Gaara of the desert vs Hashirama Senju

[Joki]

he was an edo so he had no choice

He had no choice but to not try? Lol, you're proving me right more and more with each reply

he was a good match. Viz makes it clear that because hashi beat him thats why he thinks hed be a good match. but here hes immortal and has unlimited chakra. how can hashi beat him now? he even said kages had impressive offence/defence and deserved their titles. but since susano destroys creation even they couldnt beat him. and feats > hype.

Common sense that anyone who isn't retarded or in denial believes>>>>feats. And word of god>>>>>your opinion.

Being a good match for Madara effing Uchiha who without any effort shit on all 5 fodder kages and left them for dead and beating him isn't a huge difference there's no point adding 1 to infinity.

I like how Gaara was included and he was also crapped on and he's been practically useless yet him standing a chance against Hashirama is actually a possibility in your eyes. Oh what fanboyism does to people.

how do you know? and besides they were already practically dying of exhaustion and could no longer really fight back vs someone who will never get tired

Because Kishi says so and I'm not retarded. That's their fault that they've become exhausted against Madara and they couldn't scratch a serious Madara once and he hasn't been trying throuhgout the whole match, if he put in any effort they would have died within seconds. Being edo's irrelevant.

BEFORE they almost sealed and beat him twice.

See above.

i like how you ignore the entire rest of that fight where they came close several times to taking madara out despite his preta path negating almost all their attempts

You mean the part where Madara was laughing at them and testing their power? The part where he was like "Lol, you guys are shit level in comparison to the beast Hashirama who actually beat me, all your jutsus are useless in front of Hashirama's might". Do you have ANY support for these things you say? Damn man

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

He had no choice but to not try?

i said nothing like that. he had no choice but to try to kill hiruzen. IC hashirmaa would never attakc him let alone try to choke him with branches.

Common sense that anyone who isn't retarded or in denial believes>>>>feats

so common sense demands that we believe word of mouth from people not there (kiri ninjas saying sasuke killed zabuza)?

Being a good match for Madara effing Uchiha who without any effort shit on all 5 fodder kages

actually he almost lost twice, and was constantly pressured, even losing 25 susano and the forests. he could afford to seem like he wasnt in danger because he was immortal and had no weaknesses. but kages very nearly proved this incorrect and forced him to go full power. if he wasnt trying how come he went 100% just to escape their last trap? thats like freeza going 100% final form to block krillins kienzan and taiyoken. it isnt happening.

I like how Gaara was included and he was also crapped on and he's been practically useless.
only an idiot would say this. gaara did the best he could and produced giant pyramids and saved kages asses in an instant from the forest till susano knocked them down. he even saved meis ass, and mixed sand with meis water dragon and a's raiton. without him they couldnt have held out as long as they did. considering who they fought, its a miracle all 5 lasted so long against 25 susanos. they are absolutely incredible.

yet him standing a chance against Hashirama is actually a possibility in your eyes

of course. hashiramas featless and inflexible. all he has is wood which has only been shown doing pollen and branch suffocation. even pollen is attributed only to madara till we see hashiramas version.

Because Kishi says so

no he didnt. not once did kishi ever say "madara did not use PS to defeat kages"

word of god>>>>>your opinion.

the only word of god we've gotten lately strength wise is madara having no weakness

That's their fault that they've become exhausted against Madara

so piccolo becoming tired vs 17 is his fault? how dare they not be invincible immortals with unlimited chakra? the nerve...
and its not like their techs are exhausting. A had bijuu level chakra, so did gaara. yet both were beat within an inch of their life after HOURS of fighting. it was dark when the fight ended. but the sun was up when it started. that means they had been fighting for literally hours which madara can afford to do BECAUSE he is already goddamn dead.

they couldn't scratch a serious Madara once

madara was serious the entire time or he wouldnt have used fukin susano. he jsut didnt think kages were powerful enough to beat him until onoki jinton'd off his arm and gaara mixed sand into the water dragon. thats when he admitted they were powerful and worthy of being shown his last card which no one has ever survived against.

if he put in any effort they would have died within seconds.

so meteors, massive forests, 25 susano clones, rinnegan, giant katons, legged susano is not showing effort? when its practically his whole arsenal? madara was deadly serious and trying to kill them but they kept being too storng for his attempts to succeed and forced him to go all out. he even said hed kill tsunade and tried to only to fail repeatedly. even now hes failed to kil her as she can put herself back together. despite desperately wanting to kill hashis descendant. he was absolutely serious and going at them with force. how is he not putting any effort in? not putting any effort in would be using just his 3 tomoe and still raping them. but no he used the two most powerful doujutsus in history just to keep on going. if he was so confident and toying why absorb the jinton like a coward? take that shit like a man.

Being edo's irrelevant.

you couldnt be more laughable if you tried. so the fact he cant ever tire, has no weaknesses and is completely unable to die or be hurt is irrelevant? if kages were also edos who do you think wins in the long run? oh yeah the guys with sealing jutsu

You mean the part where Madara was laughing at them and testing their power

i dont recall a single time they were laughed at. if anything he was deadly serious and pisseed off at tsunade. he hated them for being weaker than him, and wanted to get rid of them. he failed.

"Lol, you guys are shit level in comparison to the beast Hashirama who actually beat me, all your jutsus are useless in front of Hashirama's might

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he declares he will kill tsunade first. later we find out he failed like a fukin loser to even do that.
he claimed her techs werent comparable to hashirama's BEFORE she showed byakugo to which he comments "oh thats the same tech he used" and before he recognised it he was like "what? never heard of it" so all that he was saying before is worthless because tsunade still hadnt shown her full power yet. she didnt even summon katsuyu who could melt him as easily as she melted rocks.

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here he praises her.

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"right your not that weak"

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he resorted to a clone to escape them after having his clone destroyed. if they are so weak why not just use 3 tomoe + clone only? but no they punched right through.

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surprised tsunade survived his attempt at killing her. this means he has underestimated her.

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here he confirms what i said earlier that she uses the exact same techs, so how could they be worthless if they are the same?

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no rinnegan = madara loses right here. and im supposed to believe hashirama can counter it?

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here in another translation madara said they shouldnt call him a coward for spamming clones, because they are kages and can handle it. but he never denied he was cornered and forced to feint with a clone just to keep fighting.

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if they are so weak how come gaara stopped 5 susano swords and saved mei? it took those 25 susanos just to make the kages lose hope. and you say he was toying when he had to do all that and go to that extreme? thats like saying naruto would be toying if he made the same thign with bijuu mode clones. herp derp.

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here you can see only now is tsunade feeling the effects of her jutsu. obviously madara would have been feeling effects as well but since hes edo he cant. if tsunade's an edo then wouldnt she just be able to smash anything madara did?and A as you can see is only caught because he was worried about tsunade

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praising them again for them stopping his attempts to kill them

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onoki is also feeling effects. now if madaras not an invincible immortal wouldnt he be in pain too? if having ems only meant unlimited chakra, why specify its an effect of being a zombie?

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here he says clones were destroyed because onoki was TOO FAST. and he actually takes a legit hit here. no edo = madara is dead right here.

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here he admits they are kages and deserve their title since they are showing him their full combined power. in other words they hadnt been going all out till now.

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and in other words both combatants were going all out at that point. both showed their last cards at the same time. and if they were so weak why not just not use PS at all so as to not risk tarnishing its rep? that'd be like if naruto used his giant bijuudama on yamato and asuma. its kind of unbalanced to use ful power on someone not even worht it. so kages were worth it. and he says later everyone who saw it died so it really was his last trick. he cant use meteors UNLESS hes an edo, same with the susano army so its clear he used edo just to survive and grudgingly admitted kages were worthy after they legitimately "killed" him. whch even hashi cant do

 

[Joki]

i said nothing like that. he had no choice but to try to kill hiruzen. IC hashirmaa would never attakc him let alone try to choke him with branches.

...he was under Orochimaru's control...

so common sense demands that we believe word of mouth from people not there (kiri ninjas saying sasuke killed zabuza)?

Nope, last I checked Madara very well witnessed both Madara vs Hashirama and Madara vs Kages. No word of mouth involved just straight up fact that only retards or haters would deny.

actually he almost lost twice, and was constantly pressured, even losing 25 susano and the forests. he could afford to seem like he wasnt in danger because he was immortal and had no weaknesses. but kages very nearly proved this incorrect and forced him to go full power. if he wasnt trying how come he went 100% just to escape their last trap? thats like freeza going 100% final form to block krillins kienzan and taiyoken. it isnt happening.

Yeah if he had decided to actually try(like you witness, the kages dead) then they would have been dead within seconds but he decided to **** around. Pretend PS doesn't exist because he didn't need it to annihilate the kages as you've seen on panel.

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only an idiot would say this. gaara did the best he could and produced giant pyramids and saved kages asses in an instant from the forest till susano knocked them down.

Exactly, he did nothing, that was in vain they were all knocked out anyway(including gaara whose ass was saved by Onoki yet again lawl)

he even saved meis ass,

By cushioning her fall?

and mixed sand with meis water dragon and a's raiton.

Combo attack, Gaara did shit alone.

without him they couldnt have held out as long as they did.

And they were still shat on no diff by Madara when he actually decided "ok, time to get kyuubi, let's make short work of you guys I've had enough playing around"

considering who they fought, its a miracle all 5 lasted so long against 25 susanos. they are absolutely incredible.

I know, right! And to think Hashirama fought and beat Madara who used perfect susano'o and was actually putting in an extreme effort and still lost! Just proves how fodder the kages are compared to both of them.

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of course. hashiramas featless and inflexible. all he has is wood which has only been shown doing pollen and branch suffocation. even pollen is attributed only to madara till we see hashiramas version.

Featless? Other than being called formidable compared to the shit kages and said by a 100% reliable and fact source cough Kishi and Madara cough that he's a god? Other than making Madara using his full power his bitch? Yeah, saying Gaara stands any chance whatsoever is outright retarded. YOu know damn well Hashirama destroys Gaara with no difficulty but you seem to hate any character whos superior to Gaara and is popularly considered superior, I'm done here.

Tbh, I'm not even going to read the rest of your post I don't give a shit it's pointless since you'll never admit Gaara gets raped even if Gaara gets warped back to Hashirama's time and he tosses Gaara aside like his bitch on panel. which is what would actually happen.

 

[fourth kazekage]

That's because he wasn't trying whatsoever. And guess what happened after that? Without using PS in any way shape or form Madara crapped on them without a scratch and now they're all lying there dead.

Madara begs to differ, he thinks Hashirama would actually be a good match for him unlike the fodder kages. See my hashirama pic which I notice was reposted due to its common sense that Hashirama haters ignore. It seems like at times like these you only see the pictures and are incapable of reading words on the pages lol.

I'm curious, do you forget which account you're logged into sometimes and do you know how blatantly obvious it's?

madara wasnt trying?,he was an edo,he had no choice but to try before he broke the edo tensei,a meteor,25 susanoo clones,moukton,multiple katons,and that's not trying?,then why bother bring out perfect susanoo then? If the kages didnt make him break a sweat,why bring out his perfect susanoo?.if all those attacks werent him trying,then what chance would hashi,who had several battles with ems only madara have against edo madara?

They had been fighting madara far longer before that,their stamina was running low,his own was infinite,what did you expect? You know ems madara vs hashi?,remember hashi's face after the fight?,now imagine that ems madara to be an edo with no added powers,but infinite chakra and immortality able to fight far longer than hashi without breaking a sweat,you really think hashi would have still won?

It's funny that you call the kages fodder,when hashirama himself despite all his hype was bested by an old man with paper tags and taijutsu.

As i said before,from what i have seen of moukton techs currently,i'l give gaara the win,until we see hashi's power to back up his hype,i'l say gaara wins for now. You managed to dictate how madara beat the 5 kages,but not any known wood tech that gaara can't counter

 

[Joki]

madara wasnt trying?,he was an edo,he had no choice but to try before he broke the edo tensei,a meteor,25 susanoo clones,moukton,multiple katons,and that's not trying?,then why bother bring out perfect susanoo then? If the kages didnt make him break a sweat,why bring out his perfect susanoo?.if all those attacks werent him trying,then what chance would hashi,who had several battles with ems only madara have against edo madara?

They had been fighting madara far longer before that,their stamina was running low,his own was infinite,what did you expect? You know ems madara vs hashi?,remember hashi's face after the fight?,now imagine that ems madara to be an edo with no added powers,but infinite chakra and immortality able to fight far longer than hashi without breaking a sweat,you really think hashi would have still won?

It's funny that you call the kages fodder,when hashirama himself despite all his hype was bested by an old man with paper tags and taijutsu.

As i said before,from what i have seen of moukton techs currently,i'l give gaara the win,until we see hashi's power to back up his hype,i'l say gaara wins for now. You managed to dictate how madara beat the 5 kages,but not any known wood tech that gaara can't counter

Exactly, that's faaaaaaaaaaaar from trying. Perfect Susano'o casually shits on all that, we've seen this proven on panel. Anyway, at this point it's quite horribly obvious you both know there's no damn way Gaara stands any chance and you're just bullshitting along because you will never admit your precious Gaara will lose a match.

To take it to the extent of one of the most powerful Naruto characters who beat the guy who beat Gaara PLUS 4 other kage levels though? ...I'll take my win now.

 

[fourth kazekage]

Exactly, that's faaaaaaaaaaaar from trying. Perfect Susano'o casually shits on all that, we've seen this proven on panel. Anyway, at this point it's quite horribly obvious you both know there's no damn way Gaara stands any chance and you're just bullshitting along because you will never admit your precious Gaara will lose a match.

To take it to the extent of one of the most powerful Naruto characters who beat the guy who beat Gaara PLUS 4 other kage levels though? ...I'll take my win now.

what nonsense,you havent even said hoe hashi would actually win this fight,you just keep using bullshit hype,hashirama isnt edo madara,he wont last a second against current madara,why bother bring edo madara up as if hashirama is any where close to him?,why dont you give me any moukton tech we have seen that gaara can't counter,instead of using stupid hype,when the guy as a manga fact couldny make a forest anywhere near instantly as an edo. Gaara stands a very good chance against hashi and his wood,as all we have seen from hashi currently is easily countered by gaara's abilities,saying edo madara beat the 5 kages easily as your way to say hashi wins is bullshit logic,it's quite obvious that you can't use any techs hashi has shown or has been used in hashi's cells to debate rather than stupid hype. So i guess i'll take my win now. Oh and gaara isnt precious to me at all,so stop being a d*ck. C ya later kid

 

[Joki]

what nonsense,you havent even said hoe hashi would actually win this fight,you just keep using bullshit hype,hashirama isnt edo madara,he wont last a second against current madara,why bother bring edo madara up as if hashirama is any where close to him?,why dont you give me any moukton tech we have seen that gaara can't counter,instead of using stupid hype,when the guy as a manga fact couldny make a forest anywhere near instantly as an edo. Gaara stands a very good chance against hashi and his wood,as all we have seen from hashi currently is easily countered by gaara's abilities,saying edo madara beat the 5 kages easily as your way to say hashi wins is bullshit logic,it's quite obvious that you can't use any techs hashi has shown or has been used in hashi's cells to debate rather than stupid hype. So i guess i'll take my win now. Oh and gaara isnt precious to me at all,so stop being a d*ck. C ya later kid

It was proven on panel and Madara agrees with me, calling it bullshit makes you wrong and sound retarded. Not like anything has changed.

Suuuuure he's not. Keep telling yourself that.

 

[fourth kazekage]

It was proven on panel and Madara agrees with me, calling it bullshit makes you wrong and sound retarded. Not like anything has changed.

Suuuuure he's not. Keep telling yourself that.

madara agrees with you?,great,cuz the manga itself agrees with me,as edo hashirama's actual showing against hiruzen goes against his hype by madara,or are you gonna tell me that crap that oro didnt perfect ET?. Like i said,you just cant tell me any moukton techs that hashi can use to win this fight,simply because gaara counters them all,whether hashi is a fairy tale or not,his current known abilities are all contered by gaara and the fact that hype is all you can bring proves it,not that you actually brought anything else. Hashirama is a flea compared to current madara,that is also a manga fact,so dont even dream abt comparing edo madara,who is ems madara+hashirama+rinnegan and immortality with infinite chakra to the alive ems only madara that hashi fought several times,it's a stupid comparison.

 

[Joki]

madara agrees with you?,great,cuz the manga itself agrees with me,as edo hashirama's actual showing against hiruzen goes against his hype by madara,or are you gonna tell me that crap that oro didnt perfect ET?. Like i said,you just cant tell me any moukton techs that hashi can use to win this fight,simply because gaara counters them all,whether hashi is a fairy tale or not,his current known abilities are all contered by gaara and the fact that hype is all you can bring proves it,not that you actually brought anything else. Hashirama is a flea compared to current madara,that is also a manga fact,so dont even dream abt comparing edo madara,who is ems madara+hashirama+rinnegan and immortality with infinite chakra to the alive ems only madara that hashi fought several times,it's a stupid comparison.

Strange, because the manga=Kishi and word of god>>>>your bullshit fanboyism, Kishi severely disagrees with you. Where does the evidence of "the manga agrees with genji" lie? Nowhere because it doesn't exist and you're wrong.

 

[genii96]

Woah,why are you guys killing eachother over some debate?,it's just a debate guys,you dont need to insult eachother.

 

[Sasori No Danna]

As much as I love Gaara. I think Hashirama Senju would win. But High-Diff

 

[fourth kazekage]

Strange, because the manga=Kishi and word of god>>>>your bullshit fanboyism, Kishi severely disagrees with you. Where does the evidence of "the manga agrees with genji" lie? Nowhere because it doesn't exist and you're wrong.

manga is kishi as you said,and manga shows hashirama's actual abilities as an edo and through others,so manga showing me what someone can do is more reliable than what someone else says he can do. You keep saying hashi wins simply because madara hypes him,you havent said a single moukton tech that hashi uses to win this match that gaara can't counter. So basically,despite all the moukton techs shown,hype is the only thing you can bring to the table to say he wins,and someone like you really has a lot of guts calling someone else a fanboy

 

[fourth kazekage]

As much as I love Gaara. I think Hashirama Senju would win. But High-Diff

tell me how,and PLEASE don't use his hype as the only way he wins,cuz someguys over here basically ignore his actual abilities for his hype only.

 

[Joki]

manga is kishi as you said,and manga shows hashirama's actual abilities as an edo and through others,so manga showing me what someone can do is more reliable than what someone else says he can do. You keep saying hashi wins simply because madara hypes him,you havent said a single moukton tech that hashi uses to win this match that gaara can't counter. So basically,despite all the moukton techs shown,hype is the only thing you can bring to the table to say he wins,and someone like you really has a lot of guts calling someone else a fanboy

Yeah because it's not obvious by saying Gaara beats Hashirama and solos EMS Madara and plenty others that you and USSJ are raging Gaara fanboys...

So you basically said "Lol manga and what kishi says is fact but I deny it because I'm in love with Gaara". Why would you admit that everything I said is true and then in the next sentence be like "Lawl but imma regard it as bullshit anyway cuz i dont want hashi to win". thanks for proving me right bud.

 

[Great Sage of Uchiha]

people who says hashirama wins no diff need to leav the thread or go read the manga in a desert no one is defeating garra with ease except for edo madara mokuton useless quick sand and a sand tsunami would pretty much end this hashirama has no speed feats and he cannot fly garra takes this low to med diff

-kimimaro ( was about to stab him through the head; Gaara would have never won that if not for a disease)
-Sasuke ( Broke his defense with speed and chidori.)
- Rock lee ( Over powered gaara's defense with overwhelming speed and strength, til it wore off.)
- Naruto ( Socked him in the face, even while he was one tails)
- Deidara ( broke through gaara's defense with C3 and killed him)

 

[genii96]

-kimimaro ( was about to stab him through the head; Gaara would have never won that if not for a disease)
-Sasuke ( Broke his defense with speed and chidori.)
- Rock lee ( Over powered gaara's defense with overwhelming speed and strength, til it wore off.)
- Naruto ( Socked him in the face, even while he was one tails)
- Deidara ( broke through gaara's defense with C3 and killed him)

1) was caught in a sand coffin in 5 minutes,wouldnt have lasted if not for bone kkg which i dont think hashi has,gaara didnt go shukaku as well and pushed him to cs2 while in base only. Kimi wouldnt have gotten to that point if gaara used shukaku at any point in the fight. Sand armour stopped cs2 bones which were stronger than tempered steel.

2)gaara blocked kimi's bone drill in cs2 which was much stronger than SRA sasuke's chidori,kept up with kimimaro whose speed was 4.5 and caught him in a sand coffin in minutes.

3)went unweighted,gaara broke his front lotus in the blink of an eye and escaped,began to overpower him,went 5 gates and full power,sand armour was strong enough to blocl his gated attacks,lost to gaara with only gourd sand at his disposal.

4)yet SRA gaara still took kimi to cs2 without any sort of shukaku power,naruto went kn0 and was brushed aside alongside his army of clones by base kimi easily.

5) gaara blocked c3 in an instant just fine,took deidara's arm,controlled the fight while looking out for his village,keepong shukaku's influeance in check,fighting in the air and also wanting to capture deidara,chose his village over himself.
All those,with no place originally with sand.

On topic,hashi might be hyped more than SO6P,but from what moukton techs we have seen from him,madara,yamato,gaara can counter them by flight or burying the forest in a sand tsunami,instant healing is made useless by sand burial or quicksand prison,or sand pyramid to seal him easily. Wood isnt stronger than kimi's bones which gaara blocked and broke the dtrongest one,ot to mention his sand armour easily tanked cs2 bones as well,auto defence blocked 5 susanoo swords,so death by wood is very unikely,gaara's flight also gives him good leverage,once gaara flies up and forms his sand sphere,from what we currently have seen from hashi and moukton,,there isnt really much he can do.

Those guys who are basically killing themsevces over anime characters,how old are you anyway?:shrug:

 

[Icelerate]

Strange, because the manga=Kishi and word of god>>>>your bullshit fanboyism, Kishi severely disagrees with you. Where does the evidence of "the manga agrees with genji" lie? Nowhere because it doesn't exist and you're wrong.

Who is genji? Do you think the fourth Kazekage is genii96 since it seems like you do?

OT: I'm pretty sure that mokuton will burst through Gaara's sand like nothing considering the fact it is strong enough to defeat PS and Kyubbi. I'm also sure it can tank a sand tsunami as well. The type of logic that you guys are using makes it sound as if even Temari can beat Hashirama.

 

[Joki]

Who is genji? Do you think the fourth Kazekage is genii96 since it seems like you do?

OT: I'm pretty sure that mokuton will burst through Gaara's sand like nothing considering the fact it is strong enough to defeat PS and Kyubbi. I'm also sure it can tank a sand tsunami as well. The type of logic that you guys are using makes it sound as if even Temari can beat Hashirama.

Oh, yeah I meant Genii not Genji. Same difference >_>

I can't tell them apart most of the time, I thought that was obvious? I didn't know he was acting like they weren't the same person lol.

 

[genii96]

Who is genji? Do you think the fourth Kazekage is genii96 since it seems like you do?

OT: I'm pretty sure that mokuton will burst through Gaara's sand like nothing considering the fact it is strong enough to defeat PS and Kyubbi. I'm also sure it can tank a sand tsunami as well. The type of logic that you guys are using makes it sound as if even Temari can beat Hashirama.

if he thinks i am some guy that made a thread saying 4th kazekage>>gaara,he is an even bigger moron than i thought,why would i need another account?.

Moukton naturally supresses chakra,kyubi is pure chakra just like susanoo,so moukton will naturally be very effective against it,yamato supressed 4tk naruto,blade of kusanagi couldnt pierce iy,does that mean that yamato's wood>oro's blade of kusanagi?. Also i doubt moukton packs more of a punch than 5 complete ems susanoos at once which gaara blocked without looking,adding minerals,chakra or more sand at all. I am evaluating the match on the moukton i have seen in the series,and gaara can fly above the moukton,he can attack from underneath hashi's feet instantly,even if hashi makes a forest,the sand isnt going anywhere,sand burial would negate the auto healing as it turns the body to a pile of blood,or a pyramid to seal hashi. I am evaluating the match with the techs that i have actually seen,people actually use his hype as a way to win debates.

 

[Joki]

if he thinks i am some guy that made a thread saying 4th kazekage>>gaara,he is an even bigger moron than i thought,why would i need another account?.

Moukton naturally supresses chakra,kyubi is pure chakra just like susanoo,so moukton will naturally be very effective against it,yamato supressed 4tk naruto,blade of kusanagi couldnt pierce iy,does that mean that yamato's wood>oro's blade of kusanagi?. Also i doubt moukton packs more of a punch than 5 complete ems susanoos at once which gaara blocked without looking,adding minerals,chakra or more sand at all. I am evaluating the match on the moukton i have seen in the series,and gaara can fly above the moukton,he can attack from underneath hashi's feet instantly,even if hashi makes a forest,the sand isnt going anywhere,sand burial would negate the auto healing as it turns the body to a pile of blood,or a pyramid to seal hashi. I am evaluating the match with the techs that i have actually seen,people actually use his hype as a way to win debates.

Because you're insecure debating and 2 accounts backing you up debating the opponent makes you think it's intimidating and makes you feel better about yourself because you have "backup".

Well even if that's not true(lol) it's still your dupe. Not to mention it was so obvious I had no idea you ever had an intention to even hide it so... you're not helping your defense much there.