Buggy was and Luffy had impostors when everyone had only known his pretimeskip feats..Once again you're just being foolish because I don't think you pay attention to the things you type
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1. You can't be renowned if you are not strong enough in the first place.
Dude just read what I put... I literally said "EXTRA," there's no extra destructive force coming from there... Again, didn't say Asgard Moriah is weak as shit, just that in comparison he is.Once again you're just being foolish because I don't think you pay attention to the things you type
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1. You can't be renowned if you are not strong enough in the first place.
2. He rivaled Kaido until he got his ass kicked by him in the New world, and considering the fact that all Pirates would get their ass kicked by Kaido (who are not yonkous), that's really nothing to capitalized on especially when Captain Kidd and his alliance also got their asses kicked by Kaido too.
3. Moriah sitting on his ass has nothing to do with what his devil fruit powers are capable of because Moriah's shadow's naturally boost anyone's strength even Moriah himself. So Moriah didn't just grow in size he gained strength from the shadow's he absorbed too like I said before:
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4. You're foolish to think that I believe that G4 Luffy is inferior to Nightmare Luffy because if you actually paid attention to what I post, you would know that I said that Nightmare Luffy is stronger than G2 not G4
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Besides the people that I listed above, nobody showed anything remotely impressive compared to Moriah.
Pica punched a city not an island, you can hardly compare the feats. Pica never assimilated anything as big as a island or even the massive castle that is bigger than Asgard Moriah.
The reason why I said Burguess has an impressive (when compared to moriah's feats) is that he soloed block A New world pirates in a few seconds. Impressive Haki and didn't get his ass kicked by anyone except for Sabo.
Besides that Sabo and Jesus are on a way higher level than Pica hismelf because all that guy did was run and hide then got one-shotted by Zoro.
No not a lot of people can survive a castle crushing down on their face especially Usopp. Go to the impel down and you would find that pirates on level 4 would get killed with a huge castle collapsing on their face. Ivankov knocked himself out just because he Death Wink his head through the next floor. So unless you're Warlord of the Sea level, you're not surviving a castle to the face.
Usopp survive most of his situations thanks to plot (he's in luffy's crew) and running gags.
I already told you that the extra force comes from the power he gains from the shadows he absorbed and it's not only size. Wtf do you pay attention?
Buggy wasn't warlord of the sea pre timeskip when Moriah was still in position so I don't know what you're talking about. You don't know what deals were made during the time skip to allow Buggy to be Warlord of the sea.
All I see is a bunch of assumptions but regardless I proved my point exactly. You're gonna get your ass kicked by a Yonkou like Kaido eventually, even Doflamingo avoided any conflict with Kaido by listening to Law so Moriah should be no different.
I said post timeskip G2 specifically, I didn't mention anything about G4 so obviously you have no idea on what you are talking about.
Burgess showed Buso haki when he clashed with Sabo, the same power it took to one shot a vice admiral in which it took Sabo several attacks to beat up Jesus. If you're not impress with him then that's your problem. He's 1st commander of a yonkou ship, that just shows you how strong Sabo really is anyways.
A castle is not the same size and density of a building, so it's completely stupid to compare the two and their force output, especially when Apoo got knocked out after getting kicked at the speed of light through a building smaller than a castle.
1. Bold is not a valid excuse really
Wow, your paint skills perfectly show what I was trying to say? If we were to put it numerical you might understand better. So Moriah with a strength of 1 take 1 shadow, which multiplies his strength by 2. Making it 2. Luffy, with a strength of 5 takes the same shadow and now goes to 10. See my point? Luffy was physically stronger than Moriah and so the shadows he absorbed had a greater effect on him, even though there were fewer in number. So yes the shadows do make you stronger, but I don't believe Moriah was that inherently strong that when he went Asgard Moriah he became super powerful and that actually the destructive force that he displayed came mainly due to his size increase. Not that the shadows did nothing. You're honestly not reading posts correctly.
... How embarrassing.
You're not reading the into this conversation properly. I never said anything about Moriah's base strength only his Asgard form. When moriah absorbs a shadow, he gains their skills and strength from that shadow he absorbed ( I even posted luffy gaining swordskills from the shadow he absorbed). Moriah growing in size is just a byproduct of it all. This is what I was saying the whole time and you're arguing with me.
You just proved why your example of Buggy being a Warlord had nothing to do with his strength like the rest. So you countered yourself.
I just said that G4 capabilities are all excluded qand I specified as much because G4 doesn't affect the power of G2. You're the one that's misunderstanding me.Once again, not reading posts. I just reference the fact that I was talking about the current Luffy, with G4 capabilities, and you then commented on my post (so on the current Luffy) and said he wouldn't win. You're the one that doesn't know what he's talking about xD. And LOL! Ceasar clown is weaker than Moriah?????? hahahaha, Moriah has showed no sign of haki, he's never even going to touch Ceasar clown
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I hope you know that you're the only one that thinks Moriah would lose to CC since you tend to believe that you can't beat a logia without haki
I didn't downplay Zoro only Pica you clown. Even if Zoro is stronger, if Pica was even remotely strong then he would at least land 1 hit on him which he failed to do.
Keep banging your head against the building if that would help you to learn how to read. I never said.
And I'm telling you that Usopp is not. Ivo got knocked out by going through the first floor obviously Usopp with a vastly lower durability would not survive.
I didn't say that he wasn't a swordsman learn how to read properly. I said that they're hardly not worthy.
And in that same panel it says their strength multiplies... I know you didn't take into account Moriah's base strength, because your brain can't compute that as being a factor. I mentioned it as I think it's pretty relevant.You're not reading the into this conversation properly. I never said anything about Moriah's base strength only his Asgard form. When moriah absorbs a shadow, he gains their skills and strength from that shadow he absorbed ( I even posted luffy gaining swordskills from the shadow he absorbed). Moriah growing in size is just a byproduct of it all. This is what I was saying the whole time and you're arguing with me.
You just proved why your example of Buggy being a Warlord had nothing to do with his strength like the rest. So you countered yourself.
I just said that G4 capabilities are all excluded qand I specified as much because G4 doesn't affect the power of G2. You're the one that's misunderstanding me.
You're the only one gullible enough to think that Ceasar Clown would beat Moriah. Kuma showed no signs of haki but his devil fruit enables him to repel almost anything even things that are intangible as Perona's ghost. Moriah can still take Cesear clown's shadow without haki. Make a thread about it and you'll know how foolish you look.
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I hope you know that you're the only one that thinks Moriah would lose to CC since you tend to believe that you can't beat a logia without haki
I didn't downplay Zoro only Pica you clown. Even if Zoro is stronger, if Pica was even remotely strong then he would at least land 1 hit on him which he failed to do.
Keep banging your head against the building if that would help you to learn how to read. I never said.
I never said that Apoo was conscious, I said that he was knocked out.
And I specifically said that you cannot compare the two because of the force output. Do you know how to read?
And I'm telling you that Usopp is not. Ivo got knocked out by going through the first floor obviously Usopp with a vastly lower durability would not survive.
I didn't say that he wasn't a swordsman learn how to read properly. I said that they're hardly not worthy.
No, you're just too dense to realize that base strength is irrelevant. Moriah's devil fruit powers to take other people's skills/strength by absorbing other's shadows. So you don't an accurate read on it anyways.
I didn't contradict myself. You explained to me why Buggy is the exception and it's because of his sovereignty and reputation. The rest are strictly feats, even Blackbeard stated himself that the only way he can obtain shichibaku title is by proving your strength. And from what Blackbeard said, it's by taking in somebody who defeated a World of the Sea or beat someone who is Warlord of the Sea level (Ace).
I did say that, you're just to stupid to read again. And you were the one who started all the name calling bashing me by calling me foolish in post #19 in this thread. If you have a problem with name calling, then stfu with the name calling. Stop saying I'm stupid, foolish or all the above. Tf is wrong with you? It's like punching somebody and expecting not to get punched back. Grow up.
Moriah has a doppleman that can do his work for him like you said before, it can float around and it's impervious to physical attacks just like Cesear Clown. So he's not going nowhere that Moriah cannot reach him. On top of that Moriah was able to forcefully take Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Franky, and Robin's shadow from them 4/5 people I just listed being physically stronger than Cesear Clown. Moriah isn't going to have a problem taking any shadow from CC. And taking the oxygen of a shadow doppleman isn't going to do anything either, especially when the range is limited by a few meters.
1. You're crazy and you don't know what you're talking about. Zoro is one of my top favs and what you're saying doesn't make sense.
1. You're not reading my post properly because I just said that Apoo was kicked at lightspeed meaning that the force generated from kizaru's kick was what knocked him out not the building he crashed on. In fact he was lucky that it was a building otherwise the solid ground would be his terminal velocity. That's why I said you cannot compare the Moriah with Apoo's situation.
Usopp is a bitch with excellent sniping skills. His durability is trash.
Dude, regardless of devil fruit, base Luffy is base Luffy. If he was to throw the same punch it would be the same strength with or without his devil fruit. It's when he stretches that gives him the extra force from the elasticity. And the panel you showed literally says multiplied, taking your own evidence would show that Luffy absorbing shadows would have a greater effect than it would with Moriah because he is stronger to begin with soo..
Uh no because base luffy runs through buildings he comes undamaged with the debris leaving behind him but when BB stripped Luffy of his powers and slammed him to the ground, he was bleeding suffering significant damage from a little crater.
You're senile because you're contradicting yourself again. Buggy was given false feats for things that he did not do. His false feats are renowned not him himself. So he's a horrible example because you can't name a single Warlord who's in the same position as Buggy.
What do you mean what is Doppleman going to do? How about take his shadow, duh! Logia intangible or not, shadow is still shadow. Shadow's are intangible too yet Moriah has not problem taking that away from people. Tf is with your logic.
Well that's your opinion. Just because you see full body haki doesn't mean it's extravagant enough to be considered noteworthy. Vergo can use a full body haki too and Law one-shots him without even using Haki. So it's useless.
Like I said before, the building did nothing only kizaru's kick did the damage because he was being sent at the speed of light. So you can hardly compare the two since they are different forces being exerted.
That's not an excuse, he still got knocked out
I said that it's a cumulative of a bunch of things including the building. You just don't know how to read do you?
No dummy. It's LITERALLY BRICK BAT: BLACK BOX. It says it there in the manga. I didn't add any words to make anything sound better.
Pre-timeskip Luffy>>> Usopp What tf are you talking about
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Now you're talking about durability.. We were taking about destructive force output and you know it. So don't go now saying Luffy can handle more damage because that's completely irrelevant. We haven't spoken about that once.Uh no because base luffy runs through buildings he comes undamaged with the debris leaving behind him but when BB stripped Luffy of his powers and slammed him to the ground, he was bleeding suffering significant damage from a little crater.
You're senile because you're contradicting yourself again. Buggy was given false feats for things that he did not do. His false feats are renowned not him himself. So he's a horrible example because you can't name a single Warlord who's in the same position as Buggy.
That's why I also said that Buggy was not a Warlord pre timeskip so you don't know what deal they had with Buggy during the hiatus.
What do you mean what is Doppleman going to do? How about take his shadow, duh! Logia intangible or not, shadow is still shadow. Shadow's are intangible too yet Moriah has not problem taking that away from people. Tf is with your logic.
Well that's your opinion. Just because you see full body haki doesn't mean it's extravagant enough to be considered noteworthy. Vergo can use a full body haki too and Law one-shots him without even using Haki. So it's useless.
He didn't clash with anybody strong to prove his strength making Pica weak.
Like I said before, the building did nothing only kizaru's kick did the damage because he was being sent at the speed of light. So you can hardly compare the two since they are different forces being exerted.
That's not an excuse, he still got knocked out
I said that it's a cumulative of a bunch of things including the building. You just don't know how to read do you?
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No dummy. It's LITERALLY BRICK BAT: BLACK BOX. It says it there in the manga. I didn't add any words to make anything sound better.
The bold part is a weak assumption considering the fact that he used brick back on base luffy before.
Pre-timeskip Luffy>>> Usopp What tf are you talking about
This is as dumb as saying Sugar would oneshot a yonkou.
Make a thread about this and you'll see the shit you're about to get right now
That's just part of it. But the point is that you cannot measure base luffy and base devil fruit luffy's strength because he's never shown any type of strength without his devil fruit. Same with Moriah so you cannot judge.
You contradicted yourself when started explaining why Buggy is the exception from the rest of the Warlord to prove my point that in order for you to be renowned, you need to be strong/power. So clearly you have no idea on what you are talking about.
Well that's your opinion because Moriah will do exactly that and take his shadow LIKE HE DID EVERYONE ELSE because resistance is futile. Once Moriah grabs a hold of your shadow, there's no resistance whether you are paramythia or logia, your shadow is all the same. All of Cesear's attacks are useless against the Doppleman. Nobody let's Moriah take their shadows in the first place, and yet he still manages to take it from them anyways. So Cesear is no different from the rest of his victims, he has no special resistance to Moriah.
No it's not noteworthy, it's just for show. You can cover your body in all the haki you wan, but if it is useless for what it is intended for then there is no point giving it any praise.
The force isn't comparable? How so... Kizaru is quite clearly going to offer the higher force output haha and this is why you're stupid for thinking he wouldn't
The force going at the speed of light compared to the force of a castle free falling to your face is not comparable you retard. Do you see how stupid you look right now?Learn to use the quote bar because this shit isn't making any sense. Regardless bold part is the same thing.
The post before that was towards Big Mom and it said that Luffy in Gear 3 and 2 was pushing him back to the castle that knocked him out. Nothing I said there is wrong. The castle was responsible for knocking him out, I did not say that he wasn't slipping in and out of consciousness beforehand.
Turning into a toy doesn't stop you from knocking a bitch out, just look at Kryos when he was a toy. Sugar passing out due to a scream will get knocked the fuck out by that toy gun. The comment was dumb, end of discussion.
It's not part of it, because we're talking about force output, not durability. And you can very much measure his strength, when he hit Belamy, it'd be the same with or without his fruit. As for Moriah, we're never going to see him without his devil fruit so what does it matter? The strength he has displayed so far is the strength that Moriah is capable of.
I didn't. Your reply did. You literally stated that to be a Warlord of the Sea you have to be renowned and that you can't be renowned without first being strong. In reply to that, I said Buggy. Who by no means is on any level of the other Shichibukai. That is the topic, I've not strayed from that point and that just because Moriah has that title, doesn't mean he's then on the same level of Mihawk, another character with that title. So you defending Moriah saying he's strong just because he has that title, is incorrect.
But with everyone else he used force, which he can't do with Ceasar as he can't touch him. And once again, why would Ceasar attack Doppleman? As soon as he realises it's futile he'd just concentrate on Moriah which he would then easily take out. His special resistance is that he can't be touched by Moriah, and he wouldn't just stand around and let his shadow be taken.
Show? haha, fairly certain it's there for effect... But Oda clearly used it for hyping up Zoro.
They're two measures that can be calculated the same way. They are then completely comparable, just that one completely pales the other. And you've now just admitted that Kizaru's was far superior, which continuous people to get up from, still conscious, is obviously greater feats than Moriah being knocked out by a castle falling on him. Which yes, you've now said there was more too it, that was my original grievance, that you said it was a castle that knocked him out when he's just had probably the second hardest fight of his life after Kaido and you put it down to being a castle that does the job xD.
I never said that Kizaru would not offer a higher force output, you're just to stupid to read properly.
Kizaru's force output exceeds anything a building has to offer because it's a kick at lightspeed, in real life you would die the instant that object/kick ever touched your face you dumbass.
That was a response to Ivankov. You're the one mentioning him, you explain why he gets knocked out when no other other character does that have been previously mentioned? Surely that must just indicate that he's more on the weak side. Clearly a fair comment that I responded ages ago.
Yes and it's the post that I was commenting on. Doesn't matter who it was too, I can still address it. Because of your lack of description, that you've now come out changing and adding more to, yeah, fair enough. But to just say it was the castle that took him out was stupid and would only show just how weak Moriah was, which that wouldn't have knocked him out if he hadn't just been through that battle.
When a contract is made it does. Kyros was the only character we saw that wasn't under a contract and that ended up proving to be a nightmare for Doffy and co. on Dressrosa. Dude, Sugar was seconds away from getting Luffy and Law and ending their lives as pirates, simultaneously. You're telling me that she's weak? She's got an incredible devil fruit and how you can't see that is baffling. Are you even reading the same story as me?
No you cannot use that logic because Luffy still had his devil fruit at the time, so you cannot differentiate the two because luffy doesn't need to stretch his arms every time to output his devil fruit strength.
I shouldn't have to repeat myself because you just explained to me why Buggy was the exception. Actually know what the word exception means because other then that you do need to be strong/powerful in order for you to be renowned period.
1. Moriah doesn't need to touch your physical body in order for him to remove your shadow, he just grabs your shadow (that's the type of force that I was talking about). That's why I've been repeating over and over again that a shadow is a shadow and they're all the same regardless of who you are. Yet you stubbornly ignored that vital part.
Haha no, a clash of haki has always been a power struggle. Saying it's for "show" is a wild speculation and a bad one when we've seen a clash of haki happened latter on the stronger one eventually winning:
You're being a moron again. I always said that Kizaru's kicks are superior so of course you cannot measure the buildings because in Apoo's case a building is irrelevant to lightspeed kick. I've never once said that a building falling is stronger than Kizaru's kicks otherwise prove that I did.
A high ranking officer that was on Dragon's crew is on the weak side now? XD
XD I don't need to describe what's already been stated in the manga. So it's your stupidity and lack of reading that made you digress in the first place. Leaving out details of what happened is not adding or changing what has already been said because it doesn't make me wrong, in the end it was the building that knocked him out unconscious regardless to what happened to him prior to. So saying that the castle didn't knock him out is just stupid because there is literally a page of him finally going down after the castle dropped on his head.
If Kryos wasn't under the control, then why the hell would a yonkou be under one when they can knock the bitch out with just Supreme Kings Haki? Sugar is weak and she's nothing but baby that got scared to near death. Doflamingo sent is strongest Executive officer to protect her just because she's weak.
