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MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT OBITO
Lots of people started raging:
"Kishi ****ed up, there's no way in hell Kakashi could have defeated Obito!"
Some even take it further and use A>B>C logic to supposedly now prove that, for example Itachi>Obito.
The truth is, Obito didn't suddenly become weaker. That NEVER happens in manga with villains, they only grow more powerful.
So, here is the full explanation as to why Obito didn't grow weaker and why this week's chapter was NOT an asspull.
1. Kakashi got much more powerful throughout the series, even though he was actually strong at the start. Being defeated by him doesn't make Obito weak at all.
2. Obito didn't have Kamui in the alternate dimension
3. Just because Kakashi won against Obito doesn't mean Itachi or even Nagato, would.
4. Obito doesn't suck in taijutsu
MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT KAKASHI:
Some people, on the other hand, do the opposite and claim the fight was unfair and that Kakashi is still way below Obito in terms of strength.
1. The battle wasn't unfair.
2. Just because Obito was holding his ground against four opponents as once doesn't mean he is superior to Kakashi
3. That was the fight of all ninja abilities
To sum up:
-No, Obito can't be defeated by Itachi and possibly not even Nagato
-No, Obito didn't drop out of top 10 rankings
-Yes, Kakashi's place is in top 10 rankings
-No, the battle wasn't unfair
-No, Obito doesn't suck in taijutsu
-No, Obito's battle against Naruto, Bee, Guy and Kakashi doesn't prove he is superior to Kakashi
Lots of people started raging:
"Kishi ****ed up, there's no way in hell Kakashi could have defeated Obito!"
Some even take it further and use A>B>C logic to supposedly now prove that, for example Itachi>Obito.
The truth is, Obito didn't suddenly become weaker. That NEVER happens in manga with villains, they only grow more powerful.
So, here is the full explanation as to why Obito didn't grow weaker and why this week's chapter was NOT an asspull.1. Kakashi got much more powerful throughout the series, even though he was actually strong at the start. Being defeated by him doesn't make Obito weak at all.
He has been progressing through the whole manga.
1. At the beginning, his limit was 4 raikiri per day. That's how little chakra he had.
2. At the beginning, a not so long usage of base Sharingan would result in KO for a week.
3. Even at the beginning, he was still complimented by Itachi and was able to fight him evenly until he used MS.
4. At the beginning of part 2, he already could use his Sharingan while fighting for a whole night straight and was not even particularly tired (a huge progression from the beginning of the manga).
5. At the beginning of part 2 he could already use Kamui three times a day, but his aim was very poor and the jutsu itself was slow.
6. At every later usage of Kamui, his aim was perfect.
7. During his fight against Sasuke, Kamui was already either instantenous or close to that.
8. When we've finally seen Kakashi again in a prolonged fights (the war) he showed how much his chakra reserves improved: he could use Raikiri twice, probably other jutsu off-panel (the "rampage"), then another raikiri, a kage bunshin which halved his current chakra, raikiri again, a few other techniques and 6 kamuis, all of which had perfect timing and were already so fast that not even a Sharingan user who wanted to keep an eye on it was able to notice it. That was before Kakashi was given ANY chakra by Kurama.
1. At the beginning, his limit was 4 raikiri per day. That's how little chakra he had.
2. At the beginning, a not so long usage of base Sharingan would result in KO for a week.
3. Even at the beginning, he was still complimented by Itachi and was able to fight him evenly until he used MS.
4. At the beginning of part 2, he already could use his Sharingan while fighting for a whole night straight and was not even particularly tired (a huge progression from the beginning of the manga).
5. At the beginning of part 2 he could already use Kamui three times a day, but his aim was very poor and the jutsu itself was slow.
6. At every later usage of Kamui, his aim was perfect.
7. During his fight against Sasuke, Kamui was already either instantenous or close to that.
8. When we've finally seen Kakashi again in a prolonged fights (the war) he showed how much his chakra reserves improved: he could use Raikiri twice, probably other jutsu off-panel (the "rampage"), then another raikiri, a kage bunshin which halved his current chakra, raikiri again, a few other techniques and 6 kamuis, all of which had perfect timing and were already so fast that not even a Sharingan user who wanted to keep an eye on it was able to notice it. That was before Kakashi was given ANY chakra by Kurama.
2. Obito didn't have Kamui in the alternate dimension
That's what he has been relying on all this time. Kakashi, on the other hand, uses it as a supplement and not main power. Thus, when both of them were stripped from MS, Kakashi emerged victorious. In the real dimension, it's probably Obito who would win. This makes them equal: Kakashi wins in one dimension, Obito wins in the other one.
3. Just because Kakashi won against Obito doesn't mean Itachi or even Nagato, would.
A>B>C logic is the worst, but the most popular, fallacy. Kakashi is the only person who can counter Obito's kamui, thus, still almost nobody apart from Kakashi can defeat Obito.
4. Obito doesn't suck in taijutsu
He held his own against Naruto and Guy, thanks to Sharingan. Kakashi also has a Sharingan, so he could possibly hold his own against them as well (in taijutsu). Just because one Sharingan user defeated another with taijutsu doesn't mean that even a taijutsu expert without Sharingan could defeat him with it.
MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT KAKASHI:
Some people, on the other hand, do the opposite and claim the fight was unfair and that Kakashi is still way below Obito in terms of strength.
1. The battle wasn't unfair.
While Kakashi has his chakra restored, he has been fighting for two days straight while Obito started fresh against Naruto and Bee (later also Kakashi and Guy), who were all after multiple fights against Zetsu army, immortal Itachi, immortal Nagato, immortal kages, immortal swordsmen and many other immortal (and powerful) opponents.
2. Just because Obito was holding his ground against four opponents as once doesn't mean he is superior to Kakashi
As said earlier, all of them were already after many fights while Obito had full chakra. What's more, Obito did not fight alone, because he had
-Gedo Mazo - which soloed a whole division of ninja alliance
-2 full IMMORTAL bijuus - speaks for itself
-4 v2 IMMORTAL jinchuuriki - Orochimaru struggled against one mortal V2 jinchuuriki - also speaks for itself
-Gedo Mazo - which soloed a whole division of ninja alliance
-2 full IMMORTAL bijuus - speaks for itself
-4 v2 IMMORTAL jinchuuriki - Orochimaru struggled against one mortal V2 jinchuuriki - also speaks for itself
3. That was the fight of all ninja abilities
They both used genjutsu, which ended in a deadlock. They both used ninjutsu - Kakashi using Raikiri and raiton fused kunai and Obito using Sashiki and katon. They also both fought with taijutsu. The fact they resorted to everything they had (Obito was never shown using Rinnegan in any way apart from controlling paths, so he might as well not be proficient with it enough) shows the battle was even and legitimate.
To sum up:
-No, Obito can't be defeated by Itachi and possibly not even Nagato
-No, Obito didn't drop out of top 10 rankings
-Yes, Kakashi's place is in top 10 rankings
-No, the battle wasn't unfair
-No, Obito doesn't suck in taijutsu
-No, Obito's battle against Naruto, Bee, Guy and Kakashi doesn't prove he is superior to Kakashi
