Full Kurama vs EMS Madara

[Beans2]

It's astonishing how quickly this thread deteriorated.

OT: I see Madara winning, but Sasuke loses.

 

[Strict]

Except that they never released Chakra this way. Except Hachibi purposely created a feint to make Sasuke assume they captured Bee. Except that the Juubi was restrained by the gates. Except that if one has multiple ways to get rid of something, he can only use one method. Nagato using Shinra Tensei to get rid of Amaterasu doesn't mean he couldn't have used Preta-Path as well.

Fact is, Kyuubi showed that he can release energy from his body as a center like a blast wave, that's what's needed to get rid of Amaterasu. Why people always play the fool.

 

[Transcendence]

4 tailed V2 Kyuubi leaves a huge crater with a bit of his Chakra release like Shinra Tensei [

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]. You literally see how Kyuubi can release energy from his body in the form of a blast wave [

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], yet people dare to argue with Amaterasu. This flame is pushed away by Kyuubi with sheer Chakra release.

That was my argument, but you won't have them admitting they're wrong. They fail to acknowledge that the Juubi couldn't move because of the God Gates from Hashirama, and that Gyuki purposely feinted them out to save Bee and to make them think he was captured.

 

[Xlad]

Except that they never released Chakra this way. Except Hachibi purposely created a feint to make Sasuke assume they captured Bee. Except that the Juubi was restrained by the gates. Except that if one has multiple ways to get rid of something, he can only use one method. Nagato using Shinra Tensei to get rid of Amaterasu doesn't mean he couldn't have used Preta-Path as well.

Fact is, Kyuubi showed that he can release energy from his body as a center like a blast wave, that's what's needed to get rid of Amaterasu. Why people always play the fool.

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[shelke]

Except that they never released Chakra this way. Except Hachibi purposely created a feint to make Sasuke assume they captured Bee. Except that the Juubi was restrained by the gates. Except that if one has multiple ways to get rid of something, he can only use one method. Nagato using Shinra Tensei to get rid of Amaterasu doesn't mean he couldn't have used Preta-Path as well.

Fact is, Kyuubi showed that he can release energy from his body as a center like a blast wave, that's what's needed to get rid of Amaterasu. Why people always play the fool.

No he didn't. Bee admits he thought of it on the fly. So no, it didn't create any feint beforehand and felt the full blast of Amaterasu on itself. Couldn't push it off either.

What Nagato has doesn't translate into what luxury Kurama would have. Two separate arguments, two separate skill sets, two separate people.

Just like Juubi did? Now you are going to tell me that Kurama can somehow do better? Why do people persist on playing the fool?

 

[Strict]

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No he didn't. Bee admits he thought of it on the fly. So no, it didn't create any feint beforehand and felt the full blast of Amaterasu on itself. Couldn't push it off either.

What Nagato has doesn't translate into what luxury Kurama would have. Two separate arguments, two separate skill sets, two separate people.

Just like Juubi did? Now you are going to tell me that Kurama can somehow do better? Why do people persist on playing the fool?

Why beating about the bush? I don't care what the Hachibi and Juubi didn't do and why. Only what Kyuubi did. It's his canon feat to release chakra/energy from his body as a center to push away all matter. Canon feat is canon, period.

 

[shelke]

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Why beating about the bush? I don't care what the Hachibi and Juubi didn't do and why. Only what Kyuubi did. It's his canon feat to release chakra/energy from his body as a center to push away all matter. Canon feat is canon, period.

Kurama is also a Bijuu. You don't care doesn't matter to me. It means you have little argument and only require concession. Hachibi and Juubi both couldn't do it. It's also canon manga. Period.

 

[Bronze]

shelk, remember those times when Transcendence tells me not be racist toward Strict, when now he's making fun of your career choices. Or when I negged him for disliking my post, now he's doing the same thing to Minatoxx.

The guy has shown his true image right now: A complete hypocrite.

Don't take this personal, Tran, but you constantly pick on me for doing what you do now. At least I don't go around and acting like a sage, advising people's behaviour.

 

[Strict]

Kurama is also a Bijuu. You don't care doesn't matter to me. It means you have little argument and only require concession. Hachibi and Juubi both couldn't do it. It's also canon manga. Period.

How can I debate with you at eye level when you are not at least able to accept what happened in the manga? What happened that happened. Plus, any Bijuu has his own properties. Though Kyuubi is not known to have special abilities like the other Bijuu, it is characterized by having an extremely powerful Chakra, whose release alone blasts the surroundings.

And the Juubi doesn't inherit the properties of the Bijuu, it is just a tremendous entity that contains an almost infinite amount of Chakra.

Oh boy. If you want to debate at eye level, first accept what is canon.

 

[Transcendence]

shelk, remember those times when Transcendence tells me not be racist toward Strict, when now he's making fun of your career choices. Or when I negged him for disliking my post, now he's doing the same thing to Minatoxx.

The guy has shown his true image right now: A complete hypocrite.

Don't take this personal, Tran, but you constantly pick on me for doing what you do now. At least I don't go around and acting like a sage, advising people's behaviour.

Racism and popping fun at someone's life is completely different. You generalized two people for one man's insolence. Don't put me on your level when it comes to this. You collaborated with Sir Derp Obito to stalk me and find out personal things about me to attack me, so you can't really talk about this. I'm not a hypocrite. The way I talk to Shelke is after many, many threads of constantly seeing him belittle people with some superiority complex that he has seemed to develop and I've had enough. I don't advise people's behaviour because frankly, I don't care about people who I'll never meet or coerce with. I'm done replying to Shelke and there's no need to bring up the past animosity in this thread. Trust me. You're far from knowing my true nature. If you honestly believe my real persona is out for people on a forum to see, you'd be sorely mistaken. I haven't picked on you since we had that truce in the premium chat, so this shot at me came out of nowhere and is completely unwarranted.

 

[shelke]

shelk, remember those times when Transcendence tells me not be racist toward Strict, when now he's making fun of your career choices. Or when I negged him for disliking my post, now he's doing the same thing to Minatoxx.

The guy has shown his true image right now: A complete hypocrite.

Don't take this personal, Tran, but you constantly pick on me for doing what you do now. At least I don't go around and acting like a sage, advising people's behaviour.

I agree and I never thought I would agree with you. I actually sided with him back then.

How can I debate with you at eye level when you are not at least able to accept what happened in the manga? What happened that happened. Plus, any Bijuu has his own properties. Though Kyuubi is not known to have special abilities like the other Bijuu, it is characterized by having an extremely powerful Chakra, whose release alone blasts the surroundings.

And the Juubi doesn't inherit the properties of the Bijuu, it is just a tremendous entity that contains an almost infinite amount of Chakra.

Oh boy. If you want to debate at eye level, first accept what is canon.

The Jubbi is nothing but an aggregate of all the Bijuu chakra. Love the new explanation after explanation you are concocting and then, ironically, asking people to accept canon manga?

This point has been repeatedly mentioned by the other posters. Not to mention how you are equating BM - a chakra manifestation - with Kurama's body that had smoke coming out of it when a mere FRS hit it. Learn to separate between the two. Like I said, other debaters have already covered this point with great finesse. Re-read those.

 

[Bronze]

Racism and popping fun at someone's life is completely different. You generalized two people for one man's insolence. Don't put me on your level when it comes to this. You collaborated with Sir Derp Obito to stalk me and find out personal things about me to attack me, so you can't really talk about this. I'm not a hypocrite. The way I talk to Shelke is after many, many threads of constantly seeing him belittle people with some superiority complex that he has seemed to develop and I've had enough. I don't advise people's behaviour because frankly, I don't care about people who I'll never meet or coerce with. I'm done replying to Shelke and there's no need to bring up the past animosity in this thread. Trust me. You're far from knowing my true nature. If you honestly believe my real persona is out for people on a forum to see, you'd be sorely mistaken. I haven't picked on you since we had that truce in the premium chat, so this shot at me came out of nowhere and is completely unwarranted.

I replied for what you replied to me yesterday.

 

[Strict]

I don't need to explain anything. It's enough to show what the author of the Manga wrote/drew down. And that was the Kyuubi's property to abruptly release a high amount of Chakra from his body with enough momentum to turn the whole environment to paste like Shinra Tensei. It's simply canon. Just don't let me lose the last respect to you. Juubi, as you said accurately, just combines the Chakra of the Bijuu, like a container, but it doesn't use their properties. No Chakra release, no lava release, no sand control, etc. pp.

And please, don't start with the FRS bullshit. There was no smoke coming out of his body (which sounds already quite stupid). The smoke was created by simple friction. The same smoke surrounded the third Raikage's body, though the Rasenshuriken made no damage. The Rasenshuriken did nothing but shaving Kyuubi's chest hair.

 

[Transcendence]

I replied for what you replied to me yesterday.

I didn't mean that as a personal attack by any means. You were being extremely hypocritical with your example, which is what I called you out for.

 

[shelke]

I don't need to explain anything. It's enough to show what the author of the Manga wrote/drew down. And that was the Kyuubi's property to abruptly release a high amount of Chakra from his body with enough momentum to turn the whole environment to paste like Shinra Tensei. It's simply canon. Just don't let me lose the last respect to you. Juubi, as you said accurately, just combines the Chakra of the Bijuu, like a container, but it doesn't use their properties. No Chakra release, no lava release, no sand control, etc. pp.

And please, don't start with the FRS bullshit. There was no smoke coming out of his body (which sounds already quite stupid). The smoke was created by simple friction. The same smoke surrounded the third Raikage's body, though the Rasenshuriken made no damage. The Rasenshuriken did nothing but shaving Kyuubi's chest hair.

Same is the case with the other side of the argument. No one is pretending or drawing images all by themselves. The Jubbi isn't a container, even the Mezo isn't, if one actually goes by the actual connotation for a container. Not sure how this is even an argument. Now you are going to call Juubi a container, when it was ripped apart to create 9 Bijuus? Splendid.

Wait so FRS caused friction, you admit it, but this isn't smoke? Glad to see you destroy your own argument.

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I won't even bother myself with the rest as now you are comparing an Edo body to something else, when the former is made out of ashes of a living sacrifice - flesh and bones. Not only that, Kurama looks haggard, and in the bottom image SLAM is used for its elbow touching the water. It couldn't even maintain a proper sitting position after getting hit with that.

Those simple images the author has drawn indeed.

 

[Strict]

You are so sluggish. Do I need to tell you how exactly the Bijuu were created? That the Rikudo Sennin split the Chakra into 9 pieces, created a physical form out of them and breathed life into them. The seven tails can fly, can Juubi fly too? The one tail can control sand, can the Juubi too? Can the Juubi use lava? Can the Juubi use ink like the Hachibi? No, it is just a container, it is the origin of the Bijuu, but the Bijuu are not just a part of Juubi's power, they were created with own properties by the Sage. Hence the Juubi's Jinchuriki can't use the Bijuus abilities while Naruto can (9 different Rasenshuriken variations, Rasengan with the sealing ability of the one tail), since he isn't the Juubi's host but the host of the 9 Bijuu. As the host of the Bijuu, he can use the unique abilities of the Bijuu which the Juubi doesn't have.

Wait so FRS caused friction, you admit it, but this isn't smoke? Glad to see you destroy your own argument.

You lose no opportunity to embarrass yourself. I said that the friction created the smoke on his body, the smoke didn't come out of his body like you said, which sounds like the Rasenshuriken made some serious damage.

I waste my time. If there is no insight in your next post, I simply won't reply anymore.

 

[shelke]

You are so sluggish. Do I need to tell you how exactly the Bijuu were created? That the Rikudo Sennin split the Chakra into 9 pieces, created a physical form out of them and breathed life into them. The seven tails can fly, can Juubi fly too? The one tail can control sand, can the Juubi too? Can the Juubi use lava? Can the Juubi use ink like the Hachibi? No, it is just a container, it is the origin of the Bijuu, but the Bijuu are not just a part of Juubi's power, they were created with own properties by the Sage. Hence the Juubi's Jinchuriki can't use the Bijuus abilities while Naruto can (9 different Rasenshuriken variations, Rasengan with the sealing ability of the one tail), since he isn't the Juubi's host but the host of the 9 Bijuu. As the host of the Bijuu, he can use the unique abilities of the Bijuu which the Juubi doesn't have.


You lose no opportunity to embarrass yourself. I said that the friction created the smoke on his body, the smoke didn't come out of his body like you said, which sounds like the Rasenshuriken made some serious damage.

I waste my time. If there is no insight in your next post, I simply won't reply anymore.

I don't recall the Juubi ever reaching its final form. I know how the Bijuu were created. It's you who seems to separate the two. The Juubi assimilates all the Chakra, the same Chakra the Sage used to create the forms. Your argument is getting more and more flimsy. In fact, it's Kaguya that is the actual Juubi. It has all the elemental Natures known to man within its system through the TSB we saw. She's capable of manipulating different dimensions through her own chakra - Both Kakashi and Sakura confirm it and by extension the manga.

Didn't we see Volcano (Magma) and Acidic ocean dimension? There are two Bijuus that represent that ability. Now you will just go south and create some other argument that would suit your need. The fact that you are even separating the thing that is a damned part of the Juubi and Kaguya itself says a lot about your one-dimensional argument.

Wait, what?

- Smoke rising from the Chimney.
- Smoke coming out of the Chimney.

What is this? Your tag-along yolo English talking?

What's the difference between the two? The smoke was rising from its body. From the damaged fur, to be precise. Don't throw cheap insults just because you are out of arguments - it looks pathetic. What properties? You have zero proof to back this up that all this doesn't translate into the Juubi. The Jubbi isn't a container, it's an assimilation of all the Bijuus and their chakra. Nice made up argument, then you are going around talking about sluggishness and embarrassment. Even if I say irony, it'll be too redundant this time.

Kurama was weakened by the FRS. Naruto outright states it after Kurama's couldn't get up from the hit: "He's weak! This is my chance." The Hachibi using ink and Kurama's roar ... separate arguments. Not to mention Kaguya's Rabbit Goddess form, whose abilities we never truly saw. Look at you making self-made embarrassing logic to get out of this, when we saw the same Bijuu chakra with the so-called different properties not only call out Kaguya's true form but it resonated perfectly with that chakra.

 

[Icelerate]

Bold is what will happen, underlined is a possibility if we are talking about standard Bijuu Dama, anything higher and it's the bold. If the shockwave had equal force then it'd cause the Bijuu Dama to explode, but considering it doesn't, the shockwave wouldn't do anything to it.

Agreed.

No, cause then he'd have to overpower the force of the Bijuu Dama if he wanted to pierce it. Just like my example notes. I can easily pierce a basketball with a knife, but if someone were to throw said basketball at me, I wouldn't be able to pierce it as easily if at all.

No, let's say that the force of the TBB is 2F while the force of the PS shockwave is F, then when they collide, the net force on each object will be 3F by Newton's third law because the force the TBB exerts on the shockwave will also exert on itself. The inverse holds as well so the shock wave may end up dissipating instead or both the TBB blow up and the shock wave dissipates. To illustrate my point, Sasuke's stationary sword pierced Madara (

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[Lord Tywin]

People are actually saying that PS slash is faster than TBB? lol