Gaara of the desert vs Hashirama Senju

[Mishima]

Is this a joke? Hashirama wins

 

[jay2512]

Hashirama takes this mid difficulty. If both have complete intel on each other than I think gaara would definitely have a chance. With no intel I think the first would be too overwhelming.

 

[Nazgul]

SO6P
sm kabuto with edo tensei
EDO madara
tobi
nagato

hmmm,are you sure he is top 5?xd

I ignore So6p, he is basically god tier, if you include him you must include his family too thats clear 1,2,3 pretty stupid list if you ask me. Other thing is if you count Edo tensei then you must also count the bijuu hashi once controlled too - which means he is above Nagato and Madara.

But if you want to put Hashi at 6 then where is Gaara?

Naruto
Hiruzen
Itachi
Minato
Sasuke
3rd Raikage
Muu
2nd Mizukage
Bee
Oonoki
Orochimaru
J man
A
Sasori
Kakuzu
Kisame
Gaara?

List not in order but I'd say they are all stronger than Gaara, but if you try you can put him in top 15 at best.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

There is a reason that Hashi's wood style is so feared wood > sand

gaara was feared as gaara of the desert by the age of 13. even kimimaro knew his name. who lived on the other side of the world. he was killing chunin assasins since the age of 5.

Hashi is top 5 shinobi. Gaara MAYBE lucky to be in the top 15

hashi has too little feats to be considered top 5 in this section. only in naruto discussion/manga do we talk about hype. hashiramas barely top 10 if im generous. he cant beat rinnegan or kekkei touta. he cant beat kabuto or naruto

Hashi suppressed and controlled kyuubi. Mito just sealed it within herself so Hashi could keep the power.

mito sealed it in herslef because he couldnt control it and mito had to help him out. "your power is too great, i cant let you ROAM FREE any longer" chapter 568

So you are telling us that Mr Madara who is making your precious Gaara and other kage look like fodder is hyping Hashirama this much because it wasn't a legitimate 1v1 defeat?

how is gaara my precious? seems as if your a hashirama fanboy and get pissed off when he cant win. no one is making anyone look like fodder. madara is just on a completely different level. i do not give two ****ing shits about hype in this section.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Other thing is if you count Edo tensei then you must also count the bijuu hashi once controlled too

bijus cant be used in battle. it isnt that type of controlling. if he can use them then he used them on madara making madaras loss to bijuus, not hashirama. if he had that good manipulation that he could control several, how come madara was so revered for being able to control kurama? isnt that like childs play?

Gaara MAYBE lucky to be in the top 15

hes near invincible in the desert

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

bijus cant be used in battle. it isnt that type of controlling. if he can use them then he used them on madara making madaras loss to bijuus, not hashirama. if he had that good manipulation that he could control several, how come madara was so revered for being able to control kurama? isnt that like childs play?

hes near invincible in the desert

And he lost to mr clay in the desert hashi is not a man who would fight dirty gaara killed ninja s who probably weren't fast had no clue on how to beat his sand and for your info that fight wasn't full power. :sy: the gaara and kakashi fanboys are starting to become worst then the sasuke fanboys and that means TOTAL CHAOS!

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

that was what...400 chapters ago now? gaaras infinitely improved since losing shukaku and getting some sleep. gaara has fought speedsters before. and hashirama has no seed feats so dont bring up speed. people arent fanboys if they have facts to back things up.

 

[Nazgul]

bijus cant be used in battle. it isnt that type of controlling. if he can use them then he used them on madara making madaras loss to bijuus, not hashirama. if he had that good manipulation that he could control several, how come madara was so revered for being able to control kurama? isnt that like childs play?

hes near invincible in the desert

USSJ you are a Gaara fanboi, and a Itachi hater. It's obvious gaara is very precious to you because Gaara wins in every thread for you just like this one.

If Gaara is so powerful why did he get owned by flower world straight away? I mean he should be able to take on Madara's mokuton 1v1 because he is stronger than hashi himself.

So you are telling me a guy who was able to take out perfect susanoo and EMS madara is top 10 at best? 5 kage wet themselves when they looked at perfect susanoo lol.

If hashi was able to control bijuu, there is no evidence he can't do so in battle. Kurama is the strongest bijuu by a huge margin he was able to match tbb of 5 tailed beasts, of course someone will be revered for doing that idiot. Hashi was equally revered much more so that gaara ever was.

And gaara is jonin level on any water surface because he can't make extra sand right?

 

[genii96]

USSJ you are a Gaara fanboi, and a Itachi hater. It's obvious gaara is very precious to you because Gaara wins in every thread for you just like this one.

If Gaara is so powerful why did he get owned by flower world straight away? I mean he should be able to take on Madara's mokuton 1v1 because he is stronger than hashi himself.

So you are telling me a guy who was able to take out perfect susanoo and EMS madara is top 10 at best? 5 kage wet themselves when they looked at perfect susanoo lol.

If hashi was able to control bijuu, there is no evidence he can't do so in battle. Kurama is the strongest bijuu by a huge margin he was able to match tbb of 5 tailed beasts, of course someone will be revered for doing that idiot. Hashi was equally revered much more so that gaara ever was.

And gaara is jonin level on any water surface because he can't make extra sand right?

gaara didnt get owned at all by flower world,he flew over it easily while carrying the kages,he was then hit by a susanoo fist which hashi dosent have. He can fly over hashi's moukton can't he?.

His wood supresses and controls bijuu,kurama is a bijuu regardless of it's power,madara took control of it with a look as well.also kurama was controlled,it didnt have a jin unlike he has with naruto,he couldnt use it's power to it's fullest,look at how deidara captured the sanbi easily,i am not taking anything from hashi,but he had the perfect tools to beat madara,just like because gaara had the right tools to beat joki boy which muu couldnt do all his life dosent mean gaara would pwn muu does it?.

Hashirama is powerful no doubt,but gaara's skillset is similar to his,and is incredibly versatile,he can also change landscapes as well as has counters to hashi's techs. Hashirama is strong but gaara's skillset allow him to beat him. I am not a hater.

 

[narutownsyouall]

when has that been possible? sand is hardened like steel in gaaras hand

pyramid was taken out by jouki boi only. the madara clone couldnt escape it

obviously he sinks the forest and crushes it.


gaara performed two pyramids, two sand tsunamis, sand hail, two sand clones, and three sealing techniques to take out his dad, muu and 2nd mizu. so dont tell me he has low chakra levels

we dont know what happened. its canon fact sasuke beat deidara and itachi but there were circumstances in those fights. and no mito beat kurama and sealed it. hashirama couldnt

2nd mizu stated gaaras sensor sand did

gaara wins low diff. sand particles block hashiramas windpipe. and onoki just jintons hashirama in the face.

no he cant. not once has he ever instantly made a forest.

not once has he ever demonstrated this in 598 chapters

no one said anything about hinata helping against pain or kushina helping vs tobi and kurama. but they did so. no one said anything about naruto needing yamato/kakashi/shika to take out kakuzu but tobi insists on saying naruto did it all by himself. no one knows why they do this.

no they were full power

we have no idea what happened or what weakness he exploited

kages are exhausted from the war, and raikages gimped by losing his arm. moreover they are facing an invincible immortal with hashiramas power and rinnegan

show me him demonstrating this. wait...wait no...the only panels of hashirama from that fight have him either battle damaged or bleeding


so hashirama can tank having his arms crushed to bits and his throat blocked in by a sandstorm?

no he didnt. mito beat kurama and sealed it in herself. we dont know what happened between hashi and madara. madara may have had a weakness hashi alone coudl exploit or some type of poison prepared just for that encounter. or maybe madara had it won but stopped to gloat, giving hashi a chance to break out

gaara is the commander of an entire army, and strongest in his own village as well as the "golden prodigy" of the current alliance

they are not easily beat since they jsut turn back into sand and attack the attacker

gaara also changes the battlefield with powerful force

if there is more than one hashirama running around, clearly they are clones. its impossible to tell apart regular shadow clones from the original as sasuke and madara learnt. gaara was the only one to notice the naruto fighting with them was in fact a kage bunshin. not once did madara be like "oh thats a clone. shouldnt waste my time on him"

which feats suggest this? all clones have the same powers as the original.

no he does not. it took him a chapter to fill a roof with trees against hiruzen. you think hes comparable to madara who was the only one to do it in two pages? not hashirama?

which was dodged by gaara flying into the air.

wrong. how did he find muu then? absolute moron

with the sky turned into a floating ocean of sand with sand clones on the ground how does hashi find gaara?

gaaras shown he hasnt lost one drop of stamina. in fact he seems even stronger than shukaku

well fighting THREE IMMORTAL KAGES and then MADARA all in a row without a break will do that to you


no it doesnt. no senju has this. senjus were named as such because they are jacks of all trades, masters of every aspect of combat. uchihas were the ones with unnatural chakra levels

show me him healing something. and show me him growing mokuton. how does hashirama plan to survive a full sand burial meaning his whole bodys crushed? and no pusy wood will do aything but go through the sand. it wont come off just because somethings going through it.

so his healing grants immortality? because gaara can just sink him 200m below the ground or block his windpipe with sand particles.

extreme pain breaks genjutsus. gaara can sand crush his finger.

where has he demonstrated this?

no. it doesnt. it goes through the sand but the sand itself doesnt move. and gaaras sand has stopped raikages gillotine drop, amaterasu, C3, and 5 susano swords. hittign it with crap will not work

where has hashirama shown he can perform that many clones?

so that means they cant beat him? when feats directly contradict this? ems madara = hashirama and ems madara was overwhelmed by weakened kages, a naruto clone and fodder army. hashirama was bleeding and got messed up and even needed his wifes help like minato did.

no it didt. not once did it ever say that anywhere. not once was it even implied. mito beat kurama, that however is said.

how in gods name can you know that?

show me him making more than one

except no he cannnot and has not. not once has this ever been shown as an ability he has
gaara didnt use shukaku on kimimaro when he could have. and that was when gaara was 13. are you saying gaara hasnt changed at all in power?

no he didnt. he said if thy cant even beat him without intel how can they beat tobi

when did he demonstrate this?

when did he demonstrate this?

how do you know

not using all his arsenal is irrelevant. do you think hiruzen did? hell no. he knew every jutsu in konha. so three holding back people fought a dying old man and nearly lost

Tell me one place in the manga where it states that Mito helped Hashirama in the fight against Madara. If you can not then I will call you a liar and you are a useless debater in Narutobase bye.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Tell me one place in the manga where it states that Mito helped Hashirama in the fight against Madara.

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It's obvious gaara is very precious to you because Gaara wins in every thread for you just like this one.

actually i actively avoid battles with gaara where i know he cant win and concentrate on ones where he can fight in a desert. gaara without a desert is kind of like restricting MS for sasuke

If Gaara is so powerful why did he get owned by flower world straight away? I mean he should be able to take on Madara's mokuton 1v1 because he is stronger than hashi himself.

no desert, already exhausted, was not owned right away in fact he actually escaped it while protecting 4 kages at the same time, but was punched down into the pollen by madara susano. so 1 vs 1, with no susano fist, gaara escapes it with ease

So you are telling me a guy who was able to take out perfect susanoo and EMS madara is top 10 at best? 5 kage wet themselves when they looked at perfect susanoo lol.

a guy who we have no idea how he managed to fight with madara or what the situation was. is it confirmed he used PS on hashirama? maybe controlling kyuubi took up too much chakra. did you forget kages had already been fighting edo kages, regular susano and army of mokuton clones prior to PS and that they were exhausted and had effectively killed madara already by jintoning half his body off (you can see him regenerating)?

And gaara is jonin level on any water surface because he can't make extra sand right?

exactly. so hashirama in an aerial battle would probably be a chunin

 

[genii96]

Gaara wins here.

 

[vinaygunz]

Hmm the battle location can be a open grassy field where theres no forest or desert

Hashirama's kekke genkai mokutan (Earth + Water) uses chakra to create life. It dosen't matter where the stage is set. He can bring up forests without breaking a sweat. Desert or not.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Hashirama's kekke genkai mokutan (Earth + Water) uses chakra to create life. It dosen't matter where the stage is set. He can bring up forests without breaking a sweat. Desert or not.

Gaara can bring up a desert as well. Go check part 1 Gaaras battle against Kimmimaro for this. And his sand is more versatile than the wood.
In the desert Gaara he could beat Hashirama low to med difficulty
Im being generous and not making this a easy fight for Gaara

Gaara in a grassy field wins med difficulty at least

 

[genii96]

Gaara can bring up a desert as well. Go check part 1 Gaaras battle against Kimmimaro for this. And his sand is more versatile than the wood.
In the desert Gaara he could beat Hashirama low to med difficulty
Im being generous and not making this a easy fight for Gaara

Gaara in a grassy field wins med difficulty at least

this basically sums up the match,gaara already created a dessert from a place full of rock and rocky pillars here

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and did this effortlessely in one panel just to test their response

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in a grassland,with only soil to break,it's gonna be much quicker.

 

[TheSages456]

lol whats up with people saying gaara wins despite kishi implying something very different. obviously the people saying that gaara wins lack common sense.

 

[fourth kazekage]

gaara wins high diff in a grassland/rocky area,low-mid diff in a dessert or sandy area

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Hashirama's kekke genkai mokutan (Earth + Water) uses chakra to create life. It dosen't matter where the stage is set. He can bring up forests without breaking a sweat

and gaara can sink the forests by turning the place into quicksand

 

[genii96]

Hashirama's kekke genkai mokutan (Earth Water) uses chakra to create life. It dosen't matter where the stage is set. He can bring up forests without breaking a sweat. Desert or not.

gaara has the ability to control any sand,and his sand abilities apperently surpass even the shukaku at full power as said by his dad,and the attack he saw was just to test their response.

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that was full of rocks and pillars,

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this happened in one panel without effort and without breaking a sweat.

Hashi makes a forest,gaara sinks it. Not to mention gaara can simply fly over the forets easily while sinking it at the same time.

 

[Seighmund]

How can it be put any mor simply? Garra couldn't 1v1 Madara, who was roflstomped by hashi. Do the math