FTG>>>>Mangekyuo users.

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Izuna had the mangekyuo, yet he died against the hirashingiri, translated as 'flying thunder god slash' of Tobirama.


Its kishis way of showing that s/t and ftg users like tobirama etc pwn mangekyuo users like izuna etc.

No genjutsu, no susanoo and no tsukuyomi could save izuna, there was no problem like 'oh he's gonna make eye contact with teh sharingan and git caught in genjutsu cuz tobirama is'nt even an uchiha blah blah blah..' Izuna just got speed blitzed, got pwned and died.

And tobirama did'nt even need a rasengan.:cool:

Get my drift?
 
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Izuna had the mangekyuo, yet he died against the hirashingiri, translated as 'flying thunder god slash' of Tobirama.


Its kishis way of showing that s/t and ftg users like tobirama etc pwn mangekyuo users like izuna etc.

No genjutsu, no susanoo and no tsukuyomi could save izuna, there was no problem like 'oh he's gonna make eye contact with teh sharingan and git caught in genjutsu cuz tobirama is'nt even an uchiha blah blah blah..' Izuna just got speed blitzed, got pwned and died.

And tobirama did'nt even need a rasengan.:cool:

Get my drift?

It's more about how boss Tobirama is than anything else.
 

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WHAT A TROLL! Let me tell you this:

MS power levels >>> Anything FTG have to offer

Plus Susano is instant and probably the ultimate defence, where FTG is just blitzing from one place to another.
Even Minato said after observing Tobi's moves: 'His S/T surprasses both mine and the 2nd' Hence, MS >>> FTG
 

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A lot of people believe only uchiha are impervious to genjutsu and that's obviously not true why because like the thread has said tobirama is a senju and he went up against an uchiha and won despite the fact that the uchiha had access to a powerful genjutsu and hashirama beat Madara twice despite Madara having access to a powerful genjutsu and minato beat Obito who too had powerful genjutsu and we knw this because we later found out Obito is the one who put the 4 th mizukage under a genjutsu and oro even was about to break out of Itachi's genjutsu but itachi realized that and cut off oro's hand so there are some people that are impervious to genjutsu as explained and Idk how they were negating genjutsu but they were but uchiha fanboys believe uchiha abilities are unbeatable so it is what it is
 

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Oh yes minato did say Obito s/t tech surpasses his but who fled that fight severely injured not minato and minato only said that because Obito can use it anytime while minato has to use kunai but minato despite Obito having the better tech still was untouched
 

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Well, Tobirama >= Itachi in my opinion, but Itachi >= Minato.

Obviously Madara and Sasuke are excluded, as they are both above Tobirama and Minato (although Sasuke is barely above Minato, and is even closer to Tobirama).
Tobirama has nothing but water and was sealed by Old Hiruzen

Oh he has Edo Tensei but who is he gonna summon? Fodder.



Edit: Itachi Stomps both without difficulty.
Can't escape Tsukuyomi.
 

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Users of both jutsu are often annoying and unpleasent, and I don't think you could assume that just because Tobirama killed Izuna using a S/t technique that all S/t users are superior to Mangekyuo users. We were shown a panel of their fight, and we don't even know if they were fighting each other.

Izuna could have been fighting another opponent when Tobirama jumped in (Unlikely, I know). The fight was defintly not a one-panel fight, it probably dragged on for quiet a bit. And if it turns out it was just a one panel fight, then it's obvious Izuna wasn't a skilled shinobi at all. . .

To be killed in one panel, I mean.
 

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U must not be well informed because if u were u wouldn't have said what u did about tobirama has nothing but water and was sealed by hiruzen and it has been verified that the edo hokages hashirama and tobirama weren't at full power then when oro summoned them so get your facts right
 
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