Gaara of the desert vs Hashirama Senju

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Because you're insecure debating and 2 accounts backing you up debating the opponent makes you think it's intimidating and makes you feel better about yourself because you have "backup".

Well even if that's not true(lol) it's still your dupe. Not to mention it was so obvious I had no idea you ever had an intention to even hide it so... you're not helping your defense much there.
I agree Joki the I thought Geni might be Fourth cause they both act similar, they never capitalize there letters, both Gaara fanboys and type walls of texts
 

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Because you're insecure debating and 2 accounts backing you up debating the opponent makes you think it's intimidating and makes you feel better about yourself because you have "backup".

Well even if that's not true(lol) it's still your dupe. Not to mention it was so obvious I had no idea you ever had an intention to even hide it so... you're not helping your defense much there.
me,insecure abt debating?,why would i be insecure?,because of you?,incase you havent noticed,the only ones wh were debating with you were ussj and kazekage,i didnt even bother to post anymore until i decided to counter that guy who said those stuff abt gaara,if you think i am doing what you say,wont i and kazekage be bashing and debating at the same time to 'corner' the opponent,my debating skills are good,even YOU just repped me,i dont need to hide in another account because of a thread or a debater,and i certainly dont need any help on beatng someone in a debate as i have owned my fair share of debaters since i got here,and i have been repped by others as well,so i have no reason to be insecure and absolutely no reason to have any help with my debates. I am not going to say anything else,it's your opinion.

@ champ,since those qualifies me as anther persn,you must think i am ussj as well right?,cuz he supports gaara,he writes walls of texts and dosent capitalize as well. Also how did you come up with the idea that i would be the same as a guy that believes gaara's dad is stronger than him?,and how does me not capitalizing,and writing large posts mean i am another guy?,does everyone in nb capitalize their letters?,and obviulsy anyne who would support gaara in a thread where the hype of his opponent basically means he wins,you have to actually write to convince them otherwise,and it's a debate,you are supposed to debate,not just drop off who wins(unless you are lazyxd)and then leave.

I have no need for another account,nobody does that anyway,what's the point?
 

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me,insecure abt debating?,why would i be insecure?,because of you?,incase you havent noticed,the only ones wh were debating with you were ussj and kazekage,i didnt even bother to post anymore until i decided to counter that guy who said those stuff abt gaara,if you think i am doing what you say,wont i and kazekage be bashing and debating at the same time to 'corner' the opponent,my debating skills are good,even YOU just repped me,i dont need to hide in another account because of a thread or a debater,and i certainly dont need any help on beatng someone in a debate as i have owned my fair share of debaters since i got here,and i have been repped by others as well,so i have no reason to be insecure and absolutely no reason to have any help with my debates. I am not going to say anything else,it's your opinion.

@ champ,since those qualifies me as anther persn,you must think i am ussj as well right?,cuz he supports gaara,he writes walls of texts and dosent capitalize as well. Also how did you come up with the idea that i would be the same as a guy that believes gaara's dad is stronger than him?,and how does me not capitalizing,and writing large posts mean i am another guy?,does everyone in nb capitalize their letters?,and obviulsy anyne who would support gaara in a thread where the hype of his opponent basically means he wins,you have to actually write to convince them otherwise,and it's a debate,you are supposed to debate,not just drop off who wins(unless you are lazyxd)and then leave.

I have no need for another account,nobody does that anyway,what's the point?
Oh yeah I know, I wasn't saying that was the reason but either way, debating's all the same no matter who I reply to. And yeah mods can check IP's and whatnot but no biggie for me, it's not like I care if you have 27 dupes lol.
 

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How is this still going?
Madara beat Garra even though he has the help of 4 other Kage. Madara said that Hashirama is the only person who could stop him. Clearly they are on different levels.
 
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if he thinks i am some guy that made a thread saying 4th kazekage>>gaara,he is an even bigger moron than i thought,why would i need another account?.

Moukton naturally supresses chakra,kyubi is pure chakra just like susanoo,so moukton will naturally be very effective against it,yamato supressed 4tk naruto,blade of kusanagi couldnt pierce iy,does that mean that yamato's wood>oro's blade of kusanagi?. Also i doubt moukton packs more of a punch than 5 complete ems susanoos at once which gaara blocked without looking,adding minerals,chakra or more sand at all. I am evaluating the match on the moukton i have seen in the series,and gaara can fly above the moukton,he can attack from underneath hashi's feet instantly,even if hashi makes a forest,the sand isnt going anywhere,sand burial would negate the auto healing as it turns the body to a pile of blood,or a pyramid to seal hashi. I am evaluating the match with the techs that i have actually seen,people actually use his hype as a way to win debates.
Actually I agree you are a good debater although but Hashirama can grow wood from his body so sand coffin is useless. Sand tsunamis are blocked by Hashirama's huge trees. Hashirama can outlast Gaara in the end IMO. I agree you aren't Fourth Kazekage although both of you have been giving me a similar vibe for some reason. Still I think both of you seem to love the Sand Village isn't that right?
me,insecure abt debating?,why would i be insecure?,because of you?,incase you havent noticed,the only ones wh were debating with you were ussj and kazekage,i didnt even bother to post anymore until i decided to counter that guy who said those stuff abt gaara,if you think i am doing what you say,wont i and kazekage be bashing and debating at the same time to 'corner' the opponent,my debating skills are good,even YOU just repped me,i dont need to hide in another account because of a thread or a debater,and i certainly dont need any help on beatng someone in a debate as i have owned my fair share of debaters since i got here,and i have been repped by others as well,so i have no reason to be insecure and absolutely no reason to have any help with my debates. I am not going to say anything else,it's your opinion.

@ champ,since those qualifies me as anther persn,you must think i am ussj as well right?,cuz he supports gaara,he writes walls of texts and dosent capitalize as well. Also how did you come up with the idea that i would be the same as a guy that believes gaara's dad is stronger than him?,and how does me not capitalizing,and writing large posts mean i am another guy?,does everyone in nb capitalize their letters?,and obviulsy anyne who would support gaara in a thread where the hype of his opponent basically means he wins,you have to actually write to convince them otherwise,and it's a debate,you are supposed to debate,not just drop off who wins(unless you are lazyxd)and then leave.

I have no need for another account,nobody does that anyway,what's the point?
The thing with USSJ is that he seems to go against Gaara unless he is in a desert. Once the location is a desert or a beach, he goes on a frenzy claiming Gaara beats some haxed character by burying them and sealing them in a sand pyramid before they can even move. In other words he is pretty reasonable although for some reason, he thinks Gaara in the desert rivals Edo Madara, BM Naruto, etc. Still he is a cool guy and I actually enjoy reading his posts. Still he seems to create pointless Itachi hate threads and underrates Hashirama for some reason.
 

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Actually I agree you are a good debater although but Hashirama can grow wood from his body so sand coffin is useless. Sand tsunamis are blocked by Hashirama's huge trees. Hashirama can outlast Gaara in the end IMO. I agree you aren't Fourth Kazekage although both of you have been giving me a similar vibe for some reason. Still I think both of you seem to love the Sand Village isn't that right?

The thing with USSJ is that he seems to go against Gaara unless he is in a desert. Once the location is a desert or a beach, he goes on a frenzy claiming Gaara beats some haxed character by burying them and sealing them in a sand pyramid before they can even move. In other words he is pretty reasonable although for some reason, he thinks Gaara in the desert rivals Edo Madara, BM Naruto, etc. Still he is a cool guy and I actually enjoy reading his posts. Still he seems to create pointless Itachi hate threads and underrates Hashirama for some reason.
1)tru,i agree sand coffin is useless,but sand pyramid will work,as it uses multiple layers of sand and then compressed with chakra,hashirama can grow wood out of his body,but the momentum needed to break the sand pyramid wont be met up by the little space between hashi and the walls of the pyramid. Hashirama might block a sand tsunami,but the sand will still be there,and gaara can use it to catch hashi's feet orflow it arpun hashi's trees. Gaara can do all this and avoid direct contact with the trees by flight as we have seen. So i can say this

from hype,hashi wins no contest
from actual seen moukton techs,BOD etc i'd say gaara high diff

2) this fight isnt in a dessert.
 
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Susano'o knocked him and the other 4 kage back down into the flower where Gaara proceeded to go unconscious until Onoki saved him, what prevents Susano'o being replaced with a tree here?
the fact that gaara was carrying the other kags at once ,and th fact that a susanoo fist is stronger in brute strengtht that a tree branch?,or gaara can just fly higher up easily and avoid it,or jusu fly hig and enter his sand sphere while using the sand below hashi to attack him.
 

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the fact that gaara was carrying the other kags at once ,and th fact that a susanoo fist is stronger in brute strengtht that a tree branch?,or gaara can just fly higher up easily and avoid it,or jusu fly hig and enter his sand sphere while using the sand below hashi to attack him.
Why would he do that? He hasn't flown that high vs Madara or any other non aerial opponent either, and he wouldn't be able to see due to bringer of darkness. I find using carrying the other kages as an excuse to be a copout as making of sand would hardly hinder gaara and he was simply (The ! indicates utter surprise).

It also hardly hurt the kages and he simply knocked them down into the flower, he didn't even punch them or anything, Yamato's mokuton held back KN4 and did similar impressive feats so saying Hashirama's mokuton hitting Gaara won't be able to knock him down into the flower like Madara did is silly.
 

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Why would he do that? He hasn't flown that high vs Madara or any other non aerial opponent either, and he wouldn't be able to see due to bringer of darkness. I find using carrying the other kages as an excuse to be a copout as making of sand would hardly hinder gaara and he was simply (The ! indicates utter surprise).

It also hardly hurt the kages and he simply knocked them down into the flower, he didn't even punch them or anything, Yamato's mokuton held back KN4 and did similar impressive feats so saying Hashirama's mokuton hitting Gaara won't be able to knock him down into the flower like Madara did is silly.
gaara would fly to avoid a tree coming from hashi below him wont he?,it's the best way to go,sand sensing renders BOD useless,not to mention gaara can just make a sand eye elsewhere and use it,it wont be affected,BOD is a short-mid range move,and gaara will keep it long range,not to mention he will be in the air.

.Did you see the size of that susanoo?,it towered above both gaara and the forest easily,i doubt he can make a tree that big,madara used his susanoo to attack them from above,hashi can't do that with moukton only,as the wood will have to jot up from the ground to come to gaara.

He used his susanoo arms to smack them down into the flowers from above them,hashi's wood is coming from below,moukton supresses tailed beasts as it's unique ability,not that it was stron enough to push it back,it was naturally able to supress naruto's kyubi form,that is how hashi managed to capture several bijuus. Gaara is able to use sand moves in the air and keep the sand suspended as well,so je could raise his sand ,go into his sand sphere and use it as well as the sand below hashi's feet to attack him.
 

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gaara would fly to avoid a tree coming from hashi below him wont he?,it's the best way to go,sand sensing renders BOD useless,not to mention gaara can just make a sand eye elsewhere and use it,it wont be affected,BOD is a short-mid range move,and gaara will keep it long range,not to mention he will be in the air.

.Did you see the size of that susanoo?,it towered above both gaara and the forest easily,i doubt he can make a tree that big,madara used his susanoo to attack them from above,hashi can't do that with moukton only,as the wood will have to jot up from the ground to come to gaara.

He used his susanoo arms to smack them down into the flowers from above them,hashi's wood is coming from below,moukton supresses tailed beasts as it's unique ability,not that it was stron enough to push it back,it was naturally able to supress naruto's kyubi form,that is how hashi managed to capture several bijuus. Gaara is able to use sand moves in the air and keep the sand suspended as well,so je could raise his sand ,go into his sand sphere and use it as well as the sand below hashi's feet to attack him.
Susano'o came from the same place, it emerged from the forest below them, re-check the page.

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Hashirama can't make trees that big? He, Madara and Yamato have all utilized that much mokuton or more on panel.

Also, not only did Madara emerge from the flower below but he even said a sentence to them, towered over them, and then hit them down into it, Gaara was helpless the whole time. Hashirama's job would be much simpler when all he has to do is hit Gaara and not fap to him wouldn't you think?
 

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Yeah if he had decided to actually try(like you witness, the kages dead) then they would have been dead within seconds
he was trying and they still werent. PS is when hes deadly serious, not when hes merely trying. he tried and failed to kill them repeatedly and now hes STILL failed as tsunade will save them

...he was under Orochimaru's control...
and that is your only answer for his piss poor defeat
Exactly, he did nothing, that was in vain they were all knocked out anyway(including gaara whose ass was saved by Onoki yet again lawl)
exactly he did heaps. if it was in vain and that somehow negates his efforts then ALL of them did nothing and just stood there getting killed. which obviously they ddint. gaara repeatedly used sand walls and sand cushions to protect his comrades. but you ignore this because you dont like gaara

Combo attack, Gaara did shit alone.
THE ENTIRE FIGHT WAS A COMBO ATTACK. for everyone involved, even madara who combined with hashirama.

I know, right! And to think Hashirama fought and beat Madara who used perfect susano'o
no he didnt. not once was this ever shown. for all we know hashirama just gassed him with pollen or had a seal preventing any MS techs. we know next to nothing about that fight and you cant use it as proof of anything. everyone who sees susano is killed by it. what dont you understand about that?

And they were still shat on no diff by Madara when he actually decided "ok, time to get kyuubi, let's make short work of you guys I've had enough playing around"
he never said he was playing around. but its just like you to make shit up and put words in peoples mouths they never said or even implied. he was casual because hes immortal. it was mid-high diff and he even got legitimately killed once or twice. it was a fairly even fight despite kages already being severely weakened from edo kage battle, and raikage having one arm

Just proves how fodder the kages are compared to both of them.
just proves how kages killed madara but madara being an immortal zombie barely beat them high diff after they countered everything he threw at them

Featless? Other than being called formidable compared to the shit kages
who killed madara. and hashirama couldnt. what, you think he would have survived being jinton'd to half his body? madara said they deserved being kages after all. which is admitting he was wrong after all.

Yeah, saying Gaara stands any chance whatsoever is outright retarded
[/QUOTE]yep it is.

YOu know damn well Hashirama destroys Gaara with no difficulty
how will he do that when hes featless garbage who got stomped by an old man? oh right he cant.

To take it to the extent of one of the most powerful Naruto characters who beat the guy who beat Gaara PLUS 4 other kage levels though?
implying madara was at his current level back then. which is directly contradicted by kabuto

Strange, because the manga=Kishi and word of god>>>>your bullshit fanboyism, Kishi severely disagrees with you
interview = kishi and he said Madara > everyone currently. all strong men have weaknesses. he doesnt

kimimaro ( was about to stab him through the head; Gaara would have never won that if not for a disease)
-Sasuke ( Broke his defense with speed and chidori.)
- Rock lee ( Over powered gaara's defense with overwhelming speed and strength, til it wore off.)
- Naruto ( Socked him in the face, even while he was one tails)
- Deidara ( broke through gaara's defense with C3 and killed him)
all in part 1 or early part 2. gaara is much much stronger now

Gaara dies without even putting a scratch on Harashima xD
he would sand crush hashiramas throat

Hashirama can grow wood from his body so sand coffin is useless
pressures too strong. his sand is like steel when hardened

Sand tsunamis are blocked by Hashirama's huge trees
and vice versa

what prevents Susano'o being replaced with a tree here?
obviously because a treee is not as strong as a susano fist to the face
 

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he was trying and they still werent. PS is when hes deadly serious, not when hes merely trying. he tried and failed to kill them repeatedly and now hes STILL failed as tsunade will save them

and that is your only answer for his piss poor defeat
exactly he did heaps. if it was in vain and that somehow negates his efforts then ALL of them did nothing and just stood there getting killed. which obviously they ddint. gaara repeatedly used sand walls and sand cushions to protect his comrades. but you ignore this because you dont like gaara

THE ENTIRE FIGHT WAS A COMBO ATTACK. for everyone involved, even madara who combined with hashirama.

no he didnt. not once was this ever shown. for all we know hashirama just gassed him with pollen or had a seal preventing any MS techs. we know next to nothing about that fight and you cant use it as proof of anything. everyone who sees susano is killed by it. what dont you understand about that?

he never said he was playing around. but its just like you to make shit up and put words in peoples mouths they never said or even implied. he was casual because hes immortal. it was mid-high diff and he even got legitimately killed once or twice. it was a fairly even fight despite kages already being severely weakened from edo kage battle, and raikage having one arm

just proves how kages killed madara but madara being an immortal zombie barely beat them high diff after they countered everything he threw at them

who killed madara. and hashirama couldnt. what, you think he would have survived being jinton'd to half his body? madara said they deserved being kages after all. which is admitting he was wrong after all.
yep it is.

how will he do that when hes featless garbage who got stomped by an old man? oh right he cant.

implying madara was at his current level back then. which is directly contradicted by kabuto

interview = kishi and he said Madara > everyone currently. all strong men have weaknesses. he doesnt

all in part 1 or early part 2. gaara is much much stronger now

he would sand crush hashiramas throat

pressures too strong. his sand is like steel when hardened

and vice versa

obviously because a treee is not as strong as a susano fist to the face[/QUOTE]

Hashirama beat Madara and Kyuubi which is a better feat than Garra.
Hashirama> Garra in feats.
Garra's massive sand attacks are all countered by Nativity world of flowing trees because trees are solid and roots can push and grow through sand no problem.
The sand prison or even pyramid can easily be destroyed by nativity or The flower world. And Garra has no way of countering the flower world pollen other than to fly over it which Hashirama can just grow trees to catch or hit him down.
Hashirama is levels beyond Garra.
 
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