Frog Song vs Tsukuyomi

[Avinash012]

It is still Genjutsu and thus, the one who is unaffected by the Genjutsu could free you from the illusion. You could say that the partner gets caught as well, but a Jinchuriki would be able to free himself with his Bijuu helping him. Itachi's and Sasuke's body were also paralyzed and placed under the illusion, but they managed to free each other.

+ we found the weakness of sound Genjutsu's be Fuuton. In this sense, every something skilled Fuuton user could blow the sound away like Temari did; it isn't unavoidable. Uchiha are the only one who can break Tsukuyomi, but a confrontation of a Tsukuyomi user against an Uchiha will be far more rarity than a user of sound Genjutsu fighting a Fuuton user.

R u sayng that sound wil go away with wind....?

Do u think wind user's can avoid that sound..?

One should be faster than sound to do that...isn't it...?

 

[TrollingSage]

... What are you talking about? Why would he tell them both to clsoe their eyes unless they were both at risk of getting caught.

Something I like to call common sense. Imagine this scenario. A thief has broken into your house. He's pointed a gun at you. the gun only has one bullet. You have to 2 children. Will you tell only one of your children to take cover because he only has one bullet? Of course not. You dont want him to shoot any of your children. It's the same with Kakashi. He didnt want Itachi to cast tsukuyomi on either of them so he told both of them to close their eyes.

 

[Prince Charles]

R u sayng that sound wil go away with wind....?

No Strict is saying the fuuton will repell the wind back.

 

[Prince Charles]

Something I like to call common sense. Imagine this scenario. A thief has broken into your house. He's pointed a gun at you. the gun only has one bullet. You have to 2 children. Will you tell only one of your children to take cover because he only has one bullet? Of course not. You dont want him to shoot any of your children. It's the same with Kakashi. He didnt want Itachi to cast tsukuyomi on either of them so he told both of them to close their eyes.

Mere speculation on your apart. I can also be right as say itachi had the capability to put all 3 of them in a genjutsu when it was already shown that kakashi put more than 1 person under a genjutsu. Do not bring your common sense bull shit to me when you are not correct.

 

[Avinash012]

No Strict is saying the fuuton will repell the wind back.

So they can use Wind justu faster than speed of Sound...?

I dnt think usng wind wil completly repell sound...!

 

[TrollingSage]

]Mere speculation on your apart[/B]. I can also be right as say itachi had the capability to put all 3 of them in a genjutsu when it was already shown that kakashi put more than 1 person under a genjutsu. Do not bring your common sense bull shit to me when you are not correct.

Actually you're the one speculating. Kakashi telling them to close their eyes simply means he didnt want any of them to be caught. It's not solid evidence that tsukuyomi isn't limited to a single target.

 

[Prince Charles]

So they can use Wind justu faster than speed of Sound...?

I dnt think usng wind wil completly repell sound...!

Sigh.. your not getting it. The wind will push back the sound.

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Now do you understand? I will not disgrace you for your stupidity because were not perfect and in this thread I was also wrong on some parts of what I said.

 

[Avinash012]

Mere speculation on your apart. I can also be right as say itachi had the capability to put all 3 of them in a genjutsu when it was already shown that kakashi put more than 1 person under a genjutsu. Do not bring your common sense bull shit to me when you are not correct.

Ofcourse he can,it is stated more than one time that Itachi can cast gen on alot of ppl from a long distence...

but the case of Tsuki is dif from normal Sharingan Gen

When Itachi fought Kakashi for the first time Kakashi had no Idea abt Tsuki ,he is actually talkng abt normal 3 tom Gen...

Usng normal gen is like blinkng eye for Itachi and he had no side effects with normal gen

But usng Tsuki on multiple ppl isn't an easy task for that he need to make Eye contact with all of them at a time otherwise it is point less to use Tsuki while fightng multiple ppl ..due to Obvious reasons(side effects of MS)

 

[Prince Charles]

Actually you're the one speculating. Kakashi telling them to close their eyes simply means he didnt want any of them to be caught. It's not solid evidence that tsukuyomi isn't limited to a single target.

Im not speculating. Im using common sense and manga scans. why would tysukuyomi a higher level of jutsu than the genjutsu used by kakashi on those 2 anbu members not be capable of putting more than 1 person under its spell? You have your own view on what kakashi said and I have my own.

Not too mention when kakashi tells them to close their eyes if you go to the next page..

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Your left to decide what you want to infer from what kakashi said in this panel. I have my own views and manga panels to support my claims so stop relying on your bull shit accusations.

Btw..

IM FKEN TURNT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Penguin]

Perfect Jins and Uchiha can break Tsukuyomi. No one breaks Frog Song. It all depends really though. Frog song takes a while to use.

 

[Fodder#4]

The prep for Frog Song really makes it far too impractical to be used in combat, unless you're in a situation similar to Jiraiya's where you have an urban like city to hide in.

While one could simply not make eye contact with Itachi, for Tsukuyomi. You run the risk of being hit and being unable to properly counter or foresee a future move or jutsu he will unleash. That, and one mistaken glance at his eyes can end the game; if the victim's will is not powerful.

Tsukuyomi is easier to use, faster to cast, and could end a match up OR stall the enemy. While the Frog Song is better against multiple people.. Once more. Unless in the perfect situation to cast it, like Jiraiya was. The chances of two or more shinobi of the caliber to force Jiraiya to use the Frog Song are more likely to stop the genjutsu before it happens.

 

[Prince Charles]

Ofcourse he can,it is stated more than one time that Itachi can cast gen on alot of ppl from a long distence...

but the case of Tsuki is dif from normal Sharingan Gen

When Itachi fought Kakashi for the first time Kakashi had no Idea abt Tsuki ,he is actually talkng abt normal 3 tom Gen...

Usng normal gen is like blinkng eye for Itachi and he had no side effects with normal gen

But usng Tsuki on multiple ppl isn't an easy task for that he need to make Eye contact with all of them at a time otherwise it is point less to use Tsuki while fightng multiple ppl ..due to Obvious reasons(side effects of MS)

You say kakashi was talking about 3t gen and didnt know about tysukuyomi. But Itachi clearly breaks it down for him

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Anyway it hardly matters.

 

[Avinash012]

Sigh.. your not getting it. The wind will [/B]push back the sound.

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Now do you understand? I will not disgrace you for your stupidity because were not perfect and in this thread I was also wrong on some parts of what I said.

Nah I still dnt agree with u ,here we r talkng abt FG and Frequency of FG is very high compared to that fodder gen not even the fastest shinobi like Minato can react that faster.......!

I agree with wind repellng sound stuf,,,,,,,,,

 

[Booker]

Perfect Jins and Uchiha can break Tsukuyomi. No one breaks Frog Song. It all depends really though. Frog song takes a while to use.

Perfect jins cannot break Tsukuyomi.

By the time a Tailed Beast breaks their user out, they've already suffered the damage of Tsukuyomi.

 

[theacknowledgedone]

Nice response. However you pointed out a major weakness of frog song and only pointed out a minor weakness of tsukuyomi. You didn't mention that tsukuyomi can be easily avoided by sensors since ever since the war started almost every important character has become one.

Itachi could put people under a genjutsu even outside the sensor divison.

 

[Penguin]

Perfect jins cannot break Tsukuyomi.

By the time a Tailed Beast breaks their user out, they've already suffered the damage of Tsukuyomi.

False. While in the sub conscious of the beast, time does not pass as it does in the real world.

 

[Prince Charles]

Nah I still dnt agree with u ,here we r talkng abt FG and Frequency of FG is very high compared to that fodder gen not even the fastest shinobi like Minato can react that faster.......!

I agree with wind repellng sound stuf,,,,,,,,,

Sigh...... I tried. What do you think I was referring to?

 

[Avinash012]

You say kakashi was talking about 3t gen and didnt know about tysukuyomi. But Itachi clearly breaks it down for him

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Anyway it hardly matters.

What is ur point..?

Kakashi dnt even knw a thing abt MS back then.......!

He is clearly talkng abt 3 tom gen,that's y he thought that he can break Itachi's gen ....!

Itachi's words clearly indicates that Kakashi dnt knw abt Tsukuyomi

 

[Booker]

False. While in the sub conscious of the beast, time does not pass as it does in the real world.

How does this apply here? By the time a beast can break out its user, Tsukuyomi will have done its damage.

The only time we've seen a Perfect Jin break out of a Genjutsu was with Bee, and it took him at least 3 seconds to break out of it. By then, the user would have been in Tsukuyomi for at least a day, at least.

 

[Penguin]

How does this apply here? By the time a beast can break out its user, Tsukuyomi will have done its damage.

The only time we've seen a Perfect Jin break out of a Genjutsu was with Bee, and it took him at least 3 seconds to break out of it. By then, the user would have been in Tsukuyomi for at least a day, at least.

In his subconscious it seemed like 3 secs. It would be instantaneous imo.