. I'll wait. Inb4 Sasori solo'd a non-notable nation that wasn't even worth naming, and somehow killed the strongest shinobi of his time without any proof of it being a fair fight. Yeah, his hype definitely shits on Kisame's. His entire résumé is absolute trash, and not even comparable to Kisame's.

The mere fact that he lost his very first cannon fight to Sakura and Chiyo say's it all. Inb4 it was a horrible match-up; so was Kisame's fight against Gai, and Gai is a million times stronger then Chiyo and Sakura. Then he get's Edo'd to only get trashed again, and even get surpassed by Kankuro in pure puppet mastery. Kisame is by far the longest lasting and living Akatsuki member (with the best cannon résumé), which speaks volumes of his overall strength considering all of crazy missions they have to go on; and the fact that they're all S-class world criminals. I'm not even going to address the laughable notion of Sasori ever defeating Kisame.

Top numbered lists are trash and outdated. So if you actually want to go by fans opinions, take a look at peoples tier lists. You'll see that the majority place Kisame above Kakuzu, Deidara, and Sasori by at least a whole tier! As usual, when it comes to anything regarding Kisame, your opinion stands alone by itself or with a very few amount of people that don't ever know what they're talking about when it comes to him.

 

[Lord Tywin]

You gone off the molly again bruh? Sasori's hype ain't shit, and neither are his cannon feats. Let me know when Sasori is renown around the shinobi world as the Tailess Tailed Beast. That title alone shits on Sasori of the Red Sand. Let me know when Sasori is effectively a Bijuu without a tail with parallel hype to Perfect Susano'o. Let me know where it was stated that Sasori has zero weaknesses. Let me know where it was stated that Sasori can never tire or be defeated. Let me know when Sasori is the best in the entire Akatsuki at capturing his opponents alive. Let me know when Sasori's chakra reserves are massive amongst the entire Akatsuki. Let me know when it was stated that Sasori has super-human strength at 30% of his capacity. Let me know when Sasori can successfully infiltrate an entire Hidden Village without anyone knowing for an extensive amount of time and figure out all of their battle tactics for the war. Let me know when Sasori can successfully get that intel out while having to get through Killer Bee, Gai, Naruto, and Yamato. I'll wait. Inb4 Sasori solo'd a non-notable nation that wasn't even worth naming, and somehow killed the strongest shinobi of his time without any proof of it being a fair fight. Yeah, his hype definitely shits on Kisame's. His entire résumé is absolute trash, and not even comparable to Kisame's.

The mere fact that he lost his very first cannon fight to Sakura and Chiyo say's it all. Inb4 it was a horrible match-up; so was Kisame's fight against Gai, and Gai is a million times stronger then Chiyo and Sakura. Then he get's Edo'd to only get trashed again, and even get surpassed by Kankuro in pure puppet mastery. Kisame is by far the longest lasting and living Akatsuki member (with the best cannon résumé), which speaks volumes of his overall strength considering all of crazy missions they have to go on; and the fact that they're all S-class world criminals. I'm not even going to address the laughable notion of Sasori ever defeating Kisame.

Top numbered lists are trash and outdated. So if you actually want to go by fans opinions, take a look at peoples tier lists. You'll see that the majority place Kisame is above Kakuzu, Deidara, and Sasori by at least a whole tier! Per usual when it comes to anything regarding Kisame, your opinion stands alone by itself or with a very few amount of people that don't ever know what they're talking about when it comes to him.

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[PT1990]

This Kisame disrespect is sickening. I'm not sure why Sasori gets wanked so much in this section. People are into *** puppets and shit.

Its not even about Kisame disrespect or Sasoris wanking, at least not from me. From my part I always thought that Kisame, Sasori, Deidara and Kakuzu were part of middle-tier in Akatsuki, with relatively small diferences in overall strenght, but with completely different abilities. Its a huge misconception that people take fight against Sakura and Chiyo as valid display of Sasoris strenght, but you must be able to read context in manga.

First of all, you do remember what Rasa was able to do with Golden Dust, right? That guy was able to stall a Bijuu and stop it from destroying the village. Yet, 3rd Kazekage was said to be considerably stronger than that. And guess what? Sasori can use all this strenght. I dont even give a crap how Sasori managed to kill him, but fact is that he has it.

Secondly, Sasori wanted to kill Orochimaru. He knew a lot about him, after all he said that him and Orochimaru accomplished a lot together, so he knew how strong he is. And yet, he still wanted to fight him. Moreover, it was clearly suggested that they fought once. Sasori mentioned that only once he had to use his human puppet body, when some quarrel in Akatsuki happened. Considering that they were paired for a long time, and Sasori hold a grudge against Orochimaru its not that hard to tell that it was fight within the team. We dont know how it went, all we know that both of them survived it so it must have been pretty close. Moreover, Kabuto was very happy to hear that Sasori is dead.

So no, Im not disrespecting Kisame at all, but I just laugh when people name Sasori as one of the weakest Akatsuki members, along with Hidan.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Its not even about Kisame disrespect or Sasoris wanking, at least not from me. From my part I always thought that Kisame, Sasori, Deidara and Kakuzu were part of middle-tier in Akatsuki, with relatively small diferences in overall strenght, but with completely different abilities. Its a huge misconception that people take fight against Sakura and Chiyo as valid display of Sasoris strenght, but you must be able to read context in manga.

First of all, you do remember what Rasa was able to do with Golden Dust, right? That guy was able to stall a Bijuu and stop it from destroying the village. Yet, 3rd Kazekage was said to be considerably stronger than that. And guess what? Sasori can use all this strenght. I dont even give a crap how Sasori managed to kill him, but fact is that he has it.

Secondly, Sasori wanted to kill Orochimaru. He knew a lot about him, after all he said that him and Orochimaru accomplished a lot together, so he knew how strong he is. And yet, he still wanted to fight him. Moreover, it was clearly suggested that they fought once. Sasori mentioned that only once he had to use his human puppet body, when some quarrel in Akatsuki happened. Considering that they were paired for a long time, and Sasori hold a grudge against Orochimaru its not that hard to tell that it was fight within the team. We dont know how it went, all we know that both of them survived it so it must have been pretty close. Moreover, Kabuto was very happy to hear that Sasori is dead.

So no, Im not disrespecting Kisame at all, but I just laugh when people name Sasori as one of the weakest Akatsuki members, along with Hidan.

I agree with Deidara, as he's just a bad match up, but the other ones straight get raped by Kisame. And stopping a bijuu happened before time skip, before bijuus were tough shit. And Rasa being the perfect counter to Shukaku. The fight with Sakura and Chiyo is the best thing we got from Sasori. It's pointless. From what he has shown he gets raped by kisame. Considering wanting to fight Orochimaru is hardly a point. Naruto wanted to fight third hokage back when Naruto was a genin. And he knew of the power of the hokage. Does that prove he can beat him?
Sasori isn't the weakest Akaktsuki. That goes to Hidan and Zetsu. He's probably stronger than Konan. But to me he's far from the other ones.

 

[Vanto]

wut

Gai with the 8th or 7th ? Yes but let's not overreact, Gai could take on an Akatsuki Member and win but against a large number of them, he stands no chance.

 

[PT1990]

And stopping a bijuu happened before time skip, before bijuus were tough shit

Bijuus were always a though shit.

And Rasa being the perfect counter to Shukaku.

You must remember that aside from ability to manipulate sand, Shukaku can also use TBB. Hes Bijuu like the others.

It's pointless. From what he has shown he gets raped by kisame.

Considering that Sasori could use way bigger quantities of IS than he has diplayed I wouldnt say its a rape. Not to mention that if Kisame use Water Dome it could mean his own death sentence. Sasoris poison would just mix with the water and you have to remember that it only takes a very little of Sasoris poison to affect the enemy.

Considering wanting to fight Orochimaru is hardly a point. Naruto wanted to fight third hokage back when Naruto was a genin.

Like I said, they already fought once and both survived that fight. Not to mention that at that time Naruto was just a stupid kid, while Sasori was highly intelligent and analitycal Kage-level shinobi.

He's probably stronger than Konan. But to me he's far from the other ones.

Like Deidara? Like I said, you must be able to see context in the manga. Deidara may have better feats, becuase he actually had a fight where he wanted to live and defeat his enemy. Yet, he himself stated that Sasori was stronger that him. Do you think that man of his character would aknowledge superiority of another shinobi and a fellow artist if it wasnt true? You must remember that he wanted to kill Itachi simply becuase he was defeated by him. Thats how proud he was.

 

[Apêx1]

You're saying this as if it's a manga fact when it's not. No reason to give him all this intel? You seriously think that not a single word was said in regards to any of Konohas fights with Sasori, Deidara, or Kakuzu? They fought and then that was it, absolutely nothing. Nothing was ever uttered or mentioned in regards to any of them? Yeah, that's definitely reasonable. Kisame knew of Kakashi as the copy cat ninja. Kakashi knew Kisame was a part of 7 hidden mist swordsmen. And that is without ever encountering each other. At the Kage Summit, Onoki stated that they were all aware of Kisame's Tailess Tailed Beast hype and that he shouldn't be underestimated. Intel and hype is is tossed around everywhere. But you're over here suggesting to me... nevermind, not even worth the arguement. They're all known as dangerous S-class criminal ninja. Unless you're suggesting to me Gai has absolutely zero idea what he's up against, there is zero reason for him to hold back against 6 of them at once without any assistance. That's the bottom line.

It's not a manga fact, but there's absolutely no reason to assume they have intel on IS. There's nothing indicating that they do, and thus there's no reason to assume people in Konoha know about IS, let alone Gai knowing about it. Kisame knew of Kakashi but he CLEARLY said Kakashi was extremely well known [

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]. It must be real hard to notice the difference between normal swords and Kisame's Samehada.. @bold I'd like the scan for this. And regardless, Kisame was part of the 7 Swordsman of the mist and Itachi is a famous Uchiha. They already had intel on them from the very beginning, and the encounter with Kakashi would ensure that. Sasori on the other hand, is extremely low profile. Even Kankuro, a puppet master who uses SASORI'S Puppets had no intel on his abilities or how he fights. Saying Gai has intel on Sasori after Sakura fought him is extremely far-fetched as nothing is proving she informed everyone of his abilities. So that's 1 guy, Hidan is another guy, Konan is a definite other one, Black Zetsu is a definite other one, so we're left with Deidara and Kakuzu who he probably has intel on. Yea, not saying this merritting an instant Hirudora, AND EVEN if it did, it doesn't change anything as I have already told you why it'd be a stomp regardless of them dying.

Konan turning into paper, which is naturally fragile, should be absolutely obliterated by Hirudora. No other reason to believe otherwise. I agree with the Kakuzu bit. So they start as a 6 man team... All but 2 get absolutely obliterated from existence without too much effort from Gai, but because two of them are able to hide the entire fight and do nothing; that somehow equates as a triumphat stomp when they lost more then half their team. Lmao that logic. A stomp to me would be if all 6 members of that squad comes out of that battle unscathed, after defeating their opponent with minimal effort - which is far from the case. It's not a 2 man team.

I'd assume the paper would just be blown away, if she can reform it (don't know much about her abilities) then she should be fine. Otherwise I agree with you on that. For one, I don't remotely believe Gai could stomp them had they been on the ground from the get-go. There's absolutely no way he could storm into half an Akatsuki base and stomp everyone. They were the Akatsuki. They'd easily overpower him as a 6 man team. He was shown to be slightly superior to Kisame (needed 6th Gate to beat Kisame at 30%), he was continuously matched-up with him as a rival. On the other hand Kakashi got merked by Kakuzu and Kakashi is supposed to rival Gai. Yet Gai stomps 6 Akatsuki members when Kakashi loses to 1. And then you ramble on about "feats don't matter, we can IMPLY he has intel without being shown it." Well here I am to tell you Gai would get his ass stomped in a real match vs HALF the Akatsuki, one of them beating the strongest Kazekage, one of them beating the Two Tails, one of them surviving vs Hashirama and smashing Kakashi, one of them smashing Gaara and Sanbi, and Black Zetsu fighting decently vs Mizukage and KCM Naruto. You can't argue Gai has intel implicatively but then wins because of feats, one it is clearly implicative that Gai would get his ass stomped in a manga version of this fight (unless he uses 8th Gate).

Yeah, and? The person you're ambushing is what you call an opponent, and can still be very easily difficult to defeat. Let me know where it was directly stated that Sasori defeated him on equal and mutual fighting terms. It was said that the Sandaime suddenly dissappeared from the village. This suggests that he never even left the village, otherwise people would obviously had to of known of this. You really think a hard fought battle between these two would of went completely unnoticed by an entire village? Especially considering the fact that a Kage always has body guards with him? Unless you want to tell me that the Sandaime purposely snuck out of the village for some sketchy secret agenda, which would also imply something sketchy had to of occurred to him. I would love for you to explain to me how the strongest Kazekage by far and the strongest of his time, getting defeated in a mutually fair fight against Sasori even begins to make sense. Explain to me how Sasori (without his strongest puppet) in a fair fight defeats someone who is supposedly >>>Jiraiya, Minato, Orochimaru, Onoki, Ay, etc., but with his strongest puppet loses to Sakura and Chiyo. Explain to me why this doesn't sound completely retarded. Place Gaara (who is supposedly far weaker then the Sandaime) against Sasori without the Kazekage puppet, and it's a stomp match. Like, I really hope you're joking.

What? How can it be difficult to ambush someone with poison? If he won like that then it would not have been difficult at all. If he ddin't then the Kazekage reacted and made this a long drawn-out fight. And Orochimaru killed the Yondaime on his way to the Leaf through SASORI'S intel. Obviously means he has a lot of intel on people. He could've fought the Sandaime somewhere without anyone knowing by anticipating his route. Again, absolutely no reason to assume a Kazekage will always be in the village. Nothing whatsoever insinuates this to be an ambush. A difficult fight. Period. Body guards? What good are body guards vs Kage level shinobi? There's a clear difference in power between Onoki and his 'bodyguards' lmao. @bold Why would I need to explain that? Feats we were shown aren't necessarily what he is capable of, they are limited by plot. Fact is, without plot Sasori defeated Kazekage in a difficult fight as his 'opponent' and whether you choose to accept that or not is completely irrelevant to whether he overpowered him. His strongest puppet is Kazekage, yes. No reason to believe his second strongest is Hiruko, it's merely his second favourite. He has another 296 puppets to choose from which could've overpowered the Kazekage, especially if a 100 of them were used at once. And once again, you fail to understand how this works. Orochimaru in part 1 was completely making Kakashi shit his pants and saying they weren't even comparable. Orochimaru doesn't have the feats to live up to his hype, but he most certainly has the manga statements to suggest he is massively op. Hebi Sasuke implied he'd get shat on vs healthy Oro. Same Sasuke that smashed Deidara. Oro has massive hype but little feats to reinforce his hype. But only because his feats don't give him a win vs Hebi Sasuke doesn't mean his hype doesn't. Same with Sasori, his feats may not prove his hype, but his feats are completely irrelevant in the face of what the manga states as a fact ie Sasori would shit on Gaara since he shat one someone with a similar fighting style (yet far superior).

 

[Lord Tywin]

Bijuus were always a though shit.

Not when Bunta was holding one back

You must remember that aside from ability to manipulate sand, Shukaku can also use TBB. Hes Bijuu like the others.

That was before Bijuus used anything of such.

Considering that Sasori could use way bigger quantities of IS than he has diplayed I wouldnt say its a rape. Not to mention that if Kisame use Water Dome it could mean his own death sentence. Sasoris poison would just mix with the water and you have to remember that it only takes a very little of Sasoris poison to affect the enemy.

Waterdome isn't the only thing in Kisame's arsenal. He has many ways to avoid poison.

Like I said, they already fought once and both survived that fight. Not to mention that at that time Naruto was just a stupid kid, while Sasori was highly intelligent and analitycal Kage-level shinobi.

There are many instances when one shinobi thought he could fight another one. Like Kakashi when he though he could challenge Oro in part 1. Like Sasuke when he though he could beat Itachi in part 1.

Like Deidara? Like I said, you must be able to see context in the manga. Deidara may have better feats, becuase he actually had a fight where he wanted to live and defeat his enemy. Yet, he himself stated that Sasori was stronger that him. Do you think that man of his character would aknowledge superiority of another shinobi and a fellow artist if it wasnt true? You must remember that he wanted to kill Itachi simply becuase he was defeated by him. Thats how proud he was.

So did Sasori, until he changed his mind in the last minuted. So no, what he showed against Sakura was his best showing. Nothing to suggest he could have done better.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Damn you're serious are you? You really think they are better then him huh?... Let me just let you believe that rubbish and move on.

Lol, are you asking if I think I'm better than a fictional character? I suppose I do.

Regarding Sasoris speed... Hidan himself said that his attacks are slowest in Akatsuki, yet that guy was not slow at all. Considering that, I would say that Sasori was pretty fast. Moreover, he had the strenght of strongest Kazekage (well, maybe exluding Gaara) in history to his disposal. He could sink Sakura and Chiyo in Iron Sand if he wanted to. To be honest, I dont think we even seen 50% of Sasoris full strenght in manga.

Except he has zero speed fears to speak of.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

You're saying this as if it's a manga fact when it's not. No reason to give him all this intel? You seriously think that not a single word was said in regards to any of Konohas fights with Sasori, Deidara, or Kakuzu? They fought and then that was it, absolutely nothing. Nothing was ever uttered or mentioned in regards to any of them? Yeah, that's definitely reasonable. Kisame knew of Kakashi as the copy cat ninja. Kakashi knew Kisame was a part of 7 hidden mist swordsmen. And that is without ever encountering each other. At the Kage Summit, Onoki stated that they were all aware of Kisame's Tailess Tailed Beast hype and that he shouldn't be underestimated. Intel and hype is is tossed around everywhere. But you're over here suggesting to me... nevermind, not even worth the arguement. They're all known as dangerous S-class criminal ninja. Unless you're suggesting to me Gai has absolutely zero idea what he's up against, there is zero reason for him to hold back against 6 of them at once without any assistance. That's the bottom line.

Konan turning into paper, which is naturally fragile, should be absolutely obliterated by Hirudora. No other reason to believe otherwise. I agree with the Kakuzu bit. So they start as a 6 man team... All but 2 get absolutely obliterated from existence without too much effort from Gai, but because two of them are able to hide the entire fight and do nothing; that somehow equates as a triumphat stomp when they lost more then half their team. Lmao that logic. A stomp to me would be if all 6 members of that squad comes out of that battle unscathed, after defeating their opponent with minimal effort - which is far from the case. It's not a 2 man team.

Yeah, and? The person you're ambushing is what you call an opponent, and can still be very easily difficult to defeat. Let me know where it was directly stated that Sasori defeated him on equal and mutual fighting terms. It was said that the Sandaime suddenly dissappeared from the village. This suggests that he never even left the village, otherwise people would obviously had to of known of this. You really think a hard fought battle between these two would of went completely unnoticed by an entire village? Especially considering the fact that a Kage always has body guards with him? Unless you want to tell me that the Sandaime purposely snuck out of the village for some sketchy secret agenda, which would also imply something sketchy had to of occurred to him. I would love for you to explain to me how the strongest Kazekage by far and the strongest of his time, getting defeated in a mutually fair fight against Sasori even begins to make sense. Explain to me how Sasori (without his strongest puppet) in a fair fight defeats someone who is supposedly >>>Jiraiya, Minato, Orochimaru, Onoki, Ay, etc., but with his strongest puppet loses to Sakura and Chiyo. Explain to me why this doesn't sound completely retarded. Place Gaara (who is supposedly far weaker then the Sandaime) against Sasori without the Kazekage puppet, and it's a stomp match. Like, I really hope you're joking.




You gone off the molly again bruh? Sasori's hype ain't shit, and neither are his cannon feats. Let me know when Sasori is renown around the shinobi world as the Tailess Tailed Beast. That title alone shits on Sasori of the Red Sand. Let me know when Sasori is effectively a Bijuu without a tail with parallel hype to Perfect Susano'o. Let me know where it was stated that Sasori has zero weaknesses. Let me know where it was stated that Sasori can never tire or be defeated. Let me know when Sasori is the best in the entire Akatsuki at capturing his opponents alive. Let me know when Sasori's chakra reserves are massive amongst the entire Akatsuki. Let me know when it was stated that Sasori has super-human strength at 30% of his capacity. Let me know when Sasori can successfully infiltrate an entire Hidden Village without anyone knowing for an extensive amount of time and figure out all of their battle tactics for the war. Let me know when Sasori can successfully get that intel out while having to get through Killer Bee, Gai, Naruto, and Yamato. Let me know when Sasori can take a shit all over V2 Killer Bee. I'll wait. Inb4 Sasori solo'd a non-notable nation that wasn't even worth naming, and somehow killed the strongest shinobi of his time without any proof of it being a fair fight. Yeah, his hype definitely shits on Kisame's. His entire résumé is absolute trash, and not even comparable to Kisame's.

The mere fact that he lost his very first cannon fight to Sakura and Chiyo say's it all. Inb4 it was a horrible match-up; so was Kisame's fight against Gai, and Gai is a million times stronger then Chiyo and Sakura. Then he get's Edo'd to only get trashed again, and even get surpassed by Kankuro in pure puppet mastery. Kisame is by far the longest lasting and living Akatsuki member (with the best cannon résumé), which speaks volumes of his overall strength considering all of crazy missions they have to go on; and the fact that they're all S-class world criminals. I'm not even going to address the laughable notion of Sasori ever defeating Kisame.

Top numbered lists are trash and outdated. So if you actually want to go by fans opinions, take a look at peoples tier lists. You'll see that the majority place Kisame above Kakuzu, Deidara, and Sasori by at least a whole tier! As usual, when it comes to anything regarding Kisame, your opinion stands alone by itself or with a very few amount of people that don't ever know what they're talking about when it comes to him.

Jesus H Christ

And straight up, Kisame keeping it together after taking a direct Hirodra and not getting blown to smithereens literally makes him > legged Susanoo in durability.

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Ignore kisame being cut by pencils, it's a downright outlier (and unquantifiable) in the face of him taking on Hirodora; Sasori has nothing that can put a dent in Kisame. To say that he can is to say Sasori can put down Madara - it isn't happening.

 

[PT1990]

Not when Bunta was holding one back

Bunta was only able to hold off a Bijuu only for limited amout of time.

That was before Bijuus used anything of such.

Actually, Rasa vs. Shukaku fight was displayed looooong after TBB was presented. Besides, we have already seen that Shukaku can use TBB.

Waterdome isn't the only thing in Kisame's arsenal. He has many ways to avoid poison.

I never said that Sasori beats Kisame. Only that it wouldnt be a rape.

Like Kakashi when he though he could challenge Oro in part 1. Like Sasuke when he though he could beat Itachi in part 1.

Kakashi had no other choise than to challange Orochimaru. Itachis arrival surprised Sasuke and he went mad. Sasori was actually planning to kill Orochimaru.

Nothing to suggest he could have done better.

Just the sipmple fact that that Deidara aknowledged Sasori as the superior one, and that Sasori had whole power of strongest Kazekage in history suggest in heavily. But like I said, you have to be able to see a context in manga. You seem just unable to do that so I rest my case.

 

[PT1990]

Except he has zero speed fears to speak of.

Not really. I think that even Sasoris poisoned senbu needles where faster than Hidan slashes, not to mention Iron Sand.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Not really. I think that even Sasoris poisoned senbu needles where faster than Hidan slashes, not to mention Iron Sand.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Hidan kept solid pace with Kakashi during their fight. And when I say Sasori has zero speed feats to speak of, he literally has zero speed feats to speak about.

 

[PT1990]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Hidan kept solid pace with Kakashi during their fight. And when I say Sasori has zero speed feats to speak of, he literally has zero speed feats to speak about.

Hidan himself said that his attacks are slowest in the Akatsuki, he said that even after Sasori vs. Chiyo and Sakura fight. Its not like Sasoris attacks were slow, Chiyo was just able to see through them, as she was the one who passed on Kugutsu techniques to Sasori (its like having Sharingan without a Sharingan). I mean, Hidan himself said that, and even Databook prooves that Sasori was faster than him.

 

[Worm]

Then there is also Manga fact Sasori>Diedara.

Not really a manga fact. It's more so because Deidara is a sociopathic ass who has a tendency to manipulate people in order to get what he wants. Probably told Kakashi that just so he would go back into the cave and fight Sasori instead since Kakashi was a nuisance for him. Not that Deidara really admits inferiority to anything unless he specifically says his art is weaker and it's kind of made a point that Deidara is a sociopath with no sense of self and his whole identity is ruled by his art as well as the fact that he thinks of it as ''perfect''.

However, I do agree that Sasori would probably pull off the victory against Deidara and is underrated as all hell.

 

[Xlad]

One shots them all at once? What?

Weaken it with Kakuzu's fuuton (as I was just recently told it too is just air pressure) and IS can withstand it, Domu can withstand it, Deidara can just flat out avoid it and the rest aren't really needed. Hell Hidan can probably tank that shit.


Gai gets stomped.

Honestly thinking Kakuzu might be able to solo him now.

Deidara always could.

As usual, you make another dislikable post.

 

[Worm]

Zex doesn't make dislikable posts. He just has the courage to say and act upon any thought that comes into his mind, regardless of how immoral or retarded it is. He is a self-proclaimed sociopath/psychopath (still trying to decide which one he wants to be).

I'd like to see you all having the courage to marry a whole cannibal tribe in a Minecraft mod and then get eaten by them all while screaming Gilgamesh would rape their faves like whores and that he's gonna swoop down, slaughter them all and pick you up in his beautiful, manly gold covered arms and fly off with you into the sunset.

 

[Xlad]

Sounds like something he would do.

 

[Touken]

Oh boy don't even know where I'd begin with all this manga fabrication being thrown around smh

Let it be known that this was the moment before FT went 100% ham.