[Discussion] Fujitora or Blackbeard

[chopstickchakra]

Who has the stronger gravitational fruit? We know fruits have advantages i.e. magma over fire and ice over snow. The question is, who has the better gravitational pull the Yami Yami or Issho's unnamed fruit? Can we even apply this one>the other logic in this case as one is a paramecia and the other a logia when all other examples are logia to logia?

 

[Sakazuki]

Weve got to understand blackbeards fruit better first to decide this

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Blackbeard’s fruit is Dark matter and a lot about it isn’t thoroughly explained but Issho is just gravity itself. So wouldn’t a devil fruit that focuses solely based on gravity should be superior in its field.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

I think Blackbeard's is stronger since it literally sucks things inside of itself(that's the best it gets since it's pretty much a black hole). But Fuji does have some edges here, everything has to be in contact with Blackbeard's darkness or be pulled to his vortex specifically & the buildings at that town sunk pretty slowly imo. This is where the two are incomparable, Fuji increases & decreases gravity in select locations and on select objects but with much more range & a questionable amount of force.

I think it's possible for Fuji to weaken the gravity of Blackbeard's darkness by focusing on it or circumventing things & people from going into by lightening them. If Blackbeard's darkness is an actual material/cloud rather than literal darkness, Fuji might also be able to keep it in place before it could spread or move it with the force of his gravity.

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The fact that Fuji can apply force to his gravity means Fuji may actually be able to separate the darkness from the ground or Blackbeard's body by weakening the gravity below it and then applying upwards force.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Apply force to gravity? Gravity is one of the four forces in the universe (for now). Him using Raging Tiger was just a curvature in space. Distortion.

 

[Light up the Darkness]

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of course BB by a mile

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Fujitora so called " Gravity power " didn't help him against Sabo or even Doffy ! ​

 

[chopstickchakra]

Blackbeard’s fruit is Dark matter and a lot about it isn’t thoroughly explained but Issho is just gravity itself. So wouldn’t a devil fruit that focuses solely based on gravity should be superior in its field.

You would think and it may be so but BB's gravity seems like it can do more. It also sucked in an entire town, now Issho's brung down giant meteors but has he shown his gravity affecting an area as wide as a town?

 

[chopstickchakra]

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of course BB by a mile

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Fujitora so called " Gravity power " didn't help him against Sabo or even Doffy ! ​

I'm not talking about which one would win in a fight but which one's fruit has the stronger intrinsic power in regards to their effect on gravity.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Apply force to gravity? Gravity is one of the four forces in the universe (for now). Him using Raging Tiger was just a curvature in space. Distortion.

That's what it seems to be to me. If it were just curvature, everything would bend smoothly but Fuji fractures some of his affected objects while others remain unharmed. Sabo is even forced back as if hit by force, rather than just stumbling towards the buildings as if pulled by gravity. Regardless if he's applying force or not, the force of his gravity is rougher than Blackbeard's own whether if it's because his curvature spikes or something else.

 

[Light up the Darkness]

I'm not talking about which one would win in a fight but which one's fruit has the stronger intrinsic power in regards to their effect on gravity.

and i was answering your direct question

and showed the destructive power of WB DF which is currently belongs to BB

so if Fujitora so called Gravity power didn't show superior gravity or even scratch Sabo or doffy

that's mean it has way way less power comparing to gura gura no mi devil fruit and its massive gravity pressure and destructive power

simple logic ​

 

[chopstickchakra]

and i was answering your direct question

and showed the destructive power of WB DF which is currently belongs to BB

so if Fujitora so called Gravity power didn't show superior gravity or even scratch Sabo or doffy

that's mean it has way way less power comparing to gura gura no mi devil fruit and its massive gravity pressure and destructive power

simple logic ​

The discussion wasn't about the GGnM it was about Teach's YYnM not sure why you're talking about the GGnM? Also I don't think the GGnM works on gravity the way you're saying though it is an interesting idea.

 

[chopstickchakra]

That's what it seems to be to me. If it were just curvature, everything would bend smoothly but Fuji fractures some of his affected objects while others remain unharmed. Sabo is even forced back as if hit by force, rather than just stumbling towards the buildings as if pulled by gravity. Regardless if he's applying force or not, the force of his gravity is rougher than Blackbeard's own whether if it's because his curvature spikes or something else.

When you say applying force is it the same as focusing more gravity in a particular area(be it top, side, bottom)? If so I get what you mean and agree.

 

[Light up the Darkness]

The discussion wasn't about the GGnM it was about Teach's YYnM not sure why you're talking about the GGnM? Also I don't think the GGnM works on gravity the way you're saying though it is an interesting idea.

my bad

ok the answer is Yami Yami fruit without a doubt and with ease

because BB has the ability to Grab any DF user strong gravity

plus he can absorb anything

while fujitora has normal gravity pressure that wasn't effective against sabo or luffy or doffy

and i'm talking about gravity here so don't jump in conclusion that i am talking about the character strength .. ​

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

You would think and it may be so but BB's gravity seems like it can do more. It also sucked in an entire town, now Issho's brung down giant meteors but has he shown his gravity affecting an area as wide as a town?

Pulling a meteor from outer space is a much more focused and stronger gravitational pull than the surrounding areas.
Blackbeard showed to be able to pull and hold in more mass just like dark matter is naturally suppose to do.

Depends on how you look at it. Issho’s Fruit powers are gravity, so he can manipulate better while dark matter theoretical contains gravity along with many other subatomic particles in the known universe. That’s why Darkness fruit powers draws everything in,
I didn’t know Oda thought this far ahead and it seems that both American and Japanese artist like to dabble a little in quantum physics. So just wait to see which Physicist’s theory he decides to use for Blackbeard’s fruit powers.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I gotta go with Fujitora's. BB's fruit can't remotely pull in things except for DF users, it has to touch things directly to pull them in. And it can only pull in and spit out what it's pulled in, while Fujitora's fruit is far more versatile in its applications to gravity.

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of course BB by a mile

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Fujitora so called " Gravity power " didn't help him against Sabo or even Doffy ! ​

He's asking about the Yami Yami no Mi vs Fujitora's DF...

 

[Edogawa]

Lol, Fujitora casually pulled meteorites from space and Dressrosa’s rubble. BB’s only feats are pulling humans from close range.

 

[Easyfathom]

I gotta go with Fujitora's. BB's fruit can't remotely pull in things except for DF users, it has to touch things directly to pull them in. And it can only pull in and spit out what it's pulled in, while Fujitora's fruit is far more versatile in its applications to gravity.

What makes you think it's only DF users that he can pull in?

And I am going for Blackbeards fruit. If his power is truly Black Hole shit, then doesn't that even eat up light? Like there is a limit to Issho's... For example, if he was to exert the absolute most amount of force onto someone, be it a pushing or a pull, they have the option to resist it (if they are strong enough of course). However, the Black Holes and Vortexs of Blackbeard don't allow that resistance. It has has pulled and sucked and so far no one has resisted its power.
Issho' has shown some pretty cool feats, but going by physics (whether a little real world or not), I gotta give it Blackbeard.

Should have thrown up a poll for this one Chopstick!

 

[Punk Hazard]

What makes you think it's only DF users that he can pull in?

And I am going for Blackbeards fruit. If his power is truly Black Hole shit, then doesn't that even eat up light? Like there is a limit to Issho's... For example, if he was to exert the absolute most amount of force onto someone, be it a pushing or a pull, they have the option to resist it (if they are strong enough of course). However, the Black Holes and Vortexs of Blackbeard don't allow that resistance. It has has pulled and sucked and so far no one has resisted its power.
Issho' has shown some pretty cool feats, but going by physics (whether a little real world or not), I gotta give it Blackbeard.

Should have thrown up a poll for this one Chopstick!

He never pulls in things from a distance that aren't DF users. He explicitly explains that it's the power to pull in DF users. Everything else has to touch the Darkness first before he can pull it in.

 

[chopstickchakra]

What makes you think it's only DF users that he can pull in?

And I am going for Blackbeards fruit. If his power is truly Black Hole shit, then doesn't that even eat up light? Like there is a limit to Issho's... For example, if he was to exert the absolute most amount of force onto someone, be it a pushing or a pull, they have the option to resist it (if they are strong enough of course). However, the Black Holes and Vortexs of Blackbeard don't allow that resistance. It has has pulled and sucked and so far no one has resisted its power.
Issho' has shown some pretty cool feats, but going by physics (whether a little real world or not), I gotta give it Blackbeard.

Should have thrown up a poll for this one Chopstick!

Gravity can bend light as well.

I meant to but hit submit too fast. Might do it again a little later after we see some more from one or both.

 

[Easyfathom]

He never pulls in things from a distance that aren't DF users. He explicitly explains that it's the power to pull in DF users. Everything else has to touch the Darkness first before he can pull it in.

Hmm... I'm going to have to disagree there for the time being. I don't understand why he would be able to suck in one thing, and not another using his ability.

But as for his darkness, like his Black Hole, we've seen it suck everything in. And until someone shows that it's resistable, I've got to give it the YamiYami no Mi.

Gravity can bend light as well.

I meant to but hit submit too fast. Might do it again a little later after we see some more from one or both.

Can you not do a new one with comments disabled?