Gai and Kakashi vs Gaara and Itachi

[Lord Tywin]

Damn, kakashi can wrap Yata and Totsuka for defensive purposes.
Layer of sand won't protect Susanoo from Kamui though

 

[BenjerminGaye]

This is 100m Gai is not blitzing him from that far Gaara easily takes flight with that distance add the time its take to turn on gates and Itachi would get in the way with v4 susanoo.

100 m is a small distance. Regular humans clear that in seconds. Ninja let alone a ninja like guy can easily blitz from that distance.

 

[Apêx1]

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OT: Team 2 win because of Gaara. Once Sand Tsunami crushes Kakashi Sand Hail would allow him to catch Gai regardless of his speed. Couple this with Itachi's ability to distract Gai with Crows and Amaterasu and Gaara can probably find a way to catch him from beneath (Gai won't be running for several minutes straight).

 

[Beans2]

Layering Itachi's susano'o with sand (similar to how Gaara layered Onoki's golem) while Yata protects the front would prevent this from happening. This, added up with a large scale Suna Arare would also slow them down and potentially prevent them from piggybacking.

If Gaara layers Susanoo with sand, Gai uses Hirudora and the air pressure blows the sand away. Kakashi is then free to warp a hole through Susanoo. Not sure how they counter sand hail though, but Gai can probably dodge it altogether.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

If Gaara layers Susanoo with sand, Gai uses Hirudora and the air pressure blows the sand away. Kakashi is then free to warp a hole through Susanoo. Not sure how they counter sand hail though, but Gai can probably dodge it altogether.

By the time the after effect of Hirudora dissipates, what is stopping Gaara from reapplying a sand armor? Or applying an inner coat of sand within susano'o to immediately plug any holes by forcefully shooting sand out of it, stopping any efforts of entering so that Itachi can reseal it or cover with Yata Mirror? I doubt that Gai can essentially dodge rain, but if he could, it would be thru extremely fast and random movements, that should disable Kakashi from accurately aiming Kamui - if they're still piggybacking.

 

[Unorthodox]

100 m is a small distance. Regular humans clear that in seconds. Ninja let alone a ninja like guy can easily blitz from that distance.

My point exactly Ninja can cover that distance fast Gaara can still escape it with no problem. Gai is not capable of Blitzing Gaara from 100m especially when he can go air born and Itachi is here as well drop the blitzing argument.

At every time the distance is not blitzing range narutobasers always try to use a human can throw or get that distance fast

 

[Apêx1]

By the time the after effect of Hirudora dissipates, what is stopping Gaara from reapplying a sand armor? Or applying an inner coat of sand within susano'o to immediately plug any holes by forcefully shooting sand out of it, stopping any efforts of entering so that Itachi can reseal it or cover with Yata Mirror? I doubt that Gai can essentially dodge rain, but if he could, it would be thru extremely fast and random movements, that should disable Kakashi from accurately aiming Kamui - if they're still piggybacking.

Wouldn't the Yata be on the outside of the Sand covering the Susano anyways, since it can enter from within/beneath the Susano and to the outside? That would be a pretty overpowered defence considering Yata isn't prone to Kamui warping.

 

[Beans2]

By the time the after effect of Hirudora dissipates, what is stopping Gaara from reapplying a sand armor? Or applying an inner coat of sand within susano'o to immediately plug any holes by forcefully shooting sand out of it, stopping any efforts of entering so that Itachi can reseal it or cover with Yata Mirror? I doubt that Gai can essentially dodge rain, but if he could, it would be thru extremely fast and random movements, that should disable Kakashi from accurately aiming Kamui - if they're still piggybacking.

Screw this, Gaara and Itachi win lol. But do you think Gaara can solo Gai

 

[BenjerminGaye]

My point exactly Ninja can cover that distance fast Gaara can still escape it with no problem. Gai is not capable of Blitzing Gaara from 100m especially when he can go air born and Itachi is here as well drop the blitzing argument.

At every time the distance is not blitzing range narutobasers always try to use a human can throw or get that distance fast

garra isn't escaping shit. 6 gate guy is faster than tsb, something garra cant react to.

 

[EZQ]

I was referring to the distance he covered while battling Kisame while in the 6th Gate. That's a nice feat and considering the 7th only boost his physical stats higher, that's a higher distance he'll cover. Plus with intel, I don't see Gaara traveling far enough against that speed.

So you're suggesting Gai speed blitzes before gaara gets high enough is that correct?

We also saw Sasuke evade B's attacks while moving in mid air

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and Rock Lee moving repeatedly with high speed using HL...I just think Gai would be way too fast for Gaara once he comes at him. Pretty sure V1 B himself is faster than Gaara's attacks given the fact that he can match V1 Ay's attacks as seen with how they match each other's speed with their Lariat.

Yes, i think Gai can replicate Sasuke's feat no problem. But, it's different to dodge a human sized projectile while mid-air than dodging a lot larger and direction changing attack.

Sasuke could dodge bee on air because:

-The same as Sasuke, Bee was on air too, so he couldn't change directions. He just jumped on air really fast so Sasuke dodged it since it was a linear projectile, using bee's own body as a foot jump.

-Gaara's sand is not like Bee on air. Maybe it's slower but, it can change directions and it's bigger than bee, so, it's more difficult to dodge, and , it's not linear.

Not to mention Gaara's sand intercepted v2 Ay's speed to save Sasuke. Tho i think that was only the gourd sand, which is not enough to pressure Gai.

Doubt for reason above.



I can agree with Gaara being a factor unless Gai doesn't go at him...However Kakashi is definitely a factor. His using of hiding like a mole is pretty efficient and definitely has the speed to evade other attacks aside Amaterasu which he can easily warp away.

Well yes Kakashi is definitely a high spot on this fight.

Gai goes for Gaara, Kakashi stalls Itachi with his trickery seeing how he fooled him with a clone before. Meanwhile he can also evade his attacks.

I agree that team 1 wins. I disagree on Gai taking on Gaara alone, since i still disagree on Gai being able to dodge Gaara's sand while suspended on air. If he manages to speedblitz before Gaara goes aerial then yes you're right, but with Itachi there, and full knowledge, Itachi would prevent Gai from speedblitzing Gaara with enton magatama IMO, forcing Gai to dodge, and giving Gaara enough time to go airbone.

 

[Haizaki]

So you're suggesting Gai speed blitzes before gaara gets high enough is that correct?


Yes, i think Gai can replicate Sasuke's feat no problem. But, it's different to dodge a human sized projectile while mid-air than dodging a lot larger and direction changing attack.

Sasuke could dodge bee on air because:

-The same as Sasuke, Bee was on air too, so he couldn't change directions. He just jumped on air really fast so Sasuke dodged it since it was a linear projectile, using bee's own body as a foot jump.

-Gaara's sand is not like Bee on air. Maybe it's slower but, it can change directions and it's bigger than bee, so, it's more difficult to dodge, and , it's not linear.

Not to mention Gaara's sand intercepted v2 Ay's speed to save Sasuke. Tho i think that was only the gourd sand, which is not enough to pressure Gai.





Well yes Kakashi is definitely a high spot on this fight.



I agree that team 1 wins. I disagree on Gai taking on Gaara alone, since i still disagree on Gai being able to dodge Gaara's sand while suspended on air. If he manages to speedblitz before Gaara goes aerial then yes you're right, but with Itachi there, and full knowledge, Itachi would prevent Gai from speedblitzing Gaara with enton magatama IMO, forcing Gai to dodge, and giving Gaara enough time to go airbone.

Good points...I'll rethink the matchup.

 

[LuckyMan]

100 m is a small distance. Regular humans clear that in seconds. Ninja let alone a ninja like guy can easily blitz from that distance.

No its not. Thats basically the size of a football field. You're out of your mind if you think Gai will open Gates and blitz before Gaara can use his sand....

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Screw this, Gaara and Itachi win lol. But do you think Gaara can solo Gai

Potentially, under the right scenario. I think Gai is superior, and wins more times then not though.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

No its not. Thats basically the size of a football field. You're out of your mind if you think Gai will open Gates and blitz before Gaara can use his sand....

Usain bolt does it in 9 and a half seconds. Hes not a ninja. He doesn't know how to use chakra. He doesn't have gates.

guy already shown opening gates mid stride, instantly. its very reasonable for him to cross a measly football field b4 garra can react. And sand is irrelevant since it cant keep up with the likes of guy.

lets be real.

You have scans of naruto clearing distances like this:

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Well over 100 m

But guy in the upper gates cant do the same? pfft yeah ok.

 

[EZQ]

Good points...I'll rethink the matchup.

I like debating with you man you are very smart and respectful

 

[EZQ]

Usain bolt does it in 9 and a half seconds. Hes not a ninja. He doesn't know how to use chakra. He doesn't have gates.

guy already shown opening gates mid stride, instantly. its very reasonable for him to cross a measly football field b4 garra can react. And sand is irrelevant since it cant keep up with the likes of guy.

You should scale everyone, not just Gai.

Gai would cover that distance pretty fast, but Gaara would do his stuff fast too, since he's also a ninja (superhuman)

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You should scale everyone, not just Gai.

Gai would cover that distance pretty fast, but Gaara would do his stuff fast too, since he's also a ninja (superhuman)

garra's sand hasnt shown any speed feats that leads me to belive it can keep up with top tier speedsters like gated guy, and since his sand is an extension of him if it can't react then he most definitely can't

 

[EZQ]

garra's sand hasnt shown any speed feats that leads me to belive it can keep up with top tier speedsters like gated guy, and since his sand is an extension of him if it can't react then he most definitely can't

When the size of the attack is so big, the speed doesn't mean too much.

-3rd raikage who is fast, couldn't dodge it
-the ammount of sand helped Gaara to distract Madara and send doton under his feet so fast that it caught him out of guard

Now i know Kakashi and Gai both are really fast. But overwhelming attacks from an aearial position puts Gaara on advatage. And f Gai jumps to reach Gaara, he is left in a vulnerable position. Read my reply to haizaki please.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

When the size of the attack is so big, the speed doesn't mean too much.

-3rd raikage who is fast, couldn't dodge it
-the ammount of sand helped Gaara to distract Madara and send doton under his feet so fast that it caught him out of guard

Now i know Kakashi and Gai both are really fast. But overwhelming attacks from an aearial position puts Gaara on advatage. And f Gai jumps to reach Gaara, he is left in a vulnerable position. Read my reply to haizaki please.

7th gate guy is above the raikages when it comes to speed, heck it even makes minato look slow, so mentioning them when they are of a lower speed tier is moot.
Catching v2 ay is also moot since the attack he used relied on gravity not his actual speed.

And correct me if im wrong but didn't onnoki lighten his sand to make it faster? surely u aren't using those feats to try help your case.

 

[EZQ]

7th gate guy is above the raikages when it comes to speed, heck it even makes minato look slow, so mentioning them when they are of a lower speed tier is moot.
Catching v2 ay is also moot since the attack he used relied on gravity not his actual speed.

-Still, do you think speed is the only think that matters when the attack is the size of Gaara's sand tsunami?

And correct me if im wrong but didn't onnoki lighten his sand to make it faster? surely u aren't using those feats to try help your case.

I don't remember. But gaara can use his sand to attack from different locations at the same time without onoki's help, and Gaara's speed itself wasn't on my main argument