Gai and Kakashi vs Gaara and Itachi

[LuckyMan]

Usain bolt does it in 9 and a half seconds. Hes not a ninja. He doesn't know how to use chakra. He doesn't have gates.

guy already shown opening gates mid stride, instantly. its very reasonable for him to cross a measly football field b4 garra can react. And sand is irrelevant since it cant keep up with the likes of guy.

lets be real.

You have scans of naruto clearing distances like this:

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Well over 100 m

But guy in the upper gates cant do the same? pfft yeah ok.

You can say it's over 100M I can say it's 30M. See that? When you prove Naruto was a football fields length away from Tsunade then it becomes a discussion so don't bother eyeing panels and guessing that the distance was something that conviently supports your point.

If Gai starts opening the 7th Gate, Garra responds with whatever it is he does. If Gai starts running towards them and begin opening the gates, Gaara responds with whatever it is he does. You'll need to prove that in the time it takes Gai to get in gate stance and actually open the gate, that Gaara can't do much as lift a hand in response from 100M away, or in the time it takes BASE Gai to sprint and cover some distance while opening gates, Gaara can't lift his hands to bring some sand out because that's all it takes, a simple gesture with his hands.

So yeah let's be real. Cut the shit.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

-Still, do you think speed is the only think that matters when the attack is the size of Gaara's sand tsunami?

I don't remember. But gaara can use his sand to attack from different locations at the same time without onoki's help, and Gaara's speed itself wasn't on my main argument

Yes since guy will be on garra b4 it gets anywhere near 'tsunami' size. Not to mention said sand is inferior in speed to gourd sand (which is still slower than guy) so sheer volume is not a factor to stop guy.

@luckyman cUT the crap. There is no stance for gates. We saw him activate it while running along side kakashi.
We saw him activate it while wrapped in gyuuki tentacle.

He blitzed jj madara from roughly tsb distance (75m), and you wanna tell me to cut the crap?

He gets blitz casual.

 

[Unorthodox]

garra isn't escaping shit. 6 gate guy is faster than tsb, something garra cant react to.

If a tsb is 100m away Gaara blocks it easy same goes for gai the blitz argument is ridiculous when the distance is 100m away.

Gaara sand is pretty fast he managed to get his sand near gai and Madara pretty fast and pretty close when he helped Kakashi warp the hole in the gudo dama.

 

[Unorthodox]

@luckyman cUT the crap. There is no stance for gates. We saw him activate it while running along side kakashi.
We saw him activate it while wrapped in gyuuki tentacle.

That was 6 gates when he was near Kakashi nor was he running stop with the nonsense.

We never saw him activate his gates on gyuki we just seen hirudora. Gai had to stop and activate 7th gates he never used it while in full movement so please and even if he did while's he's running up in base Gaara is already in the sky.

He blitzed jj madara from roughly tsb distance (75m), and you wanna tell me to cut the crap?
He gets blitz casual.

The bold has to be a joke 75m?

More like 7.5m max

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How did he blitz Madara when he blocked every single attack gai threw? Gai is not blitzing Gaara from 100m look how close Kakashi was to Madara on a sand cloud compare to 8th gate gai

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[BenjerminGaye]

If a tsb is 100m away Gaara blocks it easy same goes for gai the blitz argument is ridiculous when the distance is 100m away.

Gaara sand is pretty fast he managed to get his sand near gai and Madara pretty fast and pretty close when he helped Kakashi warp the hole in the gudo dama.

tsb cant travel 100 m and if they could they would run through garra.

An no its not "pretty fast" If it cant even stop jokey boy

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That was 6 gates when he was near Kakashi nor was he running stop with the nonsense.

cut the crap:

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middle panel. thats mid stride.

We never saw him activate his gates on gyuki we just seen hirudora. Gai had to stop and activate 7th gates he never used it while in full movement so please and even if he did while's he's running up in base Gaara is already in the sky.

Unless youre saying he can use hirudora from base bold is pointless. While wrapped in tentacle he cant enter the stance. Period.

The bold has to be a joke 75m?

More like 7.5m max

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How did he blitz Madara when he blocked every single attack gai threw? Gai is not blitzing Gaara from 100m look how close Kakashi was to Madara on a sand cloud compare to 8th gate gai

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reread the fight. minato and co never change location.

Gay steps forward opens 7th and blitzes madara.

madara sends him packing and sends a tsb to kill him but the tsb doesn't reach minato's location meaning the distance between madara and minato is over 75 m, and the step froward that guy takes makes it close to 75 m.

 

[Varrah]

The Gates and their abilities can still be copied because they release the chakra contained within the tenketsu that is then transmission by the Keirakukei or the Inner Coils: a system of passages intimately interacting with every cell and organ in the body which allows chakra to travel throughout the body, be knitted, and manipulated into many forms. It is why Sasuke was able to

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the Kage Buyou, part of the Omote Renge, when he first met Lee and reproduced the Kage Buyou perfectly despite the fact that the Kage Buyou is a type of Taijutsu that

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difficult training to perform. Therefore, Itachi and Kakashi could copy Guy's abilities: the power of the Gates would have varying degrees of success that are predicated upon Itachi's and Kakashi's own physical prowess or capabilities.​

 

[super yang]

The Gates and their abilities can still be copied because they release the chakra contained within the tenketsu that is then transmission by the Keirakukei or the Inner Coils: a system of passages intimately interacting with every cell and organ in the body which allows chakra to travel throughout the body, be knitted, and manipulated into many forms. ​

no, you have to learn how to open a gate, hence the ''unlocking''
can't be ''copied''
theres no ''knitting''
theres no ''manipulation''

the gates stress muscles & pathways, in order to burn raw chakra into stamina & feed for the lambasting muscular system that is being visciously abused by the forbidden act.
it must be trained for rigorously

It is why Sasuke was able to

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the Kage Buyou, part of the Omote Renge, when he first met Lee and reproduced the Kage Buyou perfectly despite the fact that the Kage Buyou is a type of Taijutsu that

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difficult training to perform. Therefore, Itachi and Kakashi could copy Guy's abilities: the power of the Gates would have varying degrees of success that are predicated upon Itachi's and Kakashi's own physical prowess or capabilities.

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no, sasuke copied kage buyou because it is a grass roots ninja skill; calling it ''taijutsu'' is a gross overstatement

they can't copy jack

btw, your last scan was about the ''lotus'' & it ruins your entire argument(i just wasted my time didnt I?..? >_<)

 

[Haizaki]

The Gates and their abilities can still be copied because they release the chakra contained within the tenketsu that is then transmission by the Keirakukei or the Inner Coils: a system of passages intimately interacting with every cell and organ in the body which allows chakra to travel throughout the body, be knitted, and manipulated into many forms. It is why Sasuke was able to

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the Kage Buyou, part of the Omote Renge, when he first met Lee and reproduced the Kage Buyou perfectly despite the fact that the Kage Buyou is a type of Taijutsu that

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difficult training to perform. Therefore, Itachi and Kakashi could copy Guy's abilities: the power of the Gates would have varying degrees of success that are predicated upon Itachi's and Kakashi's own physical prowess or capabilities.​

You can't copy the Gates because it's not even Taijutsu..It's something everyone has.

Shadow of the dancing leaf is a different technique to front lotus...Hence Sasuke copying a C Rank Taijutsu doesn't equate to being able to copying the Gates. Front lotus is a B rank technique and only involves the spinning part...Not to mention Rock Lee didn't have to use Shadow of the dancing leaf when using Omote Renge

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All he did was kick Gaara repeatedly to mid air.

The bold is false, It's not a part of Omote Renge in the sense you're putting it when you need the first gate:

NINJUTSU; Kage Buyou (Shadow Dancing Leaf)
User: Rock Lee, Uchiha Sasuke
Supplementary; Close range; Rank: C

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A jutsu where one follows the opponent, closely matching their body's movement, just like a leaf that dances in the air is followed by its shadow. This move by itself is harmless, but it is usable as a stepping stone for a great many powerful jutsu like Omote Renge (Front Lotus) and so forth. That said, it also has a rather high degree of difficulty, and by the looks of things, those among the Genin class who can manage a flawless use of this high-grade taijutsu would be the likes of Lee, Sasuke, or Neji.

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-The perfect dance of pursuit no one escapes from!!

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-At that point, Lee physically restrains the opponent by binding them and switch to Omote Renge!

When they say part, they refer to what could be used to initiate it...You need to be in the first gate to use Initial lotus like Gai stated.You need to be in the gate to use a move supplied by the gates. You can't copy the Gates especially when you have it hence you can't copy a Gate move unless you can open that Gate.

 

[Unorthodox]

tsb cant travel 100 m and if they could they would run through garra.

An no its not "pretty fast" If it cant even stop jokey boy

Not even close Joki boy dodged Gaara smaller sand attacks nothing on a large scale furthermore that's his attacks which are not as fast as his defense especially when he can put a sand wall at the same speed as a Kamui warp from like 5m away. A proper scenario would have been joke striking Gaara before his defense could be put up or before he could react shitty example is shitty.

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middle panel. thats mid stride.

Mid stride? Gai leg is not moving and even before that we can see gai taking a stance also that's 6 gates not 7th your blitzing argument is looking more like shit every time you post.

Unless youre saying he can use hirudora from base bold is pointless. While wrapped in tentacle he cant enter the stance. Period.

We never saw him enter it so your point becomes moot because its off screen he could have been doing a split on the **** while going to 7th gate but its off screen thus irrelevant to this argument clown.

reread the fight. minato and co never change location.
Gay steps forward opens 7th and blitzes madara.
madara sends him packing and sends a tsb to kill him but the tsb doesn't reach minato's location meaning the distance between madara and minato is over 75 m, and the step froward that guy takes makes it close to 75 m.

Making no sense gai took a big leap even before using 7th gate

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To also add Gai NEVER BLITZ MADARA so stop saying that nonsense.

We've never even saw how far the tsb went to calculate the distance that Minato was talking about because from the distance gai was the tsb still had full speed flying right under rocklee meaning gai was much closer than 70m. In the next page the tsb still was moving until it stopped meaning it traveled much further then your gai's starting distance when he used his shunshin to attack Madara because rock lee used his owned to get him out of there.

I see your purposely did not try to counter how Gaara's sand cloud got Kakashi to gai so fast while he was striking hell even in front of him roughly near him while he's in 8th gate mode but its okei you know how shitty your blitz argument is funny thing is you've argued for Minato not being blitz from less than half of this distance bias ass phuck.