Full Kurama vs EMS Madara

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Kurama can use its power efficiently
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s2: EMS Sasuke replaces Madara


who would win?

 

[KidGamer65]

Kurama would beat them, comfortably. He'd stomp Sasuke though. Basically a slower BM Naruto, but with twice the firepower, and far greater physical stats, such as strength and durability.

 

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Kurama spams TBB gg Uchiha

 

[Izanamı.]

Kurama would beat them, comfortably. He'd stomp Sasuke though. Basically a slower BM Naruto, but with twice the firepower, and far greater physical stats, such as strength and durability.

but Kurama would still feel pain from PS slashes since it has flesh unlike his chakra avatar counterpart. Naruto harmed half Kurama with a FRS and a PS slash is much above that in power.

 

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The likes of SM Naruto were toying with Kurama effortlessly, only to have minor support from Bee and Kushina.

1. It still has terrible durability to cutting/piercing attacks, as it shown to suffer severe injuries from FRS. PS produces far higher force than that of FRS, which results to Kurama being reduced from immortality to mortality.

2. It's TBB was tanked by PS's blade without receiving damage. Therefore, multiple of them are tanked. If Kurama was to fire a massive TBB, PS simple dodges it by flying (according to the databook) or disturbing the charging by throwing blades.

3. PS is confirmed to have greater durability, advantageous attacks and better physical attributes.

So for scenario 1, Madara curb-stomps Kurama, whether full or half.

Scenario 2 - While EMS Sasuke doesn't have PS or fire-power, he does have Enton and Amatersu to constantly spam on Kurama until it's burned to death. So even Sasuke wins as well.

 

[Zee U]

Madara wins. His PS stalemated Senpou Mokujin, an entity that is superior to standard Mokujin that was, in turn, compared to full Kurama in physical strenght. Exploiting his height advantage it would outmuscle its opponent and with its kenjutsu prowess stab and slice Kurama. Bijuudama is out of contest considering PS can catch or repel smaller ones, or outright evade by flying. Bigger ones will not be fired while Kurama is being punched, kicked and slashed by something all around better than it.

 

[KidGamer65]

but Kurama would still feel pain from PS slashes since it has flesh unlike his chakra avatar counterpart. Naruto harmed half Kurama with a FRS and a PS slash is much above that in power.

He did harm to Half Kurama, who is nowhere near as large as Full Kurama, thus nowhere near as durable. Not to mention it was a direct hit. Blocking with tails means his main body takes zero damage, unless you think that PS Slash is stronger than the Juubi Laser which the Kurama Avatar canonically tanked.

 

[RicardoA]

They're pretty much even. It could go either way, high-diff.

 

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I don't see how either of the EMS users stand any chance at all. Their only hope is Genjutsu and that is restricted here. Repeated spam of Bijuudama's absolute destroy their Susano'os and obliterate them. If Kurama can somehow hold them off for enough time to charge up that massive Bijuudama he used in Naruto's sub-conscious, then they get obliterate with even more splatter.

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

I don't see how either of the EMS users stand any chance at all. Their only hope is Genjutsu and that is restricted here. Repeated spam of Bijuudama's absolute destroy their Susano'os and obliterate them. If Kurama can somehow hold them off for enough time to charge up that massive Bijuudama he used in Naruto's sub-conscious, then they get obliterate with even more splatter.

@bold Bijuudama can be blocked

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And if Kurama charged a full powered Bijuudama than Madara would slash Kurama's head of like the mountain....

Madara wins high diff, Sasuke will lose.... he couldnt achieve legged Susanoo in EMS form(in the future with training and experience with only his EMS he could of course)

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@bold Bijuudama can be blocked

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And if Kurama charged a full powered Bijuudama than Madara would slash Kurama's head of like the mountain....

Madara wins high diff, Sasuke will lose.... he couldnt achieve legged Susanoo in EMS form(in the future with training and experience with only his EMS he could of course)

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Nah man. 12 Bijuu dama's eradicate Madara's PS.

 

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Kurama would beat them, comfortably. He'd stomp Sasuke though. Basically a slower BM Naruto, but with twice the firepower, and far greater physical stats, such as strength and durability.

going to need proof he's better in every physical stats considering his feats are piss poor While Naruto Smacked 5 charged bijuus away with his hand tanked a juubi beam matched 5 others charged bijuu dama with a flash bijuu damas his stats shits all over a creator who was owned its hole life.

Nope Sasuke stomps him amaterasu is faster than a bijuu dama thus he gets roasted Bijuu damas are a non factor grabbed and tossed back or thrown of course with ps slashes.

Same for Madara Kurama is flesh in bone thus its gets torn apart unlike his chakra counter part which had its tails constantly cut and chakra face blown off but was alive also kurama is only 1/4 its original size rasenshuriken did heavy damage to it ps blades in shockwaves are much more then 1/4 rasenshurikens Kurama gets plastered.

He did harm to Half Kurama, who is nowhere near as large as Full Kurama, thus nowhere near as durable. Not to mention it was a direct hit. Blocking with tails means his main body takes zero damage, unless you think that PS Slash is stronger than the Juubi Laser which the Kurama Avatar canonically tanked.

Already explained the Rasenshuriken Kurama thing. Those tails gets chopped we've seen bijuu nigh pathetic without a host kurama and no exception the lack of feats its has really hurts your arguments. Perfect susanoo slashes are much above that beam it tanked iv debunked that argument plenty of times yet you act like you cant remember

Your making a big mistake everytime you mention the Kurama avatar because the juubi laser was piercing force

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as it was able to destroy the the tips of Kurama's tails. The Kurama avatar didnt tank a full powered Juubi laser you can see in that scan i posted that the juubi laser didnt explode it was focused like a beam similar to this

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thus it didnt have an explosion witch means it wasit at full power when Naruto blocked it so before you use The Kurama avatar tanked a mountain vaporizer argument you need to re look at the manga. The tailed beast bomb that juubi shot witch is noticeable for destroying mountains was actually the a Tailed beast blast like this

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also it was much larger shown you can see how the ground was grazed afterwards.

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the first tailed beast bomb Juubi shot hasit shown no feats compared to that one so no the Kurama avatar hasit shown that much durability

read carefully. Bijuu dama can be thrown back Perfect susanoo has 4 arms BD barage consist of 4 bijuu damas or shockwaves throwns them off balance while also dicing kurama in pieces. Amaterasu GG and even if he gets the 12 bijuu damas off amaterasu still lands making it a draw

 

[KidGamer65]

going to need proof he's better in every physical stats considering his feats are piss poor While Naruto Smacked 5 charged bijuus away with his hand tanked a juubi beam matched 5 others charged bijuu dama with a flash bijuu damas his stats shits all over a creator who was owned its hole life.

Kurama Avatar is 50% Kurama in full form. Nuff said.

Nope Sasuke stomps him amaterasu is faster than a bijuu dama thus he gets roasted Bijuu damas are a non factor grabbed and tossed back or thrown of course with ps slashes.

Amaterasu isn't going to do jack to him.

Same for Madara Kurama is flesh in bone thus its gets torn apart unlike his chakra counter part which had its tails constantly cut and chakra face blown off but was alive also kurama is only 1/4 its original size rasenshuriken did heavy damage to it ps blades in shockwaves are much more then 1/4 rasenshurikens Kurama gets plastered.

Already replied to the Rasen Shuriken argument.

Already explained the Rasenshuriken Kurama thing. Those tails gets chopped we've seen bijuu nigh pathetic without a host kurama and no exception the lack of feats its has really hurts your arguments. Perfect susanoo slashes are much above that beam it tanked iv debunked that argument plenty of times yet you act like you cant remember

No. I already replied to the Rasen Shuriken argument.

Proof the tails get chopped up? You keep mentioning other Bijuu, without giving me proof that BM Kurama is more durable than normal Kurama, when they are literally the same entity except one is made of chakra, and the other is made of flesh.

The only thing you've done is make crazy arguments. Mountain Cutting Blades are not on par with Mountain Range carving lasers. That's just common sense right there.

Your making a big mistake everytime you mention the Kurama avatar because the juubi laser was piercing force {1} as it was able to destroy the the tips of Kurama's tails. The Kurama avatar didnt tank a full powered Juubi laser you can see in that scan i posted that the juubi laser didnt explode it was focused like a beam similar to this {2} thus it didnt have an explosion witch means it wasit at full power when Naruto blocked it so before you use The Kurama avatar tanked a mountain vaporizer argument you need to re look at the manga. The tailed beast bomb that juubi shot witch is noticeable for destroying mountains was actually the a Tailed beast blast like this {3} also it was much larger shown you can see how the ground was grazed afterwards. {4}→{5} the first tailed beast bomb Juubi shot hasit shown no feats compared to that one so no the Kurama avatar hasit shown that much durability

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Sorry buddy. The laser is exactly the same.

read carefully. Bijuu dama can be thrown back Perfect susanoo has 4 arms BD barage consist of 4 bijuu damas or shockwaves throwns them off balance while also dicing kurama in pieces. Amaterasu GG and even if he gets the 12 bijuu damas off amaterasu still lands making it a draw

When PS can throw back a Flash Bijuu Dama from Kurama, or a super charged one like the one he used in Naruto's mind, then we can talk. Not to mention PS has 4 arms, but 2 of them are in use. Then there's the fact that it won't be able to catch 12 coming at it at one time. PS Shockwaves are tanked by Kurama's tails, especially Sasuke's since they aren't as strong as Madara's. Amaterasu is shrugged off with little effect to Kurama.

 

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He did harm to Half Kurama, who is nowhere near as large as Full Kurama, thus nowhere near as durable. Not to mention it was a direct hit. Blocking with tails means his main body takes zero damage, unless you think that PS Slash is stronger than the Juubi Laser which the Kurama Avatar canonically tanked.

that makes sense. it's just that Kurama in chakra avatar form has much better durability feats than regular Kurama and i find it iffy if Kurama in its original form can withstand those attacks w/o feeling pain since it has flesh

Perfect susanoo slashes are much above that beam it tanked iv debunked that argument plenty of times yet you act like you cant remember

one of the most stupid things i've heard all week

 

[KidGamer65]

that makes sense. it's just that Kurama in chakra avatar form has much better durability feats than regular Kurama and i find it iffy if Kurama in its original form can withstand those attacks w/o feeling pain since it has flesh

Kurama in flesh form has only one durability feat, and that's taking FRS with moderate damage, but that was a direct hit, he didn't block with his tails, but I agree that pain is a factor, definitely was with FRS, cause the damage appeared to be moderate, but he was still shaken up nontheless.

 

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Kurama Avatar is 50% Kurama in full form. Nuff said.

Not a good enough reply but as usual you just try to side step shit.

Amaterasu isn't going to do jack to him.

Urmmm because you said so? nope it does not work like that. Again not an accurate counter

Proof the tails get chopped up? You keep mentioning other Bijuu, without giving me proof that BM Kurama is more durable than normal Kurama, when they are literally the same entity except one is made of chakra, and the other is made of flesh.

Any proof? BM naruto has feats withstanding that juubi beam matching fused tbbs what feat does full kurama have? Being the same entity does not equate nothing especially when one is made out of chakra which is tougher than flesh.

The only thing you've done is make crazy arguments. Mountain Cutting Blades are not on par with Mountain Range carving lasers. That's just common sense right there.

Nope Perfect is mountain range cutter i dont think i need to post the scan furthermore that juubi dama was not the one you think it is i'll explain below

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Sorry buddy. The laser is exactly the same.

Once again you have no counter i countered this hard look how skinny this beam was from an upper view

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thats simpler to this look how the beam come over the top of pain just how it went over the avatar

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Thin ass laser and lets say it is the same this laser did not explode like the one that whipped out mountains so that durability feats is tanked

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notice how this one did explode yea.

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When PS can throw back a Flash Bijuu Dama from Kurama, or a super charged one like the one he used in Naruto's mind

Mokujin hand is no bigger than PS it gabbed and threw a bijuu dama back. However your talking about the one naruto used on Obito before the broke his mask Ps shockwaves destroy it before it gets close enough. The one Kurama Made in Naruto's mind should not even be discussed its gets eradicated trying to make a tbb that big.

Not to mention PS has 4 arms, but 2 of them are in use.

fair enough

Then there's the fact that it won't be able to catch 12 coming at it at one time.

does not matter Madara has shown he can throw susanoo blades just as fast as kurama can spit out 12 biju damas the flying ps blades intercept them

PS Shockwaves are tanked by Kurama's tails

Nope Kurama tails which are not made out of high dense chakra or has any good durability feats gets plastered

Amaterasu is shrugged off with little effect to Kurama.

How do you shrug of a sticky fire that does not burn out? also once its caught bijuu dama hopes are thrown out of the window we seen how killerbee reacted once he got touched Kurama goes up in flames untill you can provide a better reason then it wont work.

 

[KidGamer65]

Not a good enough reply but as usual you just try to side step shit.

That's literally all there is to it. The Kurama Avatar is canonically shown to be Kurama. Crying about me "side stepping shit" isn't going to save your argument.

Urmmm because you said so? nope it does not work like that. Again not an accurate counter

Nope, because people weaker than Kurama and less durable have shrugged it off. Because your only argument is it affecting Killer B, who is nowhere near as durable as Half Kurama let alone Full Kurama.

Any proof? BM naruto has feats withstanding that juubi beam matching fused tbbs what feat does full kurama have? Being the same entity does not equate nothing especially when one is made out of chakra which is tougher than flesh.

Now we're just pulling shit out of our asses huh? Chakra is tougher than flesh only when the chakra is actually tough enough. It being chakra isn't proof of anything. 50% Kurama is Naruto's Bijuu. Thus the Kurama Avatar IS Half Kurama and there's zero reason to believe otherwise. Weak ass arguments like "What feat does Full Kurama have?" when Full Kurama has no durability feat at all let alone one that'd make it less durable than the Avatar aren't cutting it here. That simple.

Nope Perfect is mountain range cutter i dont think i need to post the scan furthermore that juubi dama was not the one you think it is i'll explain below

Cutting 2 Mountains=/=Cutting a Mountain Range. Cutting 2 Mountains=/=Being stronger than something that plowed through a bunch of Mountains. A real Mountain Range.

Once again you have no counter i countered this hard look how skinny this beam was from an upper view

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thats simpler to this look how the beam come over the top of pain just how it went over the avatar

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Thin ass laser and lets say it is the same this laser did not explode like the one that whipped out mountains so that durability feats is tanked

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notice how this one did explode yea.

now this is thats =

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Weak arguments left and right.

1. It's zoomed out on that panel, hence it seeming so skinny. That's basic perspective.

2. Why don't we stop with the dishonest comparisons and actually compare the lasers when we have a similar or the exact perspective on them both.

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Same. Exact. Size.

Same. Exact. Laser.

Mokujin hand is no bigger than PS it gabbed and threw a bijuu dama back.However your talking about the one naruto used on Obito before the broke his mask Ps shockwaves destroy it before it gets close enough. The one Kurama Made in Naruto's mind should not even be discussed its gets eradicated trying to make a tbb that big.

Proof that PS shockwaves would cause it to explode? Oh wait, proof doesn't exist.

does not matter Madara has shown he can throw susanoo blades just as fast as kurama can spit out 12 biju damas the flying ps blades intercept them

Then Bijuu Dama plows through the blades and kills Madara.

Nope Kurama tails which are not made out of high dense chakra

Irrelevant as you've yet to prove that them not being made of chakra=them not being as durable.

or has any good durability feats gets plastered

Irrelevant. 50% Kurama=Kurama Avatar, and Kurama tanked it.

How do you shrug of a sticky fire that does not burn out? also once its caught bijuu dama hopes are thrown out of the window we seen how killerbee reacted once he got touched Kurama goes up in flames untill you can provide a better reason then it wont work.

When the pain doesn't affect you, that's pretty much shrugging something off. Kurama blocks with it's tails and wipes Sasuke off the face of the planet. His PS sword slashes are easily blocked, and his Susanoo is wrecked by 12 Bijuu Dama, or by a giant one.

 

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That's literally all there is to it. The Kurama Avatar is canonically shown to be Kurama. Crying about me "side stepping shit" isn't going to save your argument.

2 factors you dont count on Bijuu without host are fodder please dont let me post an example. Chakra > flesh in bone weather its tough chakra or not

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Naruto punch completely blocked by chakra even before the rotation

with no chakra present he busted Neji's whole face open

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not enough proof Oro sword could not even pierce a 4 tails shroud

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yet if that was Naruto flesh and bone he would have been chopped open we've seen Obito shuriken mangle the Gyuki tails yet we know it wont do jake shit against this form

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even chakra shrouds have shown durability against Juubi size katon + Kunai & Magatamas

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so kill that noise that chakra dont > flesh in bone when it comes to durability.

Nope, because people weaker than Kurama and less durable have shrugged it off. Because your only argument is it affecting Killer B, who is nowhere near as durable as Half Kurama let alone Full Kurama.

Im done just quit with these tedious arguments everyone who has countered amaterasu had a method

Speed,Shira Tensei,Absorbing,Clone feint,

Kurama has none of those so its gets roasted. Killerbee has insane durability he tanked his own bijuu dama that vaporize mountains yet when Amaterasu touched his skin he was screaming and losing his mind durability means shit when your getting burned to crisp please show me a scan of 100% Kurama's durability which is useless to amaterasu anyways but just show me.

Now we're just pulling shit out of our asses huh? Chakra is tougher than flesh only when the chakra is actually tough enough. It being chakra isn't proof of anything. 50% Kurama is Naruto's Bijuu. Thus the Kurama Avatar IS Half Kurama and there's zero reason to believe otherwise. Weak ass arguments like "What feat does Full Kurama have?" when Full Kurama has no durability feat at all let alone one that'd make it less durable than the Avatar aren't cutting it here. That simple.

Already shitted on this argument so take it back to the shop (Read the first post son)

Cutting 2 Mountains=/=Cutting a Mountain Range. Cutting 2 Mountains=/=Being stronger than something that plowed through a bunch of Mountains. A real Mountain Range.

This looks like more than 2 mountains

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Take note these mountains are much bigger than kurama and was done by with a single blade not both.

Weak arguments left and right.
1. It's zoomed out on that panel, hence it seeming so skinny. That's basic perspective.
2. Why don't we stop with the dishonest comparisons and actually compare the lasers when we have a similar or the exact perspective on them both.

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Same. Exact. Size.
Same. Exact. Laser.

Still did not explode in the scan Kurama was hit by it meaning no it did not tank the one that took out all those mountains try again the anime makes it much clearer aswell.

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theres a clear difference in power.

Proof that PS shockwaves would cause it to explode? Oh wait, proof doesn't exist.

Really dont have proof but there is scaling PS shockwaves destroyed multiple mountains from insane ranges clean cuts aswell bijuu dama's definitely goes off upon PS shockwaves and even if they dont they're thrown way off targer so there irrelevant.

Then Bijuu Dama plows through the blades and kills Madara.

Nope perfect susanoo blade was shown piercing a bijuu dama with ease

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meaning those bijuu damas gets chopped in half upon contact

Irrelevant as you've yet to prove that them not being made of chakra=them not being as durable.

Read above

Irrelevant. 50% Kurama=Kurama Avatar, and Kurama tanked it.

Chakra > Skin and bone Jinz > Jinless Bijuu trying to give bm kurama feats to 100% Kurama is not going to fly

When the pain doesn't affect you, that's pretty much shrugging something off.

except pain does effect kurama

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Kurama blocks with it's tails and wipes Sasuke off the face of the planet. His PS sword slashes are easily blocked, and his Susanoo is wrecked by 12 Bijuu Dama, or by a giant one.

Assuming Kurama can react to it and knows when Sasuke is going to use also Kurama is no gyuki he cannot wrap himself in a 360 around his tails and didnt we see how using your tails to block got gyuki?

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still burnt gyuki's chest area all up also if just does not touch kurama's main body he can spread it and the pain of its tailed being roasted is enough to throw his tbb focus off aswell.

 

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Use. Spoilers. Goddamn. Lol.

2 factors you dont count on Bijuu without host are fodder please dont let me post an example. Chakra > flesh in bone weather its tough chakra or not

Bijuu fodders without a host? Bijuu vs. Madara literally shits on this entire point. Kurama making a gargantuan Bijuu Dama equal or greater than anything BM Naruto has done in canon shits on this point.

The rest is an assertion you can't back up. I can use this shit logic and say that V2 Susanoo>3rd Raikage in durability, even though we know it's not. Same with Ribcage.

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Naruto punch completely blocked by chakra even before the rotation

with no chakra present he busted Neji's whole face open

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not enough proof Oro sword could not even pierce a 4 tails shroud

Not relevant to the argument as it doesn't even begin to prove that BM Kurama>Normal Kurama in durability.

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yet if that was Naruto flesh and bone he would have been chopped open we've seen Obito shuriken mangle the Gyuki tails yet we know it wont do jake shit against this form

Naruto being chopped up by Kusanagi as opposed to his V2 form=/=Kurama being weaker than it's chakra avatar self. You are using shit examples to try and prove your point. You are using examples where V2 can tank that because it's more durable, not because it's not flesh and bone. Gyuki's tails aren't strong, that's something we've known from the start. Will it cut it's real body? Nope. Zero proof from your side.

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even chakra shrouds have shown durability against Juubi size katon + Kunai & Magatamas

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so kill that noise that chakra dont > flesh in bone when it comes to durability.

chakra shrouds being able to tank Juubi Sized Katon=/=Kurama being less durable than BM Kurama.

I suggest we kill this whole argument of yours, cause it's based on nothing but god awful examples and terrible comparisons.

Im done just quit with these tedious arguments everyone who has countered amaterasu had a method

Speed,Shira Tensei,Absorbing,Clone feint,

Uh-huh. Not relevant.

Kurama has none of those so its gets roasted.

Roasted by a flame that's best feat is hurting Hachibi? Who is nowhere near as durable as Kurama?

Killerbee has insane durability he tanked his own bijuu dama that vaporize mountains yet when Amaterasu touched his skin he was screaming and losing his mind durability means shit when your getting burned to crisp please show me a scan of 100% Kurama's durability which is useless to amaterasu anyways but just show me.

Log out for the bold. If you are too durable, the flame won't do shit. That's why Amaterasu doesn't melt anything and everything it encounters.

Kurama's durability?

-Tanked Juubi Laser.

Nuff said. Inb4 this "BM Kurama>>>>>>Regular Kurama" BS that you can't prove. Lol.

This looks like more than 2 mountains

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Take note these mountains are much bigger than kurama and was done by with a single blade not both.

Because he swung it in a 360 degree fashion, not because he was strong enough to go through 6 Mountains. I've explained this shit to you how many times now buddy? Lol.

Still did not explode in the scan Kurama was hit by it meaning no it did not tank the one that took out all those mountains try again the anime makes it much clearer aswell.

Lasers don't explode, so I don't even know what you are going on about.

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theres a clear difference in power.

It's amazing how people will try so hard to literally invent things that don't exist. Seeing way too much of it as of late.

1. Those videos show the same thing.

2. Don't give a rat's ass about the anime. Manga shows that the lasers are EXACTLY THE SAME. This point was defeated the moment I proved that. There's nothing left to say on this point. You are wrong. Just admit it.

Really dont have proof but there is scaling PS shockwaves destroyed multiple mountains from insane ranges clean cuts aswell bijuu dama's definitely goes off upon PS shockwaves and even if they dont they're thrown way off targer so there irrelevant.

It's best feat is cutting multiple Mountains. Standard Bijuu Dama completely vaporize Mountains. Full Kurama's standard's are larger and more powerful due to the size difference. That doesn't even take large super sized bijuu dama into account. PS slashes aren't doing jack to them.

Nope perfect susanoo blade was shown piercing a bijuu dama with ease

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meaning those bijuu damas gets chopped in half upon contact

They pierced a Bijuu Dama not in motion. I can pierce a basketball with a knife. Guess that means I can pierce it with a knife if it were being thrown at me going 70 mph.

Lol. Bad logic is bad.

Chakra > Skin and bone

Baseless assertion.

Jinz > Jinless Bijuu

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except pain does effect kurama

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Never said it didn't. I was talking about Amaterasu.

Assuming Kurama can react to it and knows when Sasuke is going to use also Kurama is no gyuki he cannot wrap himself in a 360 around his tails and didnt we see how using your tails to block got gyuki?

Gyuki did it. Kurama is superior in every way. Do the math. As for the rest.

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You are wrong.

still burnt gyuki's chest area all up also if just does not touch kurama's main body he can spread it and the pain of its tailed being roasted is enough to throw his tbb focus off aswell.

Sasuke can't manually spread jack. It touched his chest area because he blocked with one tentacle.